Hahaha, you need to post this one. Even in Politics2.
I had a glance on your last posted memes but didn't go past 1st page. So if its up give me a link so to upvote.

Okay, JUST FOR 'SHIGGLES' let's pretend that this virus isn't any worse than the flu -- that is, the CURRENT illness and death rates are no worse... Thus, in turn, much of the response could certainly be considered to be overblown... If so, why?... Could it be there is more going on than what is being publicly made known?... Was the virus engineered in some way, and/or was it 'festered' deliberately to be 'released' around the Globe, or in specific locations?... Could there be suspicion that some elements of the virus' effects are longterm or insidious?... Or, are the responses mainly based upon political motives?... I think, unfortunately, we would only know, after a long period of time passes -- if ever... In ANY case, conspiracy theorists are going to have a field day -- I think we can all agree.

I'm not saying 'anything'...

But how many people would abide this infringement of their Constitutional Rights (period, let alone to this level) if these actions were taken in the name of any other reason than "Please don't kill Grandma."?

Please don't stop going to the counseling sessions... You were starting to show some progress...

He was saying that because some corrupt courts locked up some people loosely associated with Trump that Trump is evil. How could you not read that in all the pixelated words?

Dumpy knew about all of this in January.
But sure, not calling it the Chinese virus, killed people. Or, maybe it was because someone called it a Democratic hoax?

Oh I see, yet another one. I'm surprised you've taken time away from reading the Mueller report.

In January, Trump blocked travel from China, and was instantly trashed by Corruptocrats and their 'Media', for a 'racist' and 'xenophobic' act.

The virus was NOT called a hoax; what was called a hoax was the 'Media' hype, the purposeful misrepresentation, the spreading of panic -- and particularly its use as a political attack.

PLUS, they all called the virus 'Chinese', or 'Wuhan', or 'from China' for weeks -- until they seemingly got their instructions from the communist Chinese govt.

THEN -- in the MIDDLE of such a serious crisis -- they still found the time to go into online histories, to try to rename the Spanish Flu of 1918.

as long as we can all agree that in two weeks, no more social distancing? Cases going down not up- still?

I don't think the population will abide by shutdowns for long (if they even are now)... And businesses will file lawsuits, and make motions to 'show cause' for the governors' and mayors' actions to continue... There is an argument about it not being Constitutional for extended periods.... It's starting to appear that the mortality from this coronavirus is not nearly as high as the 'Media' has been panicking people about; they are very careful to avoid talking about the number of persons who have it, and have mild to possibly no symptoms; this is aided by the fact that testing is not being done (in most cases) unless a person has gone to a hospital with significant symptoms.

lol. It's not constitutional at all. Read the constitution, pay close attention to the 1st, 5th, 9th, and 10th amendments. https://constitutionus.com/

You left off the second, fourth, fifth, seventh, and eighth. About the only thing the liberal politicians aren’t doing (yet) is quartering troops in our homes.

https://i.imgflip.com/3u4v71.jpg

Not Liberals, Trump is getting ready to declare martial law folks. Isn't this what you all have been stockpiling yer guns fer?

Fake news.
Try to keep up.

Yes, I was being generous. This is not a wartime scenario where state/local govts have collapsed... The longer it goes on, the more Unconstitutional it will get... However, it is the seemingly inordinate response that makes me wonder sometimes if this is not a biowarfare attack. If it were, we would likely NOT be told about it, to avoid panic (you think it's hard to find toilet paper now!). Well I guess we shouldn't speculate, and I'm not pushing CTs... But Trump is not the one who's been pushing most of these power-grabs; that seems to have been governors and mayors in so-called 'liberal' areas. In that case, it would appear to be, in large part, political-plays (would they have done the same if Obama was in office?).

you failed to mention that there are still not enough test kits, so the number is unknown. People are dying more in the US now than other countries. Id rather be safe, and not kill grandma, i guess that makes me a softie?

**** NO, NO, NO, there are LESS PEOPLE DYING IN THE U.S. COMPARED TO OTHER COUNTRIES -- the death rate is way lower... Plus the demographic factor of those who are dying points to persons who are very weakened by having other illnesses -- it is not significantly affecting healthy, young persons... This is TYPICAL for influenza, and even 'very bad' colds... You are correct about the relative lack of testing; people are not being tested (in general) unless they develop symptoms -- SO, this directly implies that people who DO have the virus (i.e., who would test positive) BUT don't get sick from it (or sick enough to go to a hospital) are NOT being counted... Stated differently, there could be 100's of thousands of people who have the virus -- and as such the death rate is FAR lower than the MSNBCNN panic-masters want you to believe...
**** MSNBCNN-WaPoNYT also LIKES that not everyone is being tested, because they can fudge numbers easier, and facilitate the panic.
** Btw, I'm a PharmD RPh, so I do know a bit about biostatistics, and epidemiology... You CANNOT have sero-specific tests sitting on shelves, for a disease that didn't previously exist; coronaviruses have existed for decades, so any non-sero-specific coronavirus test might not be accurate... Therefore the lack of tests -- initially -- makes sense... it's also not common practice to test the entire country for every disease that's out there.
The 'Media' is, yet again, playing on the ignorance of the Public -- and exploiting it for their own political purposes.

Lets not forget that the death rate of the coronavirus is 3.4%, whereas the flu is around 0.1%. Less people dying in the US is probably due to the fact that the US has access to better medical things than other places, but if the healthcare system fails the death rate might increase.

That's not likely the real death rate. If 100's of thousands to millions of untested persons have the virus -- but never know, because they have not been tested (and especially if they never have symptoms and/or fully/quickly recover -- after all, the common cold is still around) -- then the actual death rate would be a far lower fraction of that... A person can't logically complain that there's not enough testing and not being able to know how many people have it, but then pretend there's anywhere near an accurate death rate -- without being able to know how many people have it!... And, lets not forget, SOME people seem to WANT the death rate to be high; BUT, if you want to be an MSNBCNN, then it's par for the ratings and political course, to juxtapose two numbers: First, the 'number of cases' which is really the LIMITED number of KNOWN cases; And second, the relatively actual number of deaths which are attributed to COVID-19... THAT's how their 'news' starts; they announce the 'number of cases', then immediately follow that with the 'number of deaths', to imply (like slick used car salesmen) that the 'number of cases' will soon be added to the 'number of deaths'... BUT, there is another problem with this statistical slight-of-hand; the persons being tested are likely highly symptomatic and in high-risk groups. That does NOT represent the general population, and thus cannot be used to calculate an accurate death rate.

So is the lack of testing an effort to keep the numbers purposely ambiguous giving Trump a way out when it comes to taking responsibility for his lackluster response? I mean seriously, it feels like you're still pushing the liberal hoax scenario.

The media isn't inventing numbers. There are numbers from around the globe. This mad speculation can go both ways, you know. What if it's not bioterror but Trump thinning the herd at Putin's direction? Purposely acting slow to respond in order to maximize the number of deaths of peasants? There's already a vaccine and Trump and all important people have taken it, that's why he's trying to shake everyone's hand and going on TV saying ridiculous shit like the flu kills more people?

We don't have all the numbers like you said to be able to make such an assumption that the flu kills more people. Still trying to push that crap is irresponsible AT BEST.

Lackluster response? Maybe you live on planet MSNBCNN, or are still reading the Mueller Report novel. This has nothing to do with a 'way out'; that doesn't even make sense (and do you really think the 'Media' will EVER give Trump a 'way out' on anything? -- that's laughable).
** As for the statistics, it's fairly simple (and it's not 'mad speculation'): the confounding principle in-play is called 'sampling bias'. Whatever the reason for the testing protocol (lack of tests; priority of testing; etc.), most of the people being tested are those who have ALREADY presented with symptoms, or have become outright very ill from coronavirus. However, people who would otherwise test positive, but are never tested (because they don't get sick, or only very mildly), cannot be counted into the total 'number of cases'. This is the 'sampling bias' and it heavily skews-up any calculated 'death rate', if one only uses that inconclusive 'number of cases'.... Now, if you want to come up with a number that could be considered more actual, you could take the number of deaths attributed to coronavirus, and divide that by the number of persons living in the U.S.... YES, that would not be the same as if using only the actual number of real cases (which is currently unknown), and would skew-down the death rate -- however in terms of the total population (as defined), it would be correct (because we can be more sure about the total population number).

KC, PharmD RPh (Doctor of Pharmacy, Registered Pharmacist)

Could this get worse, or a lot worse? Yes, it's possible. But it could also get a lot better.
It does appear that there are many people almost hoping that it gets worse...

OH, the rest of what you wrote is rather outlandish. It's funny how you hypothesize extremely ridiculous stuff like 'Trump thinning the herd at Putin's direction', etc. (sheesh, the DNC/'Media' must be laughing up their sleeves at how they've been able to push this tripe).
Well, if all that were possible, then WHY couldn't the 'Media' be at least manipulating some numbers? They don't even have to 'invent' numbers to manipulate them.
As for numbers 'around the globe', I would be leery about trusting Communist China Govt. numbers.

Book recommendation (a quick read): "How To Lie With Statistics" https://www.amazon.com/How-Lie-Statistics-Darrell-Huff/dp/0393310728

Media, businesses, and politicians have used the clever, but simple principals written in this book for hundreds of years.

You can probably get a relatively accurate account from South Korea where they have thoroughly tested the full population. Looking on the internet it is apparently at ‭0.016%.

So I guess you're not self-quarantining then? Not wearing masks or gloves? Going covid-19 commando? Since Trump says it's okay? Oh wait, HE pushed back the Easter timeline, didn't he? Is that just fake news media hype or did he really?

Your "statistics" include a lot of imaginary numbers and supposition that skews to fit your argument. But the other countries aren't the only ones lying about numbers are they?

Trump lied to you for weeks. But you're still trying to find ways to believe him. It would be sad if it wasn't so scary.

That number seems to be on the high end of the reported range. Even so, that would mean that there is a 96.6% survival rate, wouldn't it?

If you were to divide the current number of COVID-19 attributed deaths by the population of the U.S., you would get the statistic: the percentage of Americans who've died of COVID-19... Assuming the population is 330 million, and as of March 30th 2020, the number of COVID-19 deaths is 2600: 2,600/330,000,000 gives 0.0000079 (check my math); Therefore 0.00079 percent of the U.S. population has died of COVID-19 (again, check my math)

THAT WE KNOW OF. How many people died of corona before we started testing and they just called it pneumonia or the flu?

yes........

Why don't we just quarantine those over 70? No one else needs to be quarantined.

There's a difference between "taking it seriously" and panicking. The preppers have been warning us about cities and pandemics for years, guess they finally got one right. Getting the disease is not a death sentence, and as luftweg pointed out there is almost no discussion about the numbers of those who survive it. If the flu were tracked the way covid has been, would we see a similar panic?

YES! Btw, the word 'prepper' has become a pejorative term; it's been twisted to mean some 'redneck' (another pejorative term) who's hoading gasoline, jerky, and bullets in a root-cellar... But it's really preparedness, if done properly -- and has been recommended to citizens for many decades.... If anything, this COVID-19 (Wuhan Coronavirus) event, in the very least should become a wakeup call for something really serious in the future -- and maybe, in part, that's what it is being used as.

In terms of not shutting down the Country, it makes sense to 'isolate' only those at risk of serious consequences to COVID-19.... The argument that would be (or is being) made for limiting exposure to everyone, is that it could be spread among those who would largely be unaffected -- but yet then be able to subsequently infect those who are vulnerable... This neglects the serious damage to the Country that would result from closing-up everything for extended periods (social, psychological, and even physical health unrelated to the coronavirus, as well as economic and possibly national security issues)

"you failed to mention that there are still not enough test kits, so the number is unknown. People are dying more in the US now than other countries."

What? Do you have citation for the claim we have more deaths than other countries?

First, you are correct we don't know how many cases there are in the USA. And that means the number of cases is likely much higher than the official number (this is true for most countries dealing with the outbreak). However, because there are MORE cases than we know about, that means the death rate is lower than reported.

Second, the United States has more than 5x the number of people in Italy, and 7x that of Spain. So the fact we have more nominal cases than both countries is not surprising. You need to look at cases on a percent of population or a per capita basis to get an accurate comparison.

Third, we don't know when the Coronavirus arrived. It could have been before January. We don't know. We weren't testing for the disease.

IF it first showed up in China in early to mid-November, like they're speculating, then it would've easily jumped over to the US within days.

I, personally, had a flu so bad in December that went on for weeks: highish fever, difficulty breathing, but also a bad head cold and low energy. A lot of people I know had it, too. I remember fearing for the elderly catching it because it was so bad. I told people I've never been that sick in my entire life. It first hit me in early December and I mostly got over it but didn't fully recover until FEBRUARY.

I live in an area with a high rate of SOB and ABC Chinese. It stands to reason that the coronavirus has been spreading here since late last year and many of us have had it already. At least that's what I'm hoping.

I remember people getting very sick in Dec/Jan as well. And I believe its possible the disease has been here since as early as that time or even earlier.

I believe the reports that it was well established in China by early November. At that time they new they had a problem which they should have alerted other countries and experts in the field.
To further add to this I had been reading reports of major outbreaks of earlier strains
(SARS 1 and SWINE) elsewhere in China since late June early July. At that time they were talking in one case of 300 000 people quarantined in an area but they were not saying it was new Corona as they probably hadn't tested it properly but assumed it was the old variety.

Hey, Just a link to an org which is tracking from samples the paths of Covid 19 into the world. It doesn't begin of course from your illness point but if i recall it does show early the China to USA path. I'm sure it has something for you anyway.

https://nextstrain.org/ncov

link works

Interesting. Thanks!

No probs, I think it's a good one too share.

Possibly in December. Putin and him had some mystery phone call just days before China broke the news.

*and one Republican.