If you treat anthropogenic climate change as dogmatic fact, that demonstrates a poor grasp of science on your part.

If you treat anthropogenic climate change as dogmatic fact, that demonstrates a poor grasp of science on your part. | WHAT IF I TOLD YOU THAT THE SO-CALLED "SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS" ON CLIMATE CHANGE IS MORE POLITICALLY-BASED THAN SCIENTIFICALLY-BASED? | image tagged in memes,matrix morpheus,climate change,global warming,correlation does not imply causation,fake science | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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The kicker is that they keep harping on the Ross Ice Shelf melting, while ignoring that the rest of the continent has been getting colder and its glaciers thicker,,,

Same deal with coral die-off and Cuba. Surrounded by islands plagued by it, Cuba has been immune.
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Your knowledge is incomplete. You are not representing new data or global trends.
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No, yours is, AND YOU KNOW IT.
I am not representing any data whatsover or cute global fads.
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False. Not both caps, just the arctic. Not 2014, 2014 to 2016. Not will melt, could melt. Not his prediction, some of the models being used predict. And he immediately followed with Dr. what's his name predicting melt by 2030. As for NASA saying more ice than ever, you need to be specific, was it coverage, or was it volume? There is a black and white difference between these two. And all I did was go and watch is video. How did you arrive at such a flawed and scientifically inaccurate meme response?
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Except for an area on the western coast of Antartica (check round the Ross Ice Shelf) which is losing ice to the point it will reach levels it USED TO BE 250 years ago, the ice on the rest of the continent (whcih is completely covered) has been getting thicker. Record low temps have been recorded as well.
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"Though results of this study were unexpected, that doesn't change the larger trend of accelerated warming and icecap melting. In fact, NASA just confirmed we are losing ice in Antarctica at a faster rate every year."
Are you cherry picking?
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No, you are.
NASA confirmed the loss in in the >western ice shelf<, Ross, as I already hadmentioned.
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Indiana had a record cold and long winter recently. The governor said not to go out because it will kill you. The same time, Alaska had a record warm winter. One ice sheet growing does not mean global growth. Confirmed the loss? They've found many unexpected things. And over and over again the arrive at the conclusion that globe is warming, ice is melting, sea levels are rising and man-made emissions have played a huge role in these changes.
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Indiana cold is evidence of global warming? Don't forget the rest of the lower 48 and Europe's as well (That semi inversion was caused a jet stream, mkay?).

Next time READ what I had stated and try to understand it before paraphrasing what I had stated as a 'refutation' of what I had stated.

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Except for an area on the western coast of Antartica (check round the Ross Ice Shelf) which is losing ice to the point it will reach levels it USED TO BE 250 years ago, the ice on the rest of the continent (whcih is completely covered) has been getting thicker. Record low temps have been recorded as well."

The 250 yrs ago bit has to do with skeletons from elephant seal breeding grounds being exposed as the ice melts. As you know, elephant seals breed only on ice clear beaches. So we are almost getting to were the boundary of the ice shelf used to be back then, which is still farther from the ocean than it is now.
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Makes me wonder if I mixed threads.
As for Indiana, my point is that one ice shelf does not indicate the whole planet of ice, I compared Indiana and Alaska, essentially the cold moved from Alaska to Indiana or the heat moved from Indiana to Alaska.

"Antarctic ice floes extended further than ever recorded this southern winter, confounding the world’s most-trusted climate models.

“It’s not expected,” says Professor John Turner, a climate expert at the British Antarctic Survey. “The world’s best 50 models were run and 95% of them have Antarctic sea ice decreasing over the past 30 years.” -https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/oct/09/why-is-antarctic-sea-ice-at-record-levels-despite-global-warming

I see several stories/studies about an increase in ice on at least part of Antarctica. That region could raise the sea level by 110 feet. Would be nice if we avoid that. But I see a lot of caution as well. We're not sure what will happen. We are trying to study the local systems that could affect the future of that ice shelf. Also, the CO2 levels are probably going to exceed the Pliocene epoch, approximately 5.3 to 2.6 million years ago. So we may find a different outcome.

If your main point is that people are missing this when they talk climate change, I am seeing it now.
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You continue to insist on arguing against the facts I've posted by paraphrazing what I had stated yet claiming that proof somehow disproves itself without it doing so and therefore I am in err because you VERIFIED what I had said and, um, zzzzzzzzzz,,,,,

This triffling nonsense is boring, and you're wasting my time a lot.

Exceed levels of until two and a half million years ago? AGAIN, R-E-A-D what I said. We ain't even as warm as we were two and a half CENTURIES ago.
Even at the warmest back in the Pliocene, most of Antartica (the land) was still glaciated.

Traditionally it was thought that as Antartica shifted towards the South Pole, ocean currents became circular around it, minimizing warmer waters mixing in, and thus it got colder.
They found this decade that starting 33 million years ago, atmospheric CO2 levels began to drop, and the resulting chill is actually the cause of a frozen continent since. CO2 levels are still falling, and you can nuke every bit of combustile material to get that carbon in the air and there ain't a dang thing it would do about it.

Notice how you need to quote material and I don't? And that what you cite verifies all I have said? I'm not even sweating, and I'm not that bright to start with.
Try harder.

On second thought, never mind. I'm basically done here.

Homework assignment:

1. Why did polar bears come close to extinction 180,000 years ago?

2. Why is there coral in Florida higher than than a man on dry ground made 150,000 by a species that lives under 15 - 20' of water?

3. Why did Greenland lose 70% of its ice within a millenia 100,000 years ago but it is still 70% glaciated today, despite your 'Global Warming'?

I'm not even an expert, and I suck at numbers ta boot, yet I still know this basic crap.

Hate to ask what you are (not) doing about this world ender of yours.
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1. Polar bears came close to extinction a few times. I see mentions of 120,000 years ago. Causes are warming and ice melt that may have left little or no ice sheets for polar bears to hunt on.

2. Changes in sea level as much as 500 ft below current levels. Fist sized shells being eroded out 40 feet above current sea levels. Scientists have found more than 1000 fossil beaches above current sea level. There exists enough ice to raise sea levels 220 feet. Sorry, haven't found your particular example.

3. There are conflicting studies about the Greenland ice cover in the last 7M years. The above polar bear jaw evidence supports that some ice remained about 120,000 years ago. At least one study supports a short melted period where most of the ice was gone. Studies continue.

It is cited that CO2 is the global "thermostat" and that the temperature has never risen this fast. It is stated that when Earth cooled, the oceans dissolved more CO2 contributing to the cooling and during warming CO2 emerged from the oceans supporting the warming trend. Caution is given that past patterns cant be expected to behave the same way. The science is there.

ad hominem ignored.
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Forgot to mention I might be off with some numbers, like I said last night, this is off the top of my head. Plus I am rusty,,,

"Changes in sea level as much as 500 ft below current levels. Fist sized shells being eroded out 40 feet above current sea levels. Scientists have found more than 1000 fossil beaches above current sea level."

40 feet ABOVE current levels.
The coral deposits and a lot more are shown on a History Channel two hr docu about climate change. The end is a crack up, because after presenting info contradicting man-made global warming craze, it then calls it a warning as to how drastic changes can be. Proabably were pressured to add that.

That short melting period in Greenland's ice was far quicker than what is happening today.

Ad hominem?
Seriously, what have you done to help remedy it?
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No, seriously, what do you do?
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As to the points you've just made, I will be looking at those after submitting this response.

Original claim, "climate change is more politically-based than science-based"
Requires thousands of scientists to collude to deliver the same message.
Requires thousands of scientists to falsify data and weather prediction models.
Main issue that could cause at least some "manipulation" of data must be government funding, whereby so many scientists are so afraid of losing funding that they are willing to lie.

I will concede there is much politics around climate change.

At least one study shows that the more skilled the scientists are, the more they agree that climate change is man-made or "man-affected".
Current models are skillful, meaning they predict with a good degree of accuracy what will happen in the future.
From having skillful models that rely on CO2 being one of the main drivers in climate change supports the effect of an atmospheric factor that has been increased by %40 or more by man.
Antarctica is not following expectations. Studies that look at this are ongoing and the scientists are cautious about what that means and what might happen in the future.
Also, how many climatologists work in congress? I think zero, but I could be wrong.
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Like I said, this is getting boring.

The answers to those questions is that previous interglacials were significantly warmer than now, and this one is slated to end in 2000 years, regardless how much our cows fart and cars (do you have one?) belch,,,

"Skillful"? How is that determined? Regardless, why would the skillful scientists in Britian skillfully omit data that contradicted the paradigm and alter other data for it as well? Skillful lies are needed? Cool

- and oh yeah, that. It ain't being called Global Warming anymore for a reason.
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no, seriously, i live in the gutter, so I use no electricity, water, or gas.
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oOoh, snark, hardee har har,,,

Ain'tcha gonna ask what I do?
(HINT: I do more than you and everyone you know combined, incl FB friendz, the believers on this site, and Al Gore hisself,,,)
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https://e360.yale.edu/features/as_arctic_ocean_ice_disappears_global_climate_impacts_intensify_wadhams
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Dash, please look at my comment below. That is the real important fact (temperature is depending on so many influences). But scientists unfortunatley don't stress it, because they know that most people don't know what a pH, a buffer capacity and its crucial importance for life is - so they think it's easier to speak about temperature to alarm the public..
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Newer, more accurate information shows this is incorrect. Why would you post old information that is proven today to be incorrect?
"Prior to 2012, ice was lost at a steady rate of about 83.8 billion tons (76 billion metric tons) per year, contributing about 0.008 inches (0.2 millimeters) a year to sea level rise. Since 2012, the amount of ice loss per year has tripled to 241.4 billion tons (219 billion metric tonnes) – equivalent to about 0.02 inches per year (0.6 millimeters) of sea level rise."
-https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/ramp-up-in-antarctic-ice-loss-speeds-sea-level-rise

You may have referenced https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses

I have looked at these and more.
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You can argue this with memes and it won't get anywhere. Let's elect people who are smart enough to stop partisan politics and stop taking money from big oil and coal and look at ways to manage the damage which has already been done.
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Science, yes, but research is not science. Research can be politically motivated and influenced - or suppressed. Just ask the tobacco companies, or coca cola. Clearly the concensus is based on science for you, but the does not exclude the possibility that it is based on profit for others.
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once you've re-educated your beliefs about george soros with that link i sent you on another post, have a go at some climate change research on Ivar Giaever and Piers Corbyn ;)
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Climate change is a fact! Because globle warming went on sabbatical in 2000.

But seriously, scientists who go against the theory just don't get funding for research. And those who dare are outright dismissed, no matter that the evidence backs them.
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You'd think the big oil and coal companies would be chomping at the bit to pay for research that backs massive fossil fuel use and can prove it causes no damage. They'd be all over that kind of "evidence" if anyone could find something solid. They have a lot more money than some mysterious fund that backs the science going back decades.
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There is a reason big oil stopped paying for research. I have a friend that lost a government grant, because his research numbers did not match the outcome that they were looking for. He was told that his analysis was flawed and that they were cutting his funding. If the knew the answer, then why pay for research?
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Sources of funding are not secret. The motive you mentioned would cause any findings to be dismissed.
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We seem to be coming from two completely different viewpoints about the basic work and function of science. I understand why you might feel as you do, but we could stay at this for hours, and I'm not up for that. I'm going to agree to disagree for now.
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You have no understanding how I feel, and feelings are irrelevent when it comes to facts.

Scroll above to my Col Sanders for a clue where I'm coming from.
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If they have evidence to support their claims, they would get funding for research, and their results would be embraced by the scientific community. Just because someone's ideas aren't funded or accepted, that doesn't mean they are being burked.
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Not if it goes against the generally accepted consensus.

Humans are like that. Swap religions, even with science, and prefabricated paradigms still steer them on their myopic way.

Global Warming was redubbed Climate Change because our road to Venus's twin came to a halt in 1999, but that didn't change the propaganda.

A couple of years ago it became public that British researchers/Global Warming proponents fudged and omitted data that didn't fit with the biased narrative.

Climate changes over Earth's history, whether millions of years or even recent decades, not only make the claims questionable at best but ignore a curious phenomenom - that this interglacial period has been far COOLER than those previous, and there's no reason to account for it.

This is seen in other sciences, such as the (bogus) avian dinosaur theory (I really meant to get to that meme, now it's late) to cultural anthropology (we've discussed that before) which is still pagued by a Euro-centric bias - for crying out loud, Europe is STILL classified as a separate continent! The high preists of geography won't let reality get in on even that one yet,,,
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When you say the avian dinosaur theory is bogus...?
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I didn't, was planning to, but the meme was already headed back down, then was gone.
I still haven't gotten around to reading most of it, just skimmed through quickly.

It was the thing about Caucasions in Asia and North Africa I had discussed late last year (as Jack)
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Do you not believe birds are related to dinosaurs?

When you say "as jack", were you jackhenoff?
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Typed a whole thing last night, my tablet lost it, it was way late and I was pissed, so,,,

The alleged relation is based on a superficial similarities. Birds predate therapods by 70 million years, and you can't be older than your ancestor. Feathers on the first two therapods indentified as having them turned out to be faked. The "But the ones after are legit" line seems weak.
Studies of dolphin corpses decaying in mud showed branching filaments of fungus extending outwards into it which bear a striking resemblance to these 'feather' imprints.
Not saying this all totally rules out feathers - crocodilians have a gene necessary in making them too, indicating that prehistoric non-aquatic types may possibly have had them as well.

But then there is the pelvis. Therapods are saurischians (also including the big long necked sauropods) - reptile hipped dinosaurs. Ornithischians (horned dinos, duck billed, etc) are bird hipped, as their name means. But a lumbering elephant sized creature as ancestral to sprightly lithe birds somehow is inconcievable.

There's a crescent shaped carpal bone therapods and birds seem to share, but that turned out to be different bones evolved to look similar because of a bent wrist. Their wrists are bent at different angles also.

Basically it's superficial similarities resulting from convergent evolution. Effigia was once classed as a therapod as well, till distinctive ankle bones peculiar to crocodilians revealed it to be in that order, not a dinosaur at all.

Then there's protoavis, which looks like a more advance bird that archaeopteryx, only it lived 75 million years prior, round the dawn of the dinosaurs. So definitely not a theropod, and very possibly not even a dinosaur. Problem with that creature is that there are questions if it might have been cobbled from different species, its bones having been found jumbled together in a deposit.
Checking up on the latest on that, I found one source stating three specimens have been found. However, all the rest said there was only one, so who knows. The skull was more birdlike in terms of eye orbits and an jointed upper jaw, unlike therapods...

I figured you knew that was me. My tagline also indicates it.
I retired that because I like Modda better, and that was abndoned too long. Jack was originally just for the occasional political or religious debate, so it can get downvoted and trolled while I went about regular stuff as Modda, but then it took over,,,
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I'm tired right now, so I'll have to screenshot your comment and study it later on :) I've been under the impression that modern birds evolved from feathered dinosaurs.

Honestly, I had no idea you were jack :0
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Dude, no need for an extensive reply on that, it's just little details on the fringes I've picked up over the years. The general consesus dismisses much of it, and I admit that something like protoavis is flimsy. Even me looking for updates on protoavis was a headache, and I had a head start on it, so I don't want to be a hassle. Hell, for all we know, dinosaurs are descended from early birds!

If you can link me to that bird/dino link, that would be cool enough, as I should have posted this there.

Yeah, c'est moi. Figured my dull meandering run ons and sometimes seemingly contradictory stances on various issues was a giveaway. Plus my tagline, but can't count on everyone looking at that,,, Sorry about that.
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I don't have the link, unfortunately. I think it was a Bill Nye meme about Jurassic Park. I left the American Chopper Argument meme comment about birds and dinosaurs.

"Figured my dull meandering run ons and sometimes seemingly contradictory stances on various issues was a giveaway"

Haha, good point! :)
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I totally agree. I get so frustrated that politics keep us from having objective, intelligent conversations about issues, and "climate change" (I believe) is the best example. I don't give a hoot whether it's true or not. We need to be responsible stewards of our resources and home. The way it's used is like bad parenting. If you guys don't cut it out... It's going to get really hot in 10 years!
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I agree. I think we'd have better politicians if we could get the lobbies away from the politicians, and work together on common sense laws that clean things up and don't make the problem worse. It's not our job to educate anyone else in this forum, though.
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Awareness of other types of pollution is minimized and sidelined by the focus on climate change. While remedies may cover other manifestations of pollution, any data countering the theory makes it more susceptible to skepticism and thus further inaction. An over reliance on industry as the main culprit in effect offers individuals additional oppurtunity to shirk personal responsibility. Likes on a Facebook page and a $25 tax deductable donation are feel good responses with no sacrifice and impact.
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Actually, no.

Firstly, because the people make a scientific consensus are actual scientists who are qualified to study and make a scientific consensus on such things, whereas most of the prominent individuals challenging the scientific consensus on climate change are politicians, not scientists, and also, totally coincidentally, I'm sure, happen to have received large donations from fossil fuel companies.

Secondly, because the United States is, as far as I know, the only first world country with a major political party that denies climate change, and it also just so happens to be one of the least educated, especially in the areas where climate change denialism runs rampant.

Thirdly, and finally, why in the hell would it be "politically-based"? What would be the political advantage of lying about global warming, and who would gain from people believing it?
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I take it you didn't read anything in the thread? There's multiple examples of non-politician scientists given in the posts above you that argue with climate change. And you can claim we're the least educated all you like, it doesn't change the fact that we lead in nearly every scientific field, and Europe is STILL trying to catch up to achievements we made fifty years ago. The political advantage? You don't think clean energy corporations lobby politicans the same way big oil does? Swapping one massive corporate interest for another under the guise of protecting the planet doesn't get rid of their greed.
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but they have to argue with these nitwits - https://skepticalscience.com/skepticquotes.php
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And look at that. All but one are Republicans. What a shock.
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I did see Al Gore show his face over the weekend. Where was he when we had 72 months between hurricanes a couple of years ago. Plus, if global warming research was such a slam dunk, why are they falsifying the research to look worse. I know the answer, money.
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References?
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start here...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXxHfb66ZgM

Ivar Giaever, nobel prize winner in physics, was the first scientist to be invited to participate in the "let's sell man-made global warming to the public" hoax. he quit as soon as he read their "science" reports and has been a staunch campaigner against the hoax ever since.
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“The scientific evidence is really overwhelming. Most experts agree; maybe two or three in 100 disagree.” He added, “I know who they are and why they are wrong.” Anticipating the next speaker, Ivar Gieavaer,
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that's odd, sounds exactly what Ivar Giaever says about them! and considering mr Giaever was the first scientist asked to be part of the hoax, "they" seem to have more faith in him

I like how your quote wasn't sourced. was it by a scientist of Ivar Giaever's calibre?
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“The warming of the climate system is unequivocal,” - yea, all the other nobel laureates - https://www.webcitation.org/68uPG5mAT?url=http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2012/07/02/lindau-nobel-laureate-meeting-from-the-big-bang-to-the-big-controversy-a-k-a-climate-change/
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from the very next paragraph...

[Giaever] called agreement with the evidence of climate change a “religion.” In contrast to...Molina, Gieavar found the measurement of the global average temperature rise of 0.8 degrees over 150 years remarkably unlikely to be accurate, because of the difficulties with precision for such measurements.....He disagreed that carbon dioxide was involved and showed several charts that asserted...that climate had even cooled.

“I pick and choose when I give this talk just the way the previous speaker picked and chose when he gave his talk,” he added.

He finished with a pronouncement: “Is climate change pseudoscience? If I’m going to answer the question, the answer is: absolutely.”"

**** Also, note...

Molina: "critics aren’t usually the experts. Listening to them...is like going to your dentist when you have a heart problem"

Now, I don't know about you when I find two experts arguing and one resorts to ad-hominem...I tend to side with the other
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dentist for a heart problem huh? you know what Gievers field is right? smh
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yeah he's a physicist...is that a problem? He was the first actual scientist to be invited onto the hoax panel when they set up...didn't bother them that he was a physicist. it was with a bunch of other physicists that he designed a little experiment to show how ridiculous the climate change claims are. If you don't know the experiment i mean, do some actual research....and don't stop just because you find a quote that echoes your misplaced belief....the experiment involves a 20 foot square room and a box of matches ;)
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dude, you want to believe that smoking is good for you, the earth is flat, and climate change is not real, knock yourself out. Be 5th dentist that does not recommend sugar free gum. whatever. deniers have all been debunked. Here is an experiment for you, fill two class jars , one with air, one with co2 and methane, put a thermometer in them and let em sit in the sun for an hour. Let us know the different temps.
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Your quips cracked me up, but other than that, I disagree.
The fact that it was changed from Global Warming to Climate Change was because the overall warming pattern ceased, then reversed somewhat.

The jar experiment would yeild the same temps for both, since it's not the ability of those gases to warm up, but rather it's how they can trap more heat in the atmosphere they're mixed in. In effect, sort like they become the jar,,,

I'm actually all for most steps taken to minimize it since they would intend to prevent pollution in general as well. Problem is by making that the main focus, weather trends counter to the theory can turn the public off to doing something. Also, since they can lay much blame on industry, it becomes an excuse for inaction on a personal level.
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go check out the 20ft square room experiment...see how your arguments stand up against every physicist on the planet
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"I am not really terribly interested in global warming. Like most physicists I don't think much about it. But in 2008 I was in a panel here about global warming and I had to learn something about it. And I spent a day or so - half a day maybe on Google, and I was horrified by what I learned. And I'm going to try to explain to you why that was the case."

That quote comes from a presentation Giaever gave to the 62nd Meeting of Nobel Laureates in 2012, for some unknown reason on the subject of climate change. As Giaever notes at the beginning of his talk, he has become more famous for his contrarian views on global warming than for his Nobel Prize, which have made him something of a darling to the climate contrarian movement and climate denial enablers.

for the sake of your planet. stop listening to crackpots - https://www.skepticalscience.com/news.php?n=1529&p=2
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99 out of 100 "physicists" call your argument bullshit.
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<yea thats what the crackpot said, so what?>

Nobel Prize winner in Physics, reads science report, describes it as "pseudo-science"...and you're telling me "he's" the crackpot

okay, seems legit
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yea thats what everyone else at that meeting you quote said, you know, the on with all the other physicists, are you to inept to simply read the link to the meeting I left you? You are obviously to inept to look anything up on your own. --- try again.. ffs - https://www.skepticalscience.com/news.php?n=1529&p=2
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again...you need to stop stopping your research when you find something that appeals to your misconception of a subject.

If you go on to listen to the whole thing, Giaever goes on to explain what happened when he saw the "science" in their reports. hence why he now refers to it as "pseudo-science...at best"
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yea thats what the crackpot said, so what?
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for the last time...there were no other scientists, physicists or otherwise, on board when Giaever was invited to join the board. he was the first scientist to join the board. he was the only scientist on the board. he was the only one qualified to read their "science" reports...his conclusion was that it was not "science". there were no other scientists involved because HE WAS THE ONLY SCIENTIST THERE....every time i write that i get the weirdest sensation of deja vu...probably cos i musta written it a hundred f**king times now and you still can't get it!

seriously dude, what colour is the sky in your world?
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He was the only scientist there..... yea right, the only scientist in a convention of nobel scientists.............. you freaking moron - Meetings
Once every year, about 30 Nobel Laureates convene in Lindau to meet the next generation of leading scientists: 500-600 undergraduates, PhD students, and post-doc researchers from all over the world. The Lindau Nobel Laureate Meetings foster the exchange among scientists of different generations, cultures, and disciplines
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LOL
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You said the crackpot was the only one there.... the only scientist in a meeting of scientists..... you are an idiot. you just proved it ... thanks, though I proved it posts ago.
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You are an idiot. Carry on with your flat earth theories. You fan of L Ron Hubbard too?
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You're insane b**ch LMFAO ????????
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LOL.
But, seriously, I have been using the same 3 cups and straws for 2.5 years. And before that I reused foam cups and the same straw often 7 times or more. Able to double-cup without any guilt. (because the 2nd cup was used 5-10 times)
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Considering the lies being told about juvenile justice reform, I'd be inclined to believe you. Most 'research' is horrificly biased and rarely replicated. Politics plays a huge role. Before he went completely off the deep end, the media asked Ben Carson if he thought climate change was real. He said, "What difference does it make? We all want clean air, clean water." It makes more sense to me to solve the problem than to try to win the argument. I believe that some climate change is occurring, but I don't believe what they say we must do about it because climate change is also an industry.
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Yikes, that's long. Sorry!
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Being long is not the problem. Being wrong is. You are.
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That'd be easier to believe if it wasn't coming from you - Your opinions tend to veer into crazy town, and often. Plz tell me more about how spending billions to influence political elections is good for "democracy". Then you and the Russians can sit down and swap notes.
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It's one of those things that's really more complicated than pulling out a quote here or a statistic there. Much as I like a lot of your memes, this one's a bit "out there".
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While having his main mansion rewired for renewables, he decided to expand the place so much that it now uses far more juice from the grid than before.

Embarrassed by the news, he decided to make up for it by donating a whopping $25 million to his favorite Global Warming charity. Coincidentally, he chairs said company. Coincidentally, he owns it as well.
Yup! Al Gore made a $25,000,000 tax deductable donation to himself! (Sure beats 10 Hail Marys!)

He is the major shareholder in the largest carbon credits market company in the world, and has made millions.

It has been said that he will become the first billionaire off this scam.

Global Climate Changewhatever's main 'solution' is a new commodities market. It's all about buying and selling carbon credits assigned to corps based on how much they are within a mandated range of pollution production.
Yes, kiddies, buying and selling pollution is now a thing.

And we thought the Derivatives Market was bad,,,
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i'd suggest including Ivar Giaever and Piers Corbyn for a balanced coverage of your own research. both are very prominent scientists who aren't bound by funding to keep quiet about climate change
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dailycaller.com/2014/01/02/botched-global-warming-expedition-finally-rescued-from-polar-ice/
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they only real information for climate change.
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i'd tell you, that you're wrong, next!
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Actually, there is a sceientific consensus that it I'd occurring.
There is not a concensus about the rate it is occurring.
There is not a concensus about the cause (man made, man accelerated, or natural part of the planets cycle).
There is not a consensus about how, or even if, it can be stopped or even slowed by man changing it's habits.
Even many of the most optimistic estimates say that if we could get the entire planet (not just the U.S.) to reduce our output to pre industrial carbon footprint levels we would only delay the onset by about 100 years.
Meanwhile many of the "solutions would have imediate consequences of driving people into poverty. Paticularlly in countries that are developing. So the solutions would kill people NOW (not so much in the US, but in developing countries, the U.S. would merely see an increase in poverty) rather than having us as a species adapt (and we can adapt) later.
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Man burning fossil fuels is making CO2 go up in the atmosphere and in the oceans.
Historically, CO2 has lagged temperature rise and then provided conditions for further temperature rise.
The isotopes for carbon show that the CO2 entering the atmosphere are from plant based material, trees, oil, fossil fuel.
In searching for articles relating "climate change" and "poverty" without "living in poverty" yields many, many results talking about climate change pushing another 100M people into poverty.
Further, changing a large section of our energy source from fossil fuels(single use batteries) to renewable(using energy from the sun) would shift demand for jobs from fossil fuels to renewable technologies. Painful, yes, but where's the comprehensive look at how that would drive people into poverty?
How catastrophic would 220 feet of sea level rise be? Estimates show this much rise is possible given the planet's ice. Ice ages have pushed levels down as much as 500 feet from today's levels.
Man's ability to alter this path may be tied to our ability to take carbon(and other GHG) from the air/oceans and reflect solar insolation.
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https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/tobacco-and-oil-industries-used-same-researchers-to-sway-public1/
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i.imgflip.com/224sin.jpg (click to show)
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Yes, that says warithfull :P
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The interpreted CO2 levels of the last 600,000 years has not been as high as it is now. It is still rising now. How should we interpret that?
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Socrates. I need to know if you will rise up as a gamer?
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and that's the actual problem,.But people who do not know what a pH and its impact are will not have any idea what this means (and I guess there are many around).
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The rise of CO2 in the atmosphere is driving the rise of CO2 in the oceans. It's a GHG, so it is about global warming.
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Yeah, sure. But the warming of the atsmosphere could abruptly stop and even be returned e.g. by the ourbrake of a big vulcano. It's much more difficult, to return the los of basicity ot the oceans. That' s why that is the much more dangerous consequence of too much CO2 in the atmosphere..
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If the ocean warms enough, it will start losing CO2. That would drive atmospheric CO2 higher. We could see sea level rise around 220 ft. Would Florida even exist then?
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If it warms enough! The deeper ocean layers with their huge storage capacity are rather cold, so that would happen only at the surfcace.for a long time. Anyway, no matter how you look at it, it is out of question that humanity cannot go on to produce huge amounts CO2 any longer. if they don't want to get the planet completely out of balance. I think we agree on that.
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Upvote. So true, so very true!
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https://youtu.be/DIXQXb5iAg4
They aren't waiting till the future though, they can do it now
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HAARP doesn't control weather. And chemtrails are bullshit.
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But it can be used to modify weather also there is NEXRAD and if believing chemtrails are bullshit helps you sleep better at night then suit yourself
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I don't believe chemtrails are bullshit so I can sleep better at night. I believe they are bullshit because people who say they are real haven't proven their case. Huge difference.
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https://youtu.be/8K99X9cC5LA
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If you believe we can cause man made climate change unintentionally with pollution who's to say we can't do it intentionally? I guess they have to flat out admit it on national television? The airforce has admitted they can modify the weather since the early 50's.
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yes we can seed clouds , thats not controlling weather, and "weather" and "climate" are two different things. If they could control the 'weather' , we would not have hurricanes and typhoons and floods., unless of course the people who control the hurricanes and typhoons, just hate and want to kill most the world. then maybe. But then it seems maybe watching the kingsman with samual jackson a few too many times.
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Never seen that movie but anyway there is lots of dots to connect, the world is ran by empathyless psychopaths.
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Another paid actor, compartmentalized paid actors. Plus they aren't in government or the military they would have nothing to do with weather modifucation.
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The two vids I posted show that weather modification are real one of them had a mainstream scientist Michio Kaku, just because you're not open minded doesn't mean it's not true.
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If you could at least question what some guy in a lab coat tells you before condemning that would be great.

I guess no one can get paid to lie right?
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Compartmenatlization takes care of lots of that.
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A paid actor
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Not what I said at all.
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Are you assuming that chemtrails and vapor trails are the same?
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You'd be screamed at, called a "science denier," and be blamed as the cause for the next hurricane
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