You can not compare the migrants of today with the immigrants who built this country.

That would depend on your definition of civilization. Yes, there were indigenous tribes here, but there was not a concept of a coherent nation as existed in Europe.

Besides, I am really referring to 1700's thru early 1900's when most of the mass migrations occurred. When these immigrants arrived here there was no welfare, food stamps, or government assistance. You either made it on your own or you died. You did not get to live off the teat of the people already here.

Some of my ancestors had a rough time. They were discriminated against but didn't anyone to cry for them. No civil rights act, no equity programs, no right to work, no minimum wage. Survival was different then.

Because you never heard of the Incas, Axtecs, the Iroquois Confederacy, Mississipians? And let's not forget the Powhatan Confederacy - you know, the ones who kept Jamestown alive because the dingbats forgot to bring farmers with them?

Previous attempts at settlements ended with colonists starving to death, waiting for the next ship to arrive with provisions come spring. Even with that ASSISTANCE from the natives, mortality rates were high.

60% of the food the world eats every day originated in the Americas. The potato alone, once dismissed, even reviled as the fruit of the Devil, caused a population boom after it was introduced to Northern Europe. Who knows what they ate before, sheep and their turds? Two strains of potato, one disease to afflict them, and Ireland starved.

There was land for the taking here, all you had to do is kill those on it, so that wasn't a problem once the settlers learned how to grow (mostly) native crops and find out that our rivers weren't gushing with human waste, so the fish can be eaten also. Took a while to get used to drinking it and bathing in it though. But that's what beer and hard cider was for. The colonists were basically perpetually drunk. They stank really bad because they though water was P-O-I-S-O-N-O-U-S! Those lovely wigs the Founding Fathers wore? That was to cover the nests of lice atop their heads. They made Trump's whatever look nice in comparison.

The problem with the growing settlements wasn't work (although there was publicly funded assistance for the impoverished in accordance to English Poor Laws), it was the availability of laborers to do it. Convicts (this was a penal colony after all, hence the American propensity for violence - part of their lasting legacy, BANG! BANG!), indentured servants, then slaves were brought here to help profiteers make their money. Later, of course, were other immigrants, who today do everything from jobs we won't dirty our polished fingernails on to 70% of small busines startups to most people doing OUR research and development in science, medicine, and tech.

Oh, and before you go on the expected, "The Iroquois were on level with good ol' jolly Medievel England? Orly?" the Spanish documented that Tenochititlan, Mexica, was the most beautiful, well organized city they had ever seen on Earth, and they traveled the planet.

Have a Happy Turkey Day.

So your justification for letting in the illegals is that if the Native American nations didn't provide welfare and aid to the colonists, then the colonists wouldn't have been able to steal their land and kill them all?

Thanks for clearing that up for us. Lesson learned.

My what?
What hallucination are you babbling about now and can you take you meds already?

Dislodge your schizoid head from your flatulating ass and R-E-A-D what I said.

Immigrate, Kill all resistance, enslave a labor force, rebuild in own image.

You see, we can learn from history.

These already developed nations brought in desperate foreigners who ended up killing all the natives, started importing cheap and slave labor, and demolished or ignored everything that was already built in favor of their own stuff.

Kinda reminds me of South Africa. The government seizes farmers land and redistributes it to people that don't know how to farm. They have hovels built instead and rent them to poor people to turn a profit.

Thanks for the educational opportunity, V!

The meds. Take them. You're babbling irrelevent nonsense.

Here's a trick for schizophrenics to bypass the hallucinations: LOOK at what you're looking at. Ignore the ridiculous voices in your head. Process what you've looked at within the context and parameters of what you've looked at. Respond to it in accordance to that. Done.

Kind of like when you're standing in front of a judge in court or trying to convince the drs in the psych ward that you're sane enough to let out.

Golly, that was a real swell, "I know you are, but so am I," hs level at least. How will I ever live it down in the caf at lunch? Zowie!

Such stunning ferocity, don't know if I can survive the blugeoning!

Aww, poor little Timber got me back for all the times I've said that to him.

Sad.

triggered*

business*

Yes when the government was doing the hard work of killing the people who where here first. For the first 2/3 of that time frame at least.

For real, I mean the natives had free health care, free university, and a great economy. How dare those europeans come in and destroy their utopia.

Right? It was such a utopia that the Central American tribes sacrificed up to 20,000 captured natives from rival villages, just to get better crops and to make it rain more. There's a reason natives banded up with the Conquistadors.

There's also a reason the Conquistadors slaughtered them. A disease that can only be cured by gold, they said? But it was ok, because they hadn't found Jesus.

Yup, Timbs is triggered!

Golly, your rebuttal is so you! Compliments to the chef.

Hey, Traitor Trump is pardoning a turkey and vouching for the Saudi Prince over the CIA's findings on his guilt on live tv right now.

Egads, the old geezer called me a young lady.

Sad.

Yes, it is.
That bother you?

Too bad.

You're sarcasm is absolutely right. Thay did do all of those things.

The lesson we can learn? Established nations that provide aid invading immigrants end up being wiped out and replaced by those immigrants.

Uh-yup! Gotta stop them damn ferinners before they genn-o-cide all over the kind, generous white folks just trying to build their little wall of peace and transkwilitea-party to make Merica one big great safe space once more.

Cute. Nothing's ever going to top thenewnoob. You ought to just keep him around for fun.

I think that they would have preferred that to the slaughtering of their tribes followed by centuries of racism.

I think they would have preferred having the ability to deny these leeches/destroyers entry.

Yeah. I just hate that this meme is implying that Mexican migrants are worse to us than we were to the Natives who willingly helped us survive, although I do believe that we need border control.

The comment section of this meme is proof that all you need to do is point out the obvious and snowflakes get triggered. So much butt hurt over a meme!

yup

Liberals debating and disagreeing isn't snowflakes getting triggered. The point of politiflip is to argue.

I must reply to this again. As a second/third gen immigrant, I can say that the jobs at home pay a fraction of the jobs abroad. There is no minimum wage in Ecuador.

yes- but so is living costs.
I strongly believe that they could get sth going & build sth up for themselves. But the productivity flees their countries.

Yes and America reaps the benifits

Undeveloped in the colonial sense of the word and unoccupied are two vastly different things.

Haha, just needs the mj eating popcorn

You're correct. Being able to move to a place with free land for the taking and no government to pay taxes to, cannot be compared to todays migrant farm camps and near slave labor tactics.