Didn't they already get their back pay?

Essentially, the guy who introduced it thought republicans would shoot it down and dems could virtue signal that they tried to help the little guys, or that the republicans would vote against it but it would pass, and the dems would be the heroes. It backfired on him.

LOL Thx, i tried a google on it and got nowhere.

Just googled another article about it though:

https://www.khou.com/article/news/local/verify/verify-did-house-democrats-vote-down-federal-employee-pay-during-shutdown/285-c000e029-8960-4057-a57e-6f43afbb0859

Thank you. What a shady gang of snakes. They really care about the public lol

Speaking of "virtue signaling" - "KHOU can verify most Democrats voted against giving federal employees their recently missed paychecks while the shutdown continues. However, in that same bill, all but one Democrat eventually voted to pay federal employees and reopen the government through Feb. 28.

Any House bill also needs to clear the Senate before heading to President Trump’s desk." Meaning previous house resolutions - and Senate agreements to the same were being held hostage by Mitch McConnell - to advance a racist/xenophobic and entirely iconographic policy - Trump's majority unpopular wall.

I'm pretty sure I heard it in a Tim Pool video, but I'm not sure which one. He puts out a lot of content and I really don't feel like digging through them, lol, sorry

Thx, it's getting harder to find negative stories about dems on google all the time.

No problem! And yeah, no surprise there.

I haven't heard about that. I do know a dem introduced a bill to release their pay, and all republicans voted in favor, but dems shot it down, including the dem who introduced it.

Maybe it's been released since then.

LOL! That tag.

https://i.imgflip.com/2sda3n.jpg

Plessy v. Ferguson and Dred Scott v Sanford - need to be read to be understood. Unfortunately only PARTS of Plessy were reversed by Brown v. Board of Education - the rest is still intact as law.

This is fairly high level - law school stuff - but another example of the thinking is in the written decision of Van Valkenberg v. Brown - brought by a woman seeking the rights of "the people" - back 1872... Sorry Missy... It also establishes that "white Citizens" (in the California Republic state) don't derive their rights from the 14th Amendment... Rather than extending common law rights and Citizenship under State Constitutions that specifically prohibited the same - the freedmen were given "Civil Rights", and US citizenship - instead. It is an imperfect solution.

Obviously that Rep. stepped in it... But on a technical level - he wasn't wrong.

*3/5 of a person

Exactly. But that which is unjust - could never truly be law. Women and children (even white ones) were considered property at the time, too.

As our understanding and sense of justice grows - we correct the law to reflect our increased understanding of justice.

They couldn't vote. It just gave the free men of the state more representation

It also taxed them as less than full people - because the understanding of people-hood vs personhood reflected the prejudices and ignorance of the time. Women couldn't vote either.

it's happened before it can happen again :shrug:

I’m forced to work for free too, I have to work two weeks for each pay period and another week before the money hits my bank account.
Government employees didn’t work for free. They just got a delayed paycheck and the non-essential employees got delayed paid time off.

2 - paychecks - and many of them live paycheck to paycheck at about 40K a year... So it was a 'totally out of touch' - DICK MOVE.

Excusing the racism and xenophobia behind the wall, as an idea, is one thing... But this was a new low.

And people that work for Federal Contractors - just got laid-off for a month - through no fault of their own. And they don't get paid back. A bad credit rating can jeopardize a security clearance... Really - that's totally uncool.

It's Racism and Xenophobic to want people to come into the country legally?

Legal = public policy. And yes the policy you like is both racist and xenophobic - and inherently unjust. Cubans are ALWAYS welcome... But Haitians? No.

And the victims of our racist and fascistic foreign policy in Central America are being singled out - while the majority of "illegals" just drive across from Canada, or fly-in - and then overstay their Visas. Most drugs roll through ports of entry - so conflating refugees seeking asylum - from the coup government we put in charge of Honduras - is totally racist. Meanwhile - the Canada border has no wall - and no racist mobs demanding one, either. If you weren't racist and xenophobic - on some level - Trump's disgusting rhetoric and demagoguery - would turn your stomach - as with the majority in this country - who disapprove of him and his wall.

5 racists and 2 xenophobics and a fascist in 2 paragraphs, impressive leftism!

And Steve Bannon counsels y'all to embrace the label... Tsk-tsk....

Most illegal immigrants a Latino, but most are visa overstays. Still, a good amount cross the Mexican border.

The border crossed them in the case of Mexicans - I live on land taken from Mexico at gunpoint... But that aside - Florida was never part of Cuba or Venezuela - but their right-wing elites and ideologues are ALWAYS welcomed.

We've been F-ing over Haiti for centuries now - and yet they're not welcomed. We've destroyed Central America - but refugees fleeing the devastation are considered a "emergency", a "crisis" and threatening...to the anglocentric. I don't believe that people are illegal. I don't believe that immigration is any kind of drain - if anything, it is a net benefit to our economy. We are a nation of immigrants... It is an appeal to unreasonable fears that motivates the anti-immigrant rhetoric of the Donald. A good meme I see here a wats back was "Disaster Girl" saying something about refusing refugees - is like locking the doirs on a burning building.

Stephen Miller(First Jeff Sessions', and now Trump's immigration policy guy)'s own family point to the fact that his ancestors came to this country fleeing persecutiin during WWII - at a time when Jewish immigration was unpopular.

You’ve been drinking so much leftist koolaid you’re drunk. Come back to reality when you’ve sober up.
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Reality is - Republicans are a shrinking minority. You lost the House of Representatives. Get used to it.

LOL you guys lost the house AND senate not so long ago. These things happen. If you really think it's a permanent change you're in another reality

Well, I'm not a Democrat - so I mever had them. But the wall isn't popular enough to win under an undivided government, so I'm hoping that change IS permanent.

That’s the leftist koolaid talking. You need to sober up and join the rest of us in the real world.

MnMinPhx has run far to the right (margin) with his arguments...

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As for the "Kool-aid" story - just more disinformation that you seem to have bought into - without much research or thought, it seems. Most of the victims in Guyana were murdered - mass suicide was just a coverstory - for a CIA operation that was about to become exposed.

http://www.constantinereport.com/jonestown-the-cia-mind-control/

Nobody is forcing them to work for the government. If it’s so bad that they can’t save up a rainy day fund they should use the time off to get a better job.

I’ve seen too many of these, supposedly, burdened furloughed workers who had to “cut back on my trips to MacDonalds”. They live paycheck to paycheck mainly because of the amount of money they spend, not because of how little they earn.

As for Trump being to blame, Pelosi and Schumer are just as much to blame. They held the government hostage by refusing to approve funding for border barriers — something they approved of when there was a Democrat president. They are the biggest “dicks” in DC.

Congress holds the power of the purse. You misunderstand the separation of powers. If Congress changes its mind (which it may do, often - as the House of Representatives in Congress, has elections every two years - at which all seats are contested, and majorities change to reflect the will of the people - as expressed by their votes) - the President needs to accept that. The President had a majority in Congress for two years - and couldn't get his stupid wall built. He needs to accept reality - he lost the fall election.

The Government performs vital functions - like air traffic control - and food inspection. Someone will have to do those jobs. Your post is idiotic partisan nonsense.

Are you really that dense? Border security is a nonpartisan concern. Both parties want it and both parties know that physical barriers are necessary to achieve it. Idiots like Pelosi and Schumer are just resisting it because they don’t want Trump to have another achievement going into the 2020 election. If Trump was a Democrat, they’d be totally in favor of a wall.

The people who perform vital functions got paid. It was just delayed.
You really are an idiot, ya know.

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/slim-prospects-for-government-contractors-getting-back-pay-after-shutdown/

Contract employees are subject to no pay anytime the company they contract with is closed. For example, while staff employees get paid for sick days, vacations and holidays, constactors don’t get paid anything during that time. This is one reason why contractors usually get paid a higher wage. The guy in the report who left his job because of the hardship it caused took another job with a $30k pay cut. But I’ll bet the new job comes with better benefits like paid time off. Yeah, it sucks for them but nobody is forcing them to keep working there. They can look for a better job.
You’ll also notice that Pelosi and Schumer don’t seem to care about these people. They could have easily prevented the shutdown by passing a budget that included the requested funding for a wall. They could have also got protection for ‘dreamers” that Trump offered, but they are more concerned about their vow to oppose Trump at every turn than doing what’s best for the country.

By your logic - we could avoid ISIS attacks - by just recognizing their Caliphate.

Neither Pelosi nor Shumer is under any obligation to pursue Trump's agenda. And that goes double for an unpopular part of that agenda - that he couldn't get passed, when he had a majority in both houses of Congress.

They ran against Trump and his wall - and have a duty to their constituents to deliver on THEIR agenda - not his. He had a duty to deliver on his campaign promises (including getting Mexico to pay for his wall) during the time when he had a legislative majority. So his failure to deliver is on HIM, and Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell - not Chuck and Nancy.

A better politician, with some experience, would know how to get things done... By doing some horse-trading. For example: AOC's proposal for a top marginal tax rate of 70% - only upon portions of income over a $10 million threshhold - is MAJORITY POPULAR... If he wasn't an idiotic demagogue (and an enormously racist/xenophobic asshole), being managed by Far-Right ideologues - he might offer to work that into the tax code - in return for the first 5 Billion generated, going to his stupid wall... He would be outflanking Pelosi and Shumer, in a populist fashion - from both sides simultaneously. But alas ... He comes from a private corporate environment - characterized by enacting policies, based upon his autocratic fiat, without even so much as an independent board of directors, or shareholders, to answer-to.

As for a vow - to oppose Trump at every turn - please provide some evidence of this. It sounds like you're confusing the vow of obstruction that Mitch McConnell, and the GOP leadership in Congress swore - at a well reported upon meeting, early on, under Obama.

You show all the lack of empathy for hard working Americans (in these defenses of the Trump Shutdown/ Hostage taking of the Government) that the GOP is famous for, amongst those who are paying attention (so clearly, not their "low-information voter" base). The companies that those contractors work for - were shut down through no fault of anyone but Trump and McConnell... It was nothing that their management or workers could anticipate, plan for, or change... And yet they were forced to bear the costs, and shoulder the burden for a callous billionaire, pursuing an unreasonable strategy, to achieve an unpopular policy... That is the very definition of - "out-of-touch, with the American people" - but "in touch" with the far-right, neo-nazis and KKK.

“They ran against Trump and his wall - and have a duty to their constituents to deliver on THEIR agenda”
Thanks for confirming that they have an agenda and it is THEIRS, not the country’s.

In January last year, When Republicans had the majority, Trump proposed a deal to provide a pathway to citizenship for 1.8 million dreamers in exchange for $25 billion for a wall and other border security. Pelosi rejected it.
In March last year, Trump pitched a deal to include $25 billion in border wall funding and a two-and-a-half-year extension of DACA. Democrats countered by offering $25 billion in border wall funding in exchange for a pathway to citizenship for the 1.8 million dreamers — they same deal she rejected just a few month earlier.

The point is, Democrats kept playing games flip flopping back and forth because they didn’t want a permanent solution to DACA to happen under the Trump administration. They simply oppose Trump even when he offers what they want.

You keep blaming the government shutdown on Trump and forgetting there are two sides involved. Not surprising since the MSM always screws reporting on such matters making it always look like the Republicans are to blame. It happens every time — “it’s the Republican’s fault”. In reality, it’s really the Democrats who are being heartless and using groups like the “dreamers” as pawns for their political agenda.

You can’t come up with a valid argument and have resorted to name calling and parroting leftist talking points. Turn off MSNBC and CNN and open your eyes to what’s really happening.

I don't watch CNN - or MSNBC. If they offered Trump his wall - he should have taken the deal, while he had control of the legislature. But you're oversimplifying the deals ur describing - and they had "poison pills", on both sides.

Trump's action against DACA and the 'dreamers' was unilateral, cruel and uncalled for - and his most recent offer was but a temporary reprieve - from an unjust sentence that he had imposed. I'm glad Pelosi didn't accept it. If she had caved to Trump on his MAJORITY UNWANTED wall - she would have shown him that he can always get what he wants from her - by taking the Government (and everyone whose paychecks depend upon it) hostage. He would do it upon every unpopular issue, on which the congress won't give him what he wants.

You need to quit confusing the agenda of the party who LOST the House - in spite of ridiculous gerrymandering - with the agenda of "the country". What you're referring to, sounds like the agenda of the Country Music Awards' audience, instead.

Trump tried to make the Midterm Elections a referendum on Nancy Pelosi vs. his "Nationalist" neo-nativism ... Well, we've seen who has a greater level of support, nationwide. You, and he, just need to accept that reality, and move on. Congress flipped - they have a mandate for their agenda. It is Trump who needs to work with them - not the other way around. They can hash out deals with the Senate - and pass whatever they like - if he disagrees he can refuse to sign or veto - and run the risk of being embarrassed, by having the Congress override him.

Before the new majority took office - Paul Ryan's Congress and the Senate approved a continuing resolution. He agreed to sign it - but then caved to Anne Coulter and Rush Limbaugh - who aren't popular, with the majority of the Country. He is the one that flip-flopped. And then he admitted on-tape, that he'd be proud to engage in the petulant and childish exercise, of a shutdown - over something was always a dumb idea, and that lacks adequate popular support. It occurred exactly as it should have - with him losing even more popularity, and being "cucked" even harder.

My opinions aren't formed by others - and there is nothing that CNN or MSNBC had to do to make Trump unpopular - but put his own words on the air.

Pointing out the racism, ethnocentrism and xenophobia - that motivates the anti immigrant segment of Trump's base - isn't calling names - any more than pointing out who the "good people" at that rally were.

“I support her resistance to the wall - but dislike her more generally - so your polling us a poor inducator”
Oh, so your support represents the rest of the country? And yet you don’t want me to use say “we” when speaking about the rest of America. What a hypocrit you are. At least I have actual polling numbers to show what the rest of America actually thinks, and it’s not in line with your opinion.

“Your support numbers for Trump are off by about 10 points”
They’re not my numbers. https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/28/poll-pelosi-approval-rating-plummets/

“Trump would have held onto the House”
Apparently you don’t know the difference between President and congressman. The president doesn’t own, lead or represent either house of Congress. But keep clinging on to that small win since it’s obviously all you have.

“Our present border security is just fine as far as many are concerned”
Many but not most. Even your beloved Democrat congressmen admit border security isn’t adiquate. How long you wait in line at checkpoints isn’t an indicator of how secure the border is. The people who actually know how bad it is (the border patrol) disagree with your “many” people and they also say a wall is necessary.

You claim Trump has a history of racism but don’t share anything concrete to support such claims. You believe it simply because others say so. Like I said, you don’t understand what racism really is.

Face it, your uninformed hatred for our President has fogged your perception of reality. As much as you want to believe that the majority of Americans think the same as you it simply isn’t true.

So, you don’t watch CNN or MSNBC and you obviously don’t have very good reading comprehnsion based on your rebutle. No wonder you’re so out of touch.

Democrats getting the House majority didn’t “flip” Congress. You act like that was some kind of major blow. If so, then The Democrats got their asses woopped when they lost the majority of both houses of Congress during the Obama administration.

Despite the lopsided reporting by the MSM, Pelosi’s approval dropped to 28% during the shutdown while Trump’s remained relatively the same at 43%. You’re totally off base as to what the MAJORITY WANTED. We don’t want the porous border we currently have and we know that barriors are necessary to improve it. Pelosi knew it when she agreed to $25 billion last year after it was too late because the offer was off the table. Now she’s flip flopped saying $5 billion for border barrier is too expensive and immoral. Funny how her morals suddenly changed in a few months and how 1/5th of the amount she offered is now too expensive.

You call Trump racist, for what? Trying to enforce our immigration laws? Playing the race card just shows you have no valid argument and you just use the term to label anyone you don’t agree with. You’re one of the uninformed leftists who don’t even understand what racism really is.

I've fumbled twice now - and lack the extra battery - to justify my answering you point for point, yet again... And it doesn't seem like there's any fact you'll listen to, anyway... But here are some source materials demonstrating why Trump racist - and spreading his ignorance and bigotry. Also your poll is garbage -coming from a right wing source that is tellimg you what you clearly want to believe already. I have a more recent and accurate obe for you.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-poll-2020-presidential-election-republicans-democrats-second-term-a8752666.html

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5b7e5253e4b07295150fc749

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/18/us/politics/refugees-revenue-cost-report-trump.html

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/11/michael-cohen-trump-racist-vanity-fair-private-black-people-stupid-shithole.html

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-white-supremacist-poll-1226957

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-helped-spread-fears-race-war-south-africa-hes-ray-hope-white-1224682

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-rhetoric-bullhorn-encouraging-white-supremacist-violence-former-1200523

Replying to the dogged fact resistance of Mr. MnMinPhx - Yes... The Democrats, and their right to center-right politics, got clobbered by the far right organizing of the Koch Brothers' Tea Party groups, in 2010.

At 28% popularity Pelosi is more popular than the congress more generally. I support her resistance to the wall - but dislike her more generally - so your polling us a poor inducator. Your support numbers for Trump are off by about 10 points.

Stop saying "we" - when speaking about the rest of America. If you represented "We the People", Trump would have held onto the House. Racist and xenophobic sentiments are easier to gin-up in some, than others. Faux Nooze viewers are particularly susceptible. Our present border security is plenty as far as many are concerned - and those who feel otherwise, have never spent hours in the line at TJ, or been stopped at the border patrol station at San Onofre. Instead they're being fed disinformation, based upon Hollywood schlock, like Sicario - Day of the Soldato.

I read just fine. Your understanding of the finer points of the deals you're misreporting upon, is just poor. If Pelosi had agreed to a deal, acceptable to Trump when in the minority - he should have taken "yes" for an answer. But there are significant pieces of the story missing - including a lack of support in the Senate... So it may be time to grow-up, face reality, and move-on to a battle you can win. Crying over the opposition's unwillingness to cave to your whims, when you've lost the upper hand - is a waste of time.

Trump - like his father before him - has a history of racism. His hires of a few token blacks for his (white)"Nationalist" regime, notwithstanding. And the testimony of Omarrosa Manigault Newman - seems to have shown how that strategy can blow-up in his face - as she claims that he often speaks, using racist terms.

And there is PLENTY of reason to believe that Trump and his politics are racist, and lots of Americans believe that - not just me. There's plenty of evidence to support the charge, and intelligent people willing to see it, and call it out.

https://theconversation.com/woody-guthrie-old-man-trump-and-a-real-estate-empires-racist-foundations-53026

https://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/millers-brand-xenophobic-racist-nationalism-shut-down-u-s-government-lbkr/

- and that was about the previous shutdown - when he controlled the Congress.

If $hillary Clinton was President, and calling for a Wall - I'd still be opposing that. I can't accurately gauge what everyone in Congress would be feeling - but I'd bet it would be a smarter project than Trump's - using more technology, and human resources. Building a wall out in the middle of the desert is a poor use of resources. The metal barrier Trump was proposing as an alternative - is uniquely tailored to enrich a Russian oligarch named Roman Abramovich - with close ties to Netanyahu, Putin, and Ivanka (not to mention high paid escorts - meaning human trafficking, in all likelihood, like Trump's other pal Jeff Epstein). So this is exactly the kind of wasteful project that Republicans usually decry - except when it expands military or police state spending.

If Trump's wall was popular with a majority of Democratic voters - or even just a majority of the electorate as a whole - Pelosi and Shumer would be all about it. But it isn't.

Pelosi and Shumer appear to be in support of John Bolton's Coup attempt in Venezuela - and that would be another "win" for Trump - at the cost of poor people of color... So your analysis appears flawed, because that represents a truly "bipartisan" project - of equally dubious wisdom.

https://grayzoneproject.com/2019/01/29/the-making-of-juan-guaido-how-the-us-regime-change-laboratory-created-venezuelas-coup-leader/

The people who were working without pay for a month were those performing what is DEEMED by Trump's executive department to vital functions - so no... That's just incorrect. Everyone got paid back, even those who didn't work - but people with inadequate reserves had to make hard choices with their bills - meaning their credit ratings were subject to Trump's terroristic ultimatum. And folks working with little budgetary margin, with a Security clearance - were at risk. Contractors' employees - got nothing from the Government, so you should stop making foolish assumptions.

If Trump made a campaign promis to do a coup attempt in Venezuela, Democrats would resist it just like they’re resisting the wall.

First of all - that's a hypothesis that is neither provable nor disprovable... So junk science... But in fact, if Trump was arguing for more interventions and US hegemony and globalism during the campaign - I strongly suspect that the neither the Democrats, nor the "Deep State" would be fighting him so hard, on anything.

But at this point I'm wishing that Trump would be keeping his other undeliverable campaign promises - relative to non-interventionism...

https://grayzoneproject.com/2019/01/30/us-economic-warfare-venezuela/
https://youtu.be/awSaRH5B2aA
https://youtu.be/BLkzE8-tQyk

I can validate he's drinking koolaid. :)
Only upvotes! :)

Whose Kool-aid do you claim I'm drinking? I've been against racist xenophobia since before you knew who I was.

You see - I told you there'd be plenty of like minded people on imgflip - who you'd TOTALLY get along with...

The racists, the fact-resistant, the twisted and the fascistic...

Go play with your alt AnotherWorldView and continue upvoting yourself. Have fun!