Make up your minds!

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https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/police-shootings-2018/?utm_term=.c54333c01f71

yeah you can get your lies out of here, plz.

I have no problem with a non violent protest but when you put yourself in a position like that where your message can get lost, it will! Should have done it off the field and would have probably gotten a better response and more traction towards their cause!

No...people would have objected to any thing black people do, and called them thugs. Mostly nonviolent black protests way overshadowed by angry black protests which were less frequent but got much more press. If police and courts become more fair and equitable in meting out justice for minorities, then the protests will have had their positive effect.

I actually mostly agree with you for once. The sensationalism from the press is what is driving all the animosity. And I fully agree that the judicial system needs an overhaul!

It may sound like a cliche, but I do have a lot of black friends. And they say they go places in their cars, or walking, where they have a right to be, and they get stopped by law enforcement for nothing, literally nothing. They also get refused service, or asked to leave unfairly. I have friends also who only get news from Fox, and when I am at their homes, I usually see clips of angry black protestors, angry black preachers, angry activists, etc. I can understand why people are polarized.

I don’t know if it has anything to do with local.. I too have many black friends and we have had many a heated debate but in regards to being treated unfairly I think I can maybe count 1-3 instances where any one of them has said they were treated that way. I live in nj in a super affluent community and nothing like that is even an issue.

This form of protest is literally the DEFINITION of peaceful and respectful demonstration. But hey, maybe you prefer wanton destruction and mayhem in your protests? Personally, I think that the kneelers should find another way to make their statement because the current headline is that they are protesting the flag and the anthem. "Anthem Protesters" is the current nomenclature. They're protesting perceived racial bias in the justice and enforcement systems, and in certain RARE instances, they have a point, and people wind up dead who really should be alive today. They're not protesting American iconography, so they need to shift the nature of their protests to make sure the true message they wish to convey is heard.

NFL players were sitting during the anthem until a retired marine told them that it was disrespectful and that they should kneel instead.

Correct. Colin was originally sitting before the anthems as a peaceful demonstration, but he voluntarily changed his behavior to something more respectful (and encouraged others to do so as well). Now, though, there is too much talk about the action, and not enough about the message, meaning it's no longer a productive method, and something else should be found.

NFL players kneeling during the National Anthem is not disrespecting the flag. The flag stands for free speech. Actions like this which trip your personal emo inner child's triggers, do not necessarily equate to some truth which you'd like to see. Responsible humans question emotion or they're dishonest.

Why didn't they do it during the Obama years ? Our new 3 party system , Republican , Democrat and NeverTrumpers .

Trump started making noise about it in September of 2017, a full year after the protests had started, and WELL AFTER THEY HAD PEAKED. In fact, until he made it an issue, most of the kneelers had stopped because they realized the furor had died away. So, Trump essentially fanned the flames and created drama.

I noticed a shift in favor of black issues during Obama. Idk why Kapernick picked now.

it was his only way to stay relevant as a half-rate player

Seriously Octavia? I’m a baby boomer and I thought H2O is a young guy. We may be on different sides of the political fence, but I always respected you for being reasonable and fair. When did you start throwing out conspiracy theory hand grenades?

The liberal media isnt even trying to hide it now.
Trump 2020

That's a funny picture.

Haha thanks. I thought so too

speaking of logic, i'm curious in what way did the media "demand that we respect the flag" to honor a vet? and also in what way did they "celebrate" the NFL protest? is not automatically labeling it "disrespectful to the flag" considered a celebration? is filming it a celebration? what was there to celebrate?? i'm pretty sure nothing happened because of it except that Kaepernick has never played since and other players now have to risk getting fined if they want to continue it.

Hate is all it was ever about

Truth is truth, regardless of what you think about it. It's not about the flag.

It's all about hating President Trump , but they're all too cowardly to admit it .

Some of the richest people in the country are protesting because the country is systematically against them and rigged for just white people? yet they are richer than more than 80% of the whites in the country and get to be paid millions for playing a GAME. They are spoiled, already overpaid athletes who just want more attention.

Wait, are you saying that just because THEY'RE not getting a raw deal, they should ignore those that are? How horrible would this world be if everyone who wasn't suffering ignored everyone who was. You realize that kneelers are multi racial, right?

You know he's not even in the NFL, and hasn't been since Trump started publicly flaming the NFL over the anthem protests last September, right?

That's his own fault . He had a contract with the 49ers that he walked away from because they wouldn't guarantee a starting job .

Of course it is about the flag. Otherwise they would of protested on the off-season.
They didn't.
:'(
Check
&
Mate

Still a >checkmate

All of America's problems didn't exist before 2016 ?

what are you under 15?

No I’m 16 lol as if.. not sure where you’re going with that image? They’re from 2008

Not only will he known as the president who did the least for this country but his legacy will be one of trying to destroy this country! You just go right on and jump on that apology train with the loser!

I show you the headlines from 2008 and you still mock obamas job creation, you are an ass and a moron.

Lowest gdp in history, highest poverty rate, highest food stamp/welfare rate, etc etc. show those bs job creation numbers through the rust belt and those folks will show you plenty of pink slips! WAKE UP!!! And I’m an ass and a moron?? How many businesses shut down because of his policies? Oh and yes lest we forget his policies had children put in cages. So you go right on ahead and worship a failure and an embarrassment while the rest of this country continues to pull up and out of the muck left by your garbage President.

wow still crying like a little baby about your "doctor'? well now you have none dumbass

Created millions of jobs and saved the financial meltdown and got bin laden, and you whine about a 'dr'...what a moron

You mean made millions of jobs disappear with the oppressive regulations he levied, helped add to the financial meltdown! Added trillions to the deficit, need I add that what he added was more than all previous presidents combined! I have my dr and the lies he pulled hurt millions of people and the care they received because of him! And that whole Bin Laden thing that’s all a lie! No pictures didn’t happen!! I mean come on and wake the hell up man!! If you just captured/killed the USA/worlds biggest threat and enemy you would have that shown around the world?? Wear it like a badge of honor? I mean they televised Hussein’s hanging and he wasn’t even blip on the radar anymore!

Where do you get this stuff from "The RUSSIAN Propaganda Weekly" ?

yes, russia puts out the jobs numbers. jfc are you really that moronic?

They're just as obsessed as you are !

Of course they are...they just don't tend to get the camera time that they do the rest of the year. And before you say, "Who cares what celebs think?"...realize that you would make the same effort to sway the world to your opinions given half the opportunity. Most people would, which is why there are so many political memes on what's supposed to be a website filled with funny stuff...

But they dont protest during the offseason. Some of them get on award shows and bash president trump, but as far as a real protest. Nah.
The amount of players who kneel vs the Mount of players who protest during the off season.
Not even a discussion.

You really need to do some more research. First off, the kneeling started before Trump was elected. Secondly, in week 1 of the 2017 season, only 8 players either knelt, sat, or held fists in the air during the anthem. It was dying off until President Trump cast more light on the actions, which gave them the voice they were seeking. Third, most of these peaceful demonstrators are vocal about their cause year in/year out (such as Eric Reid, Malcolm Butler, & Michael Bennett). However, they're now being asked their reaction to the latest thing Trump has said on the subject, and that's all that makes the headlines (which seems to be all that you read).

Seriously, do your homework.

Seriously TODAY the only reason they do it is to bash trump.
Basically colin met a muslim DJ, married her, now he hates america.
Do your research.

Colin isn't in the NFL, and hasn't been for more than a year. So, other than the fact that he started the movement (prior to Trump becoming President!), his comments are null and void. I just gave you several examples of current year in/year out activists, and you give me someone who hasn't been in the game for quite awhile.

HOW MANY PROTESTS HAVE THEY BEEN TO?

Just LOOK a little: ericreid35.com (he created a foundation for this very thing...he promotes it, gives speeches, etc.), malcolmjenkins27.com (he created a foundation, has worked with police forces and congressmen for reform, etc.), Michael Bennett has been vocal for awhile and freaking wrote a book! This took me barely any time to look up.

I'm beginning to doubt that you're willing to do any research yourself, and just searching for the other voices in your echo chamber...

Oh so 4 or 5 players out of hundreds.
Point taken....
F**king idiot.

No, just the ones that came instantly to mind, difference makers at their positions. ALSO, I only took a couple of minutes, and found all of that. ALSO, these were in the handful of guys who were continuing to protest at the start of the 2017 season, before Trump made it the issue it is today. ALSO, hundreds of players aren't protesting.

There's a lot you have to ignore to make your statement above.

Shut the f**k up.
You hate America I get it.

Actually, I truly love this country, and I suggest that the players move to something else that is more consistent with their actual concern, which in RARE instances is warranted (and in those instances, we often enough have dead people who didn't deserve to die. You don't bounce back from death).

I can love this country without agreeing that it is completely faultless. Wasn't that Trump's whole platform, fixing the problems in America. Make America Great AGAIN?

god you take stupid to new lows

You missed the point completely lol.
Youd think if they believed in this so much they'd protest outside of football. The fact that you think the only form of protest is taking a knee is ridiculously funny to me.
You have a special kind of mental disorder.

Protests are supposed to be public events, noticeable to all. Pro football players get cameras pointed at them for football games, so it's easy for them to make a very public display (they get mileage out of it). When they do other things, the cameras tend to be missing, so it's much harder to get any traction. It doesn't make headlines, so people like you don't hear about it. There's a reason this is the most recognizable version of protesting in the US, and here we are talking about it!

Since this meme is specifically about anthem kneeling, I'm not sure why you're so hung up on the other types of protesting in which many of them DO currently engage.

actually several of them have worked in their communities to help others in the off season. The protests are when they can be seen, which is the point of the protests. It's to say that the people they represent are not being granted the same level of freedom and safety in the criminal justice system.

And that's what they should be doing helping.
If you didnt read what I said I'll say it again.
They dont PROTEST during the offseason, only during tv time, when it's time to disrespect the flag.
Cmon fella keep up.

Many (not several, not few) DO protest in the off season. It doesn't take long to research and find this out. Truth is truth, regardless of your opinion of it...