The good news is, all the pro choice people can block me now. The bad news is You will never silence me on the evil of abortion

you're deliberately making it sound worse than it is. i son't like abortion, and i discourage it, but comparing someone who has an abortion or performs abortions to a murderer is an appeal to shallow emotions, and is close to calling a conservative "hitler"

No comparisons, just stating numbers. I could have said number of children killed in abortion was more than a number of people who drowned the past 50 years.

Kate I have a question.
What if a woman is raped and she is impregnated?
I mean abortion is still murder but what if that happened?

While cases of rape are terrible, the child should not suffer for the sins of the father. Also, rape and incest combined account only for 0.5% of abortions

Yeesh.
Well thanks for answering my question.

Yeah you cator to less than 1% of the cases to excuse murder for convenience of the 99%. Gonna call Trump so that he can award you a medal. Hold your breath while I am on it.

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An answer to your question, one bad does not deserves another bad. In this case you are saying pay rape with the murder of an innocent does not make it right. I think what will solve the rape problem is stricter punishment to rapist. For example castrate rapist whole serving in prison enduring hard labor to pay for the care of the kid until they turn 18. To me that sounds right.

That's also a good idea.
Anybody who ruins another person's life to get their desires quenched must be punished. Severely.

First point, Why are we not mentioning the fact that the abortion rate is lower than at any time in history since RvW?

Second, where is the 61.6 number coming from? That seems a bit high from the sources I'm seeing.

Third, if we can't acknowledge women the right to abort rape, the conversation is pretty much over.

Murder is never right.

Semantics.

One believes life begins at conception
The other believes life begins at birth

If you honestly believed life was so precious you would live realizing each and every egg is special. Each and every sperm is special. They are both alive and both capable of becoming human beings through the choices made and therefore must be protected.

You believe in limiting life just as much as anyone else through any number of life limiting choices you feel are perfectly okay. Just because you use the word, "conception" as protection to justify your own actions that are nevertheless limiting life and stopping the creation of life.

"SPatoine

Egg-xactly!
How convenient for you to have the word conception. What on earth would you do without it? You'd be guilty of killing so many babies with all those condoms, pills, pulling out, watching the cycle of the month, the list is endless.

It's all the same thing without the word conception."

Egg-cellent point, and one I was hoping to get to.

As if the Good Book made a distinction between zygotes and gametes.
I might have missed the verse about only fertilized ovum lives matters, but last I checked, it most definitely distinctly and wholeheartedly condemns the act of a man "spilling his seed on the ground," which would thus include but not necessarily be exclusive to your list of condoms, pills, pulling out, watching the cycle of the month, as well as masturbation, utilizing other orifices and body parts, and if none of the above are done, nocturnal emissions will occur which is also a violation of the admonishment. Basic damned do/don't.

So for all these devout fundamentalists, the solution is simple: males should all get married before they have their first wet dream and then engage in coitus solely for the purpose of reproducing. There's a few sperm cells in preseminal fluid, so foreplay and even kissing are out. As for the rest of the millions of sperm who lost the race to the egg, I reckon he'll have to settle for corrective lenses to compensate for his ever-faltering sight.

Saving lives (and eyes) can be so trying, but the rewards await.

Egg-xtremely spot on.

My folks and near everyone I grew up with grew up with had like 7 siblings or more.
I don't see Bible Belt Walmart selfies with 8 kids hanging on mommy's shopping cart, or that whole bunch filling an SUV (which always seem rather empty)

Interesting.

Nope. Egg won’t become human without sperm. Conception is the start of reproduction. Life at conception. End of discussion.

Don’t presume to speak for me.

"Conception is the start of reproduction"

Looks like someone never told you about the birds and the bees.

Egg-xactly!
How convenient for you to have the word conception. What on earth would you do without it? You'd be guilty of killing so many babies with all those condoms, pills, pulling out, watching the cycle of the month, the list is endless.

It's all the same thing without the word conception.

"Conception" is not the miracle here. The "word" conception and the hypocritical convoluted use of it is the miracle. Holy folk can hang their hats on it and sleep easy after jerking off and flushing perfectly healthy eggs away allowing all other forms of, "choices" for limiting God's greatest gift, under the guise of family planning. Rest easy and tell all the rest of us we're a bunch of sinners for believing in choice. If they truly believed life is such a gift from God they would all have 15 children or the most the womb of the family could create!

This is the most hypocritical bullshit of mankind!

That type of punishment would have to leap over as many constitutional norms to become law as outlawing abortion would.

Rape will never be stopped with harsh punishment. Do you also believe gun crime will stop with tough gun laws?

If you are trying to start an argument, go somewhere else.
I was just asking a question.

Well you already asked same question in another post. But here is some things to consider. If the punishment is very severe, it will prevent rape cases out of fear of punishment. But also, in United States the adoption process is extremely painful and expensive, to the point that some families were forced to adopt from other nations. If that was not the case, rape mothers could put their kids for adoption to a loving family who wants the kids. The problem we can say then that it is 1) punishments for rape are a joke 2) adoptions process in US needs to be reworked so that middle lower class can afford it. Those two subjects you will never see anyone talking about even doing something about it.

That is a valid question. I can't speak for Kate (who I tend to agree with on this issue), but I will offer my opinion.

I think it is up to the woman. NO ONE should have to live with a daily reminder of what was likely the worst moment of her life. No child should have to live with a mother who has less than the most positive regard for the child. At the same time, there are women who feel otherwise, and who believe that something good can come from something awful. They should be free to make their own choice.

I would prefer that they give the child up for adoption, but it is not decision to make.

As others here have noted, however, we cannot equate cases of rape and cases of convenience.

That's a good argument!
Thanks for answering my question.

Not *my* decision

Why do we always find typos when it is too late?

Looks like others answered your question pretty thoroughly. I would just add that abortion in these cases only benefits the man who can just take his victim to planned parenthood and get rid of the "evidence" 2,3, 10 times if needed. Especially in states where no parental consent is needed a predator can continue impregnating victims for years and no one would know. Let that sink in. I've yet to hear a story about a woman who was more traumatized by having to carry the child to term and either put him or her for adoption or raise them. In many cases, the child ended up being a huge gift and healing force in their life. There are many famous people who were deemed "the productof rape" and wenton to be very successful individuals.
Its up to society to accept these children and punish the real criminals not the mother and child. I hate the term "rapist's child" that's like an adoptive parent always referring to their orphan, their adopted kid, or bastard. Its demeaning to the child. A child is a child, no matter the circumstances of their conception. I don't call my friend's son a test tube baby even though he is. He has a name and a life just as my children who were conceived naturally. 
A child conceived in **pe shouldbe just as valued as a child born to a stable and loving home

Here, have an upvote. Amen

eyyy it's in the politics stream. what do you expect?

You make a good point...

America can endure pretty much indefinitely with legal access to abortion services.

Well, when America is ran under Islam we won't have to worry about abortion then, or woman and gay rights either. With that attitude, soon, very soon.

And yet, the ballot measures I have to vote on are still mostly "Christian" inspired and not one has anything to do with Islam.

It is only a matter of time until they outbreed you all, their kids grow up to fill all the political roles and us game over. Just look at Europe for a preview of what is to come.

Hi, I'm in Europe right now. Everything's fine. Come join us.

Imagine being so delusional.

Over the last 4-5 years in Sweden sexual assault on 15-18 year olds has rose over 50% as per a Swedish report. Those f**king Amish, amirite?

I been to Europe, I have family in Spain. I seen it with my own eyes. You guys are just conditioned.

Well, it's a hell of a conditioning job for so many people to be happy with the presence of Islam.

Yup it sure is.

OK. We're still happy with the presence of Islam, though.

"Who's converted?"

Cassius Clay.

I am sure US will be all happy when they convert to islam as well.

Who's converted?

What is the easiest way to throw a ball, have it stop, and completely reverse direction after traveling a short distance?

Elaborate. In what America are 3 million Muslims taking over?

Extreme ideology of any stripe is bad. There is little difference between the Taliban and any other extreme religious view.

It is only a matter of time until they outbreed you all, their kids grow up to fill all the political roles and is game over. Just look at Europe for a preview of what is to come. It may just take a few generations but it is gonna happen.

That is a lot of things.

1. Ridiculous
2. Racist
3. Bigoted
4. You are using the same line of thinking as a white supremacist. Our nation has laws that govern all of us. It does not matter what color we are. You're worried the great white man will lose dominance. That is an extremely pessimistic view of the world. That our nation will be completely lost if/when the white man loses control of it.

You are thinking much too highly of yourself and your importance in this country.

You seem intolerant of Fauscovai's views. That makes you a BIGOT.

There is a difference between being intolerant toward someone of racial origin and being intolerant to ridiculous, non-mathematical math calculations. In fact, pushing ridiculous, non-mathematical math calculations as a basis for your argument and then including phrases like, "they outbreed you all", this post is dripping with racism and bigotry.

I gladly admit to being intolerant to Fauscovai's views.

And YOU defend them. You should be so proud of yourself.

No, I am speaking the truth, you just refuse to see it. I guess time will tell. You be a lefty and call me all those words, they do not hurt me, but if it makes you feel better from losing the argument by all means. When Islam takes overn your kin will be no more. One by one will be stonned. You keep on going on your cultural genocide crusade.

Even in your intolerant world you should see that worrying about 3% of the population taking over our country, "outbreeding us all", is an ignorant argument to make.

Dude you are delusional. Talking to a brick wall at this point is a better way to spend my time talking to you. It is coming, time will tell.