He’s doing a pretty good job, especially with the media and leftists rooting against him.

From a subjective standpoint, Trump’s leadership has been appalling — downplaying the threat for weeks, labeling it “Democrats’ new hoax,” pretending that shutting down travel from China was all he needed to do to keep it away, deflecting blame by calling it the “Chinese virus“ or “Wuhan virus”

From an objective standpoint? Also appalling.

Numbers don’t lie

Facts don’t care about feelings

factcheckers have already debunked the "Trump was calling the virus a hoax" talking point, you need to move on to a new one. And you're right, the numbers don't lie. The american public approves of what Trump is doing in response to this pandemic. Facts don't care about your feelings.

Trump said coronavirus was “their new hoax.” I quoted him accurately. Nope, you don’t get to whitewash that one away.

As for the polls: I prefer to base my opinion on this subject upon real data rather than the shifting sands of what other people think.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/trump-and-the-new-hoax/
https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/03/02/fact-check-did-trump-call-coronavirus-a-hoax/

You can try to spin it all you want, the fact remains that you are flat out lying.

I have read those articles before. They say what I said about what Trump said, not what you are saying I said about what Trump said.

I never said Trump thought the coronavirus itself was a hoax. I’m saying he called it “their new hoax” — which he did. He was politicizing it.

From one of the very articles you cited: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/

Spin it all you want.

HE was politicizing it? lmao

"I never said Trump thought the coronavirus itself was a hoax. I’m saying he called it “their new hoax” — which he did. He was politicizing it."

FALSE. You clearly cannot read YOUR OWN WORDS...you wrote "Trump said coronavirus was “their new hoax.” You CLEARLY WROTE, that he was calling the virus a hoax. Do better little idiot.

You’re really gonna make me do this huh

You just never read the transcript, or being deliberately obtuse?

The only person being obtuse and dishonest is you.

First you claim Trump called the virus a hoax, then later back tracked saying "I never said Trump called the virus a hoax".

Now, here again you are claiming Trump called the virus a hoax, which he didn't. Nearly every news outlet (save for CNN) and fact checking has clearly stated Trump did not call the virus a hoax. He called the panic and outrage a hoax.

You can't have it both ways. You can't claim he called the virus a hoax, and that he didn't call the virus a hoax.

If you choose the position that Trump called the virus a hoax, you are incorrect.

Just read what I wrote. From the beginning I’ve been consistent in quoting Trump’s own words: he said it was “their new hoax” or “[Democrats’] new hoax.”

I waded through all this fact checking weeks ago when it was first a controversy.

The fact Trump was “merely” politicizing and downplaying coronavirus, rather than making the even more appalling claim that coronavirus is literally a made-up hoax, is not the get-out-of-jail-free card you guys seem to think it is.

"States, municipalities, businesses, schools, organizations, and everyone else issued stay-at-home orders in the absence of a presidential directive"

Once again we see the bias. You bemoan layoffs resulting from stay at home orders which came at the direction not of Trump but local government officials and somehow it is still Trump's fault, even though you would blame Trump for the layoffs had he issued the directive.

The duplicity here is disgusting.

Furthermore, the United States has a decentralized federal government, and it was by design. We have Governors of each state for the reason we didn't want one man deciding what is best for every resident in every state. The people who live in a given state know better what their state needs than some DC bureaucrat thousands of miles away. The decisions to stay home should come from the local Governments, with the federal Government providing aide and assistance where they can.

"Trump's words were ambiguous"

Perhaps, yet nearly everyone is agreement that he didn't refer to the virus as a hoax.

Please explain how nearly everyone agrees on this issue, but some how you are correct?

Next, Trump didn't fail to act. He closed travel from China. The Democrats bemoaned his action as racist and xenophobic, which supports the hoax comment from Trump.

There is nothing that could have prevented the virus from getting here. This is a fact.

The administration's measures have been quick and in line with the suggestions from medical experts. Hence it's ridiculous to highlight layoffs and blame Trump, when the layoffs are a result of stay at home orders not issued by Trump but local and state governments. The stock market sell off was also unpreventable, as the stock market reacts to global conditions.

It's clear you suffer from an incredible anti-trump bias. And even worse you attempt to hide your bias under a thin veil of faux intellectualism. And when pressed, you're routinely exposed as anything but rational.

States, municipalities, businesses, schools, organizations, and everyone else issued stay-at-home orders in the absence of a presidential directive.

That’s not the point in Trump’s favor that you seem to think it is.

Other countries have done a much better job managing and containing this. We could have, too. We’re America. We can lead the world when we try.

We all read what you said and you clearly said that trump downplayed the threat by saying it was a Democrat hoax. Here, I’ll quote you since you can’t seem to figure out what you said (and before you delete it).

“Trump’s leadership has been appalling — downplaying the threat for weeks, labeling it “Democrats’ new hoax,”

You can try backpedaling all you want but it doesn’t change your original comment.

On top of that, you claim that calling it the “Chinese virus“ or “Wuhan virus” was him deflecting blame. Blame for what? Are you suggesting Trump is somehow responsible for the virus? You ask if there’s a way to evaluate his performance objectively. Well you and them rest of the Trump haters are on the complete opposite end of the objective spectrum.

Lol @ every time someone thinks they “have me” and that I’m going to delete some previous comments.

I don’t delete comments. If someone catches me saying something wrong (rare but it happens), then I admit it and move on. It would not be intellectually honest to do otherwise.

Anyway. Trump used the phrase “their new hoax.” Just as it’s shown in the transcript excerpt I posted. Now: Is he talking about the coronavirus itself or merely “coronavirus panic”? It’s unclear.

However, read the quote in context, and it’s very clear what Trump was doing. He’s downplaying and politicizing the impending crisis at the very moment he should have been issuing warnings.

We have become so numb to Trump’s antics that we have forgotten what true presidential leadership looks like. It doesn’t look like this. For comparison, it looks like the resolve Bush showed on 9/11.

Here our country is now only 4 weeks after Trump gave the speech above: basically shutting down, everyone’s confined, millions are out of work, thousands are dying, with no end in sight, and yet somehow none of it is Trump’s fault and our expectations keep falling further and further.

You need to learn to stop. You continue and it opens you up to more criticism.

Let's take a look.

"All that is why I condemn Trump for calling it “their new hoax.”

Not a hoax. “Their new hoax.”"

This is semantics galore. You are trying to say there is a difference between saying the virus is a hoax and "their now hoax". There is no difference. In either form, you are claiming Trump called the virus a hoax. He didnt. And you know it. Everyone knows it. And everyone knows what he was calling a hoax. It was the panic and outrage being spun up by the Democrats and their media.

Trump’s words were ambiguous. Even if I accept your supposedly exonerating interpretation, it’s a big ol’ distinction without a difference.

Was the “Democrat” and “media” panic and outrage justified or not?

Well? A mere 4 weeks later: how is this speech comparing coronavirus “panic” to other controversies looking in retrospect?

—We now have the highest number of confirmed cases in the world.
—We still don’t have tests for everyone who wants or needs them.
—Millions have been laid off.
—The stock market fell off a cliff.
—Nobody can say when things will return to normal. Trump says by Easter. That is increasingly looking to be logistically impossible.

Trump’s failure to act early to contain the virus and ramp up test kits the way it’s been done effectively in other countries like Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan will cost our country millions of jobs and trillions of dollars.

We’re already deep into a recession that could have been avoided. Because Trump chose to play the short-term blame game rather than be frank with the country about what was coming, warn people, and take action.

Your ability to make excuses for Trump truly knows no bounds.

Okay, so now you are once again claiming Trump called the virus a hoax. Note, this in contrast to your post here "I never said Trump thought the coronavirus itself was a hoax."

So you are flip flopping.

Moving on, please explain why nearly everyone who has read the transcript disagrees with your assessment.

No, I’m not saying that, but let’s move on.

My own analysis of Trump’s speech is original and not influenced by any media accounts. But it’s blindingly obvious when you read what he actually said in context.

As late as Feb. 28, when he gave this speech, Trump considered coronavirus just one more item in a checklist of grievances he had against Democrats and/or the media. Comparable to Russiagate, Ukrainegate, or any other controversy he’s ever gotten himself embroiled in.

Whatever you think about Russiagate and Ukrainegate (and I don’t expect us to agree on those things), coronavirus is not remotely comparable. It is a global pandemic infecting thousands or tens of thousands of new people per day, and no one knows when or where it will stop. The virus recognizes no political affiliations or national borders. And it kills.

All that is why I condemn Trump for calling it “their new hoax.”

Not a hoax. “Their new hoax.”

You continue to spread verified falsities...Trump did not label the VIRUS a hoax...he said the media panic was a hoax.

" pretending that shutting down travel from China was all he needed to do to keep it away, deflecting blame by calling it the “Chinese virus“ or “Wuhan virus”"

NO. He stopped travel from CHINA because CHINA is where THE DISEASE OUTBREAK BEGAN. It was prudent, and smart. As nearly every other country would then close their borders to high risk countries as well.

Fact: The meme is correct, that a majority of Americans approve of his handling of the outbreak.

What Facts Don't Care About: KylieFan's obsessive illogical rants that change day to day

Trump said it was “their new hoax.” Was he talking about Democrats? The media? I dunno, I think Democrats myself, but it’s unclear — and it’s all the same to you guys anyway, right?

My point being Trump was downplaying at politicizing the impending crisis at the very moment we should have been doing everything to prepare for it.

Presidents usually become more popular in crises. By historical standards, Trump’s surge is small. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/think/amp/ncna1170606

Objectively and subjectively, his leadership has been terrible. Thankfully Congress worked together in a bipartisan way to pass some huge economic relief bills, which in many ways has been the big missed political story.

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"Trump said it was “their new hoax.” Was he talking about Democrats? The media? I dunno, I think Democrats myself, but it’s unclear — and it’s all the same to you guys anyway, right?"

The only person who it seems to be unclear to is you. Again, explain why he was calling the virus a hoax when nearly every news agency (which are largely anti-trump) and fact checking site disagrees with you.

"Presidents usually become more popular in crises. By historical standards, Trump’s surge is small."

Do you have evidence of this? You make the claim that President's usually become more popular in crises but provide no such citation or polls to back it up. Further, Trumps approval is now higher than at any other point.

You simply cannot face the fact that most americans approve of his handling of the outbreak.

I can handle it, but I don’t have to agree.

I prefer to base my assessment for Trump’s performance on objective measures rather than the shifting sands of what other people think.

What’s one objective measure? Confirmed cases. It doesn’t tell the whole picture, because the disease spreads faster than we can track it, but this is as good an indication as any that we’re “leading the world” on this issue and not in a good way.

Figures current as of March 29.

"I prefer to base my assessment for Trump’s performance on objective measures rather than the shifting sands of what other people think"

Really? Because you just posted an article attempting to explain away the increase in Trump's job approval. If you don't care about public approval why would you research it? Hmmm...I think you do care, but you realized the argument is a losing one. You obviously cared enough about it comment on a meme that is dedicated to the topic.

Secondly, your chosen "objective measure" isn't really objective for a number of reasons. One you listed, we don't know the actual number. Also, we can't trust any number coming from China so comparing our number of cases to them is nonsensical. But what about Italy or Spain? Well that also lacks objectivity. Why? Because we have 5x the number of people than Italy, and nearly 7x the number of Spain. To make the measure objective, you would need to compare cases on a percentage of population or a per capita basis

Notice how you conveniently cut off the other columns that don’t jive with your “blame Trump” agenda. Take a look at the Tot Cases/1M pop and Deaths/1M pop columns and you’ll see that the USA rate is far below other countries.

But I’m sure that was just an over-site in your “objective” opinion.

Trump admitted yesterday that if American deaths stayed under 100,000, then we'd be doing a "great job."

Reminder that 4 weeks ago he was saying the panic over this was a Democrat/media hoax to bring him down.

Meanwhile Dr. Fauci gave a range of 100,000-200,000 deaths.

The deaths will catch up with the infection rates.

Remember that 4 weeks ago - and before, and since then - Democrats/media were/are trying to bring him down.

If deaths stayed under 100,000 we really would be doing a great job. What’s your point?

Also, how do you explain your chart where you ignored the per capita data? I’ll wait.

Obama's job approval dropped during the swine flu outbreak. The outbreak ran from 2009 to 2010. During that time his job approval show a steady decrease.

Apolgies...I didn't see you link

https://imgflip.com/i/3u7ryx

Begone, paid troll.

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The only country to do widespread testing, South Korea is sitting at 0.016% death rate. As more testing gets done the numbers will go down to that rate, which is about the rate of the flu every year.

Has someone hacked this account?