the government spends what the wall will cost in under 13 hours.

Exactly. It's actually a trap Schumer and Pelosi are burying themselves in.

Maybe it's a trap to get Trump to open the "National Emergency" door.. either way I hope they keep trying to re-open the government.. With zero funding for the wall. Not a penny.
:)

I made a trap to draw in moronic liberal comments, it's working as great as the wall will when its completion is done.

I actually agree. The wall will be equally ineffective.
:)

I know you guys can't do math. $5 billion won't even get construction started.
I know you guys can't learn from history. Your wall will never get built.

You know that meme about then Senators Clinton & Obama voting for a big fence? That's true. They did vote for it. And it never got built.

Do you know why?

Because the vast majority of the land along the Texas/Mexico border isn't owned by the Federal Government. It's owned by private citizens. Ranchers that use the river to water their herds. The Fed Gov offered them money for their land. They refused.

Because building the fence would take up 90% of their land AND cut off access to the only source of water for their herds. Their lives & livelihood would be destroyed by the barrier. They didn't want to give up everything and go start a new life somewhere else.

Then the Government tried to use Eminent Domain to seize their lands.

The ranchers took the Fed Gov to court. The ranchers won. The Fed was blocked from seizing their lands.

Like I said, you can't do math. $5 billion won't even get things started.
You can't learn from history. This was already decided over 10 years ago.

The wall will never be built.

I mean that Israeli border wall, which is only 525 Kilometers or 326,22 Miles long (Compare that to the American-Mexican border which is about 3145 Kilometers long or 1954,212 Miles), costs about 260 Million American dollars to maintain. So using these numbers I would estimate the Maintenance of this supposed American-Mexican Border Wall, built the same way as the Israeli one, would cost about 1.6~ Billion American Dollars per year. Seeing as the Israeli Border wall costed about $2.6 billion so far, I calculate that the wall will cost about $15 Billion American Dollars. Three times as much as Donald Trump is asking.

In conclusion, I have way to much time on my hands, With that Money he might get one fourth or one third of the Wall done and this is a repost of my comment done below.

You use the term proposed wall,as if the wall doesn't and hasn't already been in existence and its proven success is documented fact. Invalid argument.

First off, that wasn't an argument. More of an inquiry if anything. A spur of the moment thing. Secondly, this 'Wall' that currently exists is barley a series of Large fences with various surveillance equipment dotted between them forming a sort of 'Virtual' wall. Thirdly As far as I can tell, Mr. Trump wants to overhaul and rebuild the current 'Wall' into actual 'Wall'. So that is my cost estimation. Lastly: Medieval Technology ahoy! I am sure it is still a viable and not utterly outdated concept.

Medieval? You drive a car right? The wheel is beyond medieval and still in use. Argument or talking point rendered moot.

Trump is compromising to work with serial obstructionist tool Schumer. How about looking up George Soros' Open Borders Foundation. And realize Schumer and Pelosi and so many more politicians are owned by him. Common knowledge amongst non sheep.

I wouldn't know the first thing about this sorta crap, since I don't even live in yer 'mighty' fine country with more problems than Luxemburg has people. (No, I am not Luxamburgian)

You call me sheep, while you blindly sit like a dog infront of a door waiting for either Donald Trump to finally drop his silly demands, or for the Democrats to end the suffering he is causing, by giving in and giving hundreds of thousands of people their money and their livlihoods back. All the while you blame the Democrats for it when in reality Trump had two years to get the Wall funding and still failed. Its not only Democrats but also Republicans who see that a Wall as Donald Duck here describes it would be useless and an unnecessary drain on the economy.

Technically the wheel is not a Medieval technology. Even if, it still proves useful today. A wall in the other hand has no place in the modern world and is a, as previously stated, outdated concept that would serve no good. YOUR point is moot.

Besides that ever heard about the famous German tactic of going around large obstacles. The french too had a wall, made of Gun emplacments and the such, during world war two. And what did it bring them? Nothing.

if it is 15 billion, the fed gov spend that in a day and a half.

Don't know much about how much the Federal Government of America spends on a Daily/Monthly/yearly basis, so I can't exactly comment on this. I was just bored and read this meme and remembered that Israeli wall. So I decided why the hell not and calculated this.

they spend 7million per min

The more you know. Have an upvote.

ty u2

Can't learn from history... says the guy that socialism is working in places!

Great idea. Here are a few others:
-national healthcare ermergency
-climate change emergency
-etc etc
:D

ermagherd.. I spelled it "ermergency".
xD
Thanks. Good luck with your wall.. I guess the croudfunding thing didn't work out huh?

OUR wall is already crowdfunded with taxes. If you're American, you will benefit from it.

I guess the RBG thing isn't working out huh?

If it's already funded why won't McConnell and Trump allow Pelosi and Schumer to re-open the government? Ya I can't wait for all my additional wall benefits. benefits like... fractionally higher illegal drug prices?

RBG ?

RBG = Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

25,000 murdered by illegal immigrants per year. I thought you lefties were supposed to be the compassionate ones

Ah... The Supreme Court Justice who might die of cancer.. hilarious.
Tell me more about compassion.

I have no compassion for that old buzzard. She advocated for some pretty sick shit.

Ginsburg called for reducing the age of consent for sexual acts to people who are “less than 12 years old.”

Ginsburg wrote that the Mann Act (which punishes those who engage in interstate sex traffic of women and girls) is “offensive.” Such acts should be considered “within the zone of privacy.”

Now tell me more about why 25,000 deaths per year by illegal immigrants isn't a problem worth trying to fix.

I could explain why that's BS but you believe whatever you want.

Well.. in addition to your 25k deaths claim it looks like that advocating age of consent for people less than 12 years old also seems to be BS.. what a surprise. I mean what you honestly think she's interested in banging 11 year olds? Lol
I don't think I'll bother fact checking the rest. Have a good one.

“Recommendations …..

18 U.S.C. §2032 — Eliminate the phrase "carnal knowledge of any female, not his wife who has not attained the age of sixteen years" and substitute a Federal, sex-neutral definition of the offense patterned after S. 1400 §1633: A person is guilty of an offense if he engages in a sexual act with another person, not his spouse, and (1) compels the other person to participate: (A) by force or (B) by threatening or placing the other person in fear that any person will imminently be subjected to death, serious bodily injury, or kidnapping; (2) has substantially impaired the other person's power to appraise or control the conduct by administering or employing a drug or intoxicant without the knowledge or against the will of such other person, or by other means; or (3) the other person is, in fact,

less than 12 years old"

https://www2.law.umaryland.edu/marshall/usccr/documents/cr12se9.pdf

pdf page 110, page number 102

Also your claim "25,000 murdered by illegal immigrants per year" is total BS.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/01/11/rep-katie-hill-will-vote-physical-barrier-border-security-sot-nr-vpx.cnn

Seemed the interviewer had to really twist her arm to make her say she would support some funding for a barrier of some type.. another interesting point: "95% of drugs in this country come through legal points of entry"

We're all familiar with that Trumped up line of fear mongering. Go fund your own safe space.

I have funded it... with taxes. What is it exactly, that you have against border security? Are you actually one of those "open border" ppl or are you just anti-anything-Trump?

I'm pretty comfortable with what is currently in place and believe fear is being used for political gain. The repubs owned all 3 branches of government for 2 years...but now all of a sudden (1 year before 2020) Trump's border wall is an emergency worth shutting down the government for weeks (?)?
I'm not convinced.

Apparently darko is afraid to answer this question

Got it. You don't think it affects you so you don't care about it. How virtuous. Carry on noble lefty. The wall will happen regardless of your shallow opinion.

Will do.
I'm not gonna hold my breath on the wall/fence/barrier/tumbleweed but I guess we'll have to wait and see. I care more about the people who might not be able to make ends meet because of Trump's shutdown more than anything else discussed here. But repubs f*cking over poor people wouldnt really be anything new.

Pelosi and Shumer have not halted the government. Trump halted the governent. Pelosi and Shumer are proposing bills to fund the government. I haven't checked your numbers, you may be right about the numbers but the rest is disingenuous.

False. The obstructionist would be the half trying to get the fence. Pelosi and Schumer have tried reopening the government but McConnell and Trump won't allow them to do it. This is Trump's shutdown.

There is no question barriers work to decrease illegal traffic.
- San Diego (built 1992): Dropped 92%
- El Paso (built 1993): Dropped 95%
- Tucson (built 2000): Dropped 90%
- Yuma (built 2005): Dropped 95%
The president is asking for around $5 billion for some of the wall to be built. He even said he would re-open the government in exchange for some funding for his border security agenda. The Democrats refused. They want to score points, but Trump isn’t going to budge. And for the moment, neither are Democrats, who are taking their new House majority for a spin. In the meantime, the morning commute in the D.C. area has seen considerably less traffic, so keep the government shut down for as long as possible. I’m loving it.

You live in DMV? Same

In other words, extortion.

I mean that Israeli border wall, which is only 525 Kilometers or 326,22 Miles long (Compare that to the American-Mexican border which is about 3.145 Kilometers long or 1954,212 Miles), costs about 260 Million American dollars to maintain. So using these numbers I would estimate the Maintenance of this supposed American-Mexican Border Wall, built the same way as the Israeli one, would cost about 1.6~ Million American Dollars. See as the Israeli Border wall costed about $2.6 billion so far, I calculate that the wall will cost about $15 Billion American Dollars. Three times as much as Donald Trump is asking.

In conclusion, I have way to much time on my hands and your numbers are wrong.

3145 Kilometers* (Not 3.145 Kilometers)

1.6~ Billion* (Not Million) American Dollars

You mean the Wall already in existence we have been maintaining for years? There's many directions I can go in to refute and dismiss your entire point here. Let's go with the cost of illegal aliens on our welfare system being exorbitantly way above standard wall maintenance. What sort of maintenance you seriously think a slab of the Wall costs?

"the cost of illegal aliens on our welfare system being exorbitantly way above standard wall maintenance"

Some sort of numbers would do you some good. And the source of said numbers would be even better.

"What sort of maintenance you seriously think a slab of the Wall costs?"

First off, the Wall in Israel doesn't even have a single Slab in it. As far as I can tell 10% is an actual Concrete Wall and the remaining is an 8 Meter long fence. I have mentioned that I assumed this wall would have been built similarly to the one in Israel.

Secondly, do you really think that all one would have to do was Put done a slab of Metal and be done with it? Someone has to go and check that it has not been broken down. That it hasn't degraded beyond use. Someone has to repair any damage to it. And so on and so forth. There are a surprising amount of things you have to do to keep even a simple slate wall Operational.

Lastly, that wasn't an argument. Its more of a spur of the moment thing. Since I kept hearing that $5 Billion Dollars won't be enough to build a border wall I wanted to find out. And on a side note I also calculated the Maintenance cost f such a Wall.

The internet is as free for you as it is for me. You wanna deny Pelosi and Schumer approved Obama's $150 billion to Iran for one thing?

I have no idea what your talking about, nor do I really care. But tell how does this relate to the Wall?