Keeping your campaign promises ain't easy now days!

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ikr?! i kept my gf in a wall cause I love her B) B) B)

Historically walls have been made to keep people out or separated

Uh, yeah. Keep people out that you don't want inside. I hope you're not seriously suggesting that is a reason they're bad?

No I’m saying Trump is wrong

So in medieval europe when a town put up a wall it was simply to keep other people out, and not to keep the people inside safe? How about the walls around Rome, Instanbul, or even the great wall? None of those were meant to keep the people inside safe?

None of them worked. It was mostly a barrier to make people feel safe rather than have practical applications. Only a manned wall would be more effective. And we don't need walls to man borders. Vehicles, bases of operations, cameras, drones, more border patrol, fine... wall? No. The cost of maintaining a wall far outweighs the cost of these things. If you really want people to stay out, that is what you need to do. Even if you get your wall, these people will still climb over, tunnel under, or swim around it.

Buddy, show some stats, because the wall costs 4.91 million dollars. That is a lot more money than manning the border, but over time the expenses of paying that many salaries go way beyond that amount. It is the best long term option

Buddy, show me some stats that they don’t have the resources to bypass and destroy said wall. The cost of the wall is way more than 4.91 million. As it stands it’s currently sitting at a pretty 5.7 billion and that does not include the cost of maintaining the wall for decades to come.

But your missing the point. The families who just wanna keep their kids safe aren't going to waste time to try and bypass a wall. And those who do can be easily found by both the American and Mexican governments, not to mention the fact that if said bypassers failed they'd be facing incredibly high sentences for destruction of government property or trespassing on government land. And it is indeed more expensive to have an army manning the border. Let's assume that we post 10 troops for every mile of the border. That's almost 20,000 troops you have to take from somewhere and pay for doing nothing but sit around guarding a border out in the open. Any band of mexican's that are simply armed with even pistols (if practiced) could just waltz up, shoot the troops, loot them, and then relay to command that nothing is wrong. Having a wall helps strengthen our border anyway, so troops or no, it's necessary

You’re missing the point.

Walls don’t work.

Tell me of a time in history where having a wall was detrimental or simply, "didn't work." I can tell you the biggest reason why a wall would work. What's the number 1 tactic terrorists like to use to fool their attackers. A false sense of security or peace. Terrorists could sneak a member or two of a terrorist group into the refugees coming in, then get into the country and do their dirty work. Don't believe me? I can name two instances (one a myth) on which this tactic worked: the Trojan Horse, and 9/11

i do understand that 9/11 was an aerial attack, but the same concept applies. Terrorists hijacked a plane full of innocents, then used that to get into the country. THREE TIMES i might add.

You do realise that this wall would have cameras or a means of watching what goes on? Anyone doing the aforementioned acts to get over would be caught in a heartbeat. Also I accidentally flagged your comment when I tried to reply. Sorry.

You failed to answer my question. I saw the comment and I tried to reply. But since the thread was long and I was being careless, I accidentally flagged your comment. But nevertheless, you still didn't give a rebuttal to my proposal

Tell me how a wall prevents tunneling, scaling, vandalism, flying, shipping, sailing, and swimming. All of that. And you'll prove me wrong.

The wall is no more than a publicity stunt used to brainwash you into thinking you're safe and have a President that keeps his promises.

We already had a President like that. I won't be fooled again.

I've started a new thread.

thanks

oops i wasted that spot

I’ve made my arguement and you’ve failed to deconstruct it by going off topic. Citing fear of terrorism and reprocussions of illegal entry. All irrelevant to how a wall is effective to preventing these things. If you can find a wall, in history, with a similar terrain and proposed length that works that would be a start. Instead you want me to elaborate how walls don’t stop people from bypassing them. With respect you logic is two-dimensional, flawed, and easily disproven using its own simplicity against it.

Walls don’t work.

why is talking about making a barrier against outside threats like terrorism going off topic? we arent making a wall to protect against domestic threats, so i dont understand why you made that comment. Also, your definition of a wall working isnt very clear, so please explain yourself.

like i said, find me a case in history where a wall was detrimental to the people who built it then you will sway me

I have explained. I’ll explain again. I don’t need to give you a history lesson to tell you that they can swim, dig, and climb over the wall.

We no longer need walls to monitor the border and track all illegal entry.

Terrorism currently has nothing to do with the crisis at the border. The only crisis is the alarming number of refugees coming from a socialist country that is currently bankrupt. The only reason we don’t want them here is because of the rising popularity of socialism which is ironic since it is likely these people, who are mostly Catholic by the way, probably have first hand negative experience of a socialist run country.

Another reason we probably don’t want them is due to the fact that our own country is due for an economic collapse and it’s terribly inconvenient to prioritize humanitarian resources to people who are poor and don’t speak English.

The solution our government has come up with is to compare this to the refugees coming in from the Middle-East to Europe which sparked Terrorist attacks across those countries.

They’ve used this fear to manipulate the American public to see these sick, starving, dehydrated, and desperate people as threats.

Make no mistake, they are threats but not to our national security but rather to our economy.

Shouldn't I be wanting this Border Wall then? NO! Because the whole systematic problem of our current capitalist-based government isn't our social programs, ironically, but our wasteful spending on things like a GO***AMN WALL.

We already have a boarder wall! I'm not against spending money to improve it, nor spending money on border security, but I am against spending billions on something that can already be destroyed or bypassed today. Which just means MORE SPENDING in other areas to prevent illegal entry into the United States that isn't covered under a f**king Wall.

Walls don't work.

you do realise that destroying property of another countries government like this is grounds to declare war. If the Mexican immigrants are half smart, they would realise this.

I dislike your unjustified prejudice against catholics. Assuming that the catholics are spearheading this movement is quite childish.

Saying that terrorism has nothing to do with it is pretty naive, as i have shown in the previously mentioned text

Its not because of socialism that we want to build a wall, its because we want to keep out illegals/drug dealers/possible terrorists. We cannot assume that everyone who enters the country illegally is an innocent.

Trump is building the wall as a trump card; that is, he is putting his foot down and attempting to solve the issue once and for all.

A border wall would greatly help in ground defense anyway. And if we did start a war with Mexico (which, for the moment, i believe wont happen) we would be secure. And a wall wont be the sole thing built. We will have cameras and drones monitoring the wall. We have technology.

The wall works.

Still should have border patrol along with everything else you said

Or drones. Or turrets. We aren't in the dark ages anymore. In the words or Patrick Star, "We have technology."

Tell that to Hungary, cuck

I don't know. I think a real cuck would believe it takes just a wall to protect themselves and those they love.

Go be a globalist somewhere else

A manned wall. Thank you for proving my point.

I didnt read all your comment. Yes a manned wall would be so great.
The best.

So instead of having a wall that costs enough money already, we're going to spend our money on both a wall AND an army to guard said wall? A wall is more than enough because it deters most normal people who don't have access to equipment or explosIves from getting through or over or even under. Besides, we have cameras and drones that can take care of that for us.

@Bloopmaster7

The refugees I'm referring to are from Venezuela. They are South American, not Mexican. Mexico doesn't want them either. I understand your confusion on this because you don't seem to be following the crisis at the border and your sources must not be giving you a clear understanding of the situation because they're too busy making you scared of these caravans.

I am not prejudiced against Catholics, but the people who lump these refugees in the same group as the refugees from the Middle-East (Which was full of Jews, Muslims, and Christians fleeing war torn countries in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan as being just as dangerous as these refugees because they are being used as a smokescrean to usher in terrorists) MIGHT be.

Catholics are not spearheading any movement on either side. My point was that if there are any Muslims coming through our border, it's less than 5%. My ire is mostly on Trump who either doesn't understand the situation or is lying to people about why the Wall suddenly needs funding. However, unlike Trump, I'm willing to give you a chance to be informed because I had no idea how misinformed you really were and assumed you knew what I was talking about until your last post.

I know that sounds very condescending but the equivalent of what you just said was. "Terrorists could attack us and you don't want us to do anything."

No.

There have been no Terrorist attacks. I want practical funding for border security. I also want this government to recognize refugees and give them asylum like we f**king pledged to do and not look for excuses to deny them that.

There isn't going to be a war with Venezuela because Venezuela is broke. All we have to do, and we are doing it by the way, is fund the opposition and allow a military coup to take over the country. I'm sure the plan is to deport these refugees from Venezuela back to their country after they have a little civil war which hopefully will last months and not years.

It's a gamble and it has nothing to do with a f**king wall so we don't need one.