elephant in the room

And why don't States give them at birth like other countries do?

Many would need to travel 250 miles to get the ID.

If you’re a registered voter, you should already have ID

Is that true? Have you checked? Last time I checked some states only require a SSN as ID as well as address and such..

Most states require some form of identification or proof of address to register to vote. You can do so at the same time you are issued a drivers license or other state ID. Many will accept the same type of proof as ID when you vote but you still have to be registered, thus, use the same ID that was used when you registered.

That's ridiculous. You should have just said a million miles.

Why would I say a million? 250 miles is the number given by someone who knows how many Department of Motor Vehicles are in the state, in the counties, and how far people would have to travel to reach a DMV. The law is intended to sound reasonable so that the public buys it and is intended to reduce voters that would not vote Republican.

250 miles? you can get an ID from virtually anywhere in a state. Where the f**k are these people you are worried about? Nome?

Would you support this bill if it allocated resources to drive people to and from the DMV with no cost to them in order to help people get IDs? Or in case a person doesn't have the health for this trip, that it be arranged for someone to come to them to get them identification?

I would support the bill regardless. I think the argument that people can't get a government Id is nonsense

I directed that question to jaden169, because he does believe that some people will be denied the right to vote.

I would support this bill if there even appeared to be more voter fraud. The claim isn't "can't get a government id", the claim is difficulty in getting an id will probably convince some to skip the ID and skip voting. Being "denied the right to vote" is too strong of language, the argument is raising the difficulty sufficiently enough as to convince some people to not try. And the claim that this bill is intended to reduce the voter fraud rate of 2 in 46,000,000 is ridiculous.

If you are too lazy to get an Id you probably should not be voting anyways. Your argument is that the ability of people who don't care enough to vote shouldn't be inconvenienced?

Is you opinion that people who vote should be inconvenienced?

Several states were on a pre-clearance list. They had been found to be acting against the constitution in ways that limit voters and predominantly affect minorities or the poor. The author of the opinion from the SCOTUS argued that a state does not even need to have evidence of voter fraud before passing a bill to prevent "voter fraud". The subsequent actions by states on the former pre-clearance states and some other states was swift. Many watchdogs are crying foul after estimating the effect of bills without a "cause" as the bills appear to predominantly affect minorities and poor. By rational reasoning, you are defending people who would prevent other people to vote on the calculation that it will help their party win more seats/elections/offices.

No, I am advocating for identification because that is sensible. Your argument against it is essentially that some people will find it too inconvenient to bother. Tough shit. I find paying taxes inconvenient, that doesn't stop it from being a requirement. I find speed limits or red lights inconvenient sometimes, yet don't get to ignore those. If someone decides an inconvenience is going to stop them from voting that is a CHOICE. Though tbh this entire debate is absolutely rediculous because you are essentially calling minorities too lazy to do what hundreds of millions of other Americans do. The level of subconscious racism is staggering

That's a made up statistic, which is obvious even to those who have no logic because it is expressed incorrectly mathematically. In California alone there are 11 counties that have more registered voters than residents of voting age. Voter fraud is massive in this country with tens of thousands of deceased voting in every election. If you believe that every vote counts, this should be a much bigger issue than somewhere, someone might be inconvenienced by something that 99.998% of all adults in this country have gone through.

Chairman Tom Perez said as a candidate :

"I've spent a substantial portion of my life doing these cases at (the) Department of Justice," Perez said at the debate. "Let me give you some facts and figures. We sued Texas, and we won. And we won, because over a 10-year period, 46 million votes were cast -- zero, count them, zero reported incidents of illegal noncitizen voting, two incidents of in-person voter fraud, (out of) 46 million votes cast.
- [then] Candidate to chair the Democratic National Committee, Chairman Tom Perez
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/feb/24/thomas-perez/texas-drive-120-miles-voter-id/

Here is a page that sources information from other stories as well as doing their own digging on some of the facts. They claim the number of citizens who may have to drive over 120 miles (I see the difference) to a nearest place to get a license is quite small, maybe thousands. They also claim that there were 2 cases of in person voter fraud out of 46,000,000 (est). They also claim there is no record of any non-citizen persons casting a ballot. There is mention of the partisanship, but they do not focus on that. So, founded, but small.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/feb/24/thomas-perez/texas-drive-120-miles-voter-id/

How about not making laws that purposefully sound reasonable that are only useful for restricting voting.

In some states the government will send people to your house to make an ID for you, but I guess restricting illegal voting is somehow not an issue. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrBxZGWCdgs

I dont think voter ID is too much to ask, its the only way to stop fakes.My cousin was a victim of it.

You can't buy a gun from a Federal Firearms Licensed dealer without one. And those states that are not Constitutional Carry require a permit or license to carry them.

I'm curious as to what state one would need to travel 250 miles to get an ID...

There isn't one. Any town with a DMV could help you, which is pretty much all of them. This whole argument is rediculous. Sorry, but the US isn't Russia where we have nomads living on the steppe that have no access to modern tech or can't reach somewhere that does

I haven't seen 250 miles. I cannot say that is true. There is a lower number of about 167 miles.

So we looked at the situation in Terlingua. According to the Texas driver’s license handbook, the closest driver’s license office to Terlingua is in Alpine. According to Google Maps, that is 83.4 miles one way, or about 167 miles round trip. That’s an even longer distance than Perez had said.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/feb/24/thomas-perez/texas-drive-120-miles-voter-id/

So I just looked up the Texas ID cost. It's $16 for an ID that lasts 6 years. 18-24, 24-30, 30-36, and so on. What are you doing that you can't afford $16 once every 6 years, and why don't you have an identification card anyway? Well, I've drove through some small towns in Texas that were closing so I could see it.

Yeah... black people can get ID's. It's pretty racist to think they are somehow rendered incapable of getting a photo id because they are of color.

You need to look at how identity was tracked before the ID law and look at how difficult and costly(not just $) it will be for persons to get the ID. To form an opinion before that is to draw an uninformed conclusion.

In 2013, a ThinkProgress analysis found that while in every state you need proof of ID to vote, in 39 states you can buy an assault rifle at gun shows or online without a background check and with no proof of ID. About 40 percent of gun purchases in the United States happen through this “gun show loophole.”Feb 15, 2018
No ID? You can't vote in Florida, but you can buy a gun. – ThinkProgress
https://thinkprogress.org/easier-to-buy-gun-than-vote-095a34c11e02/
(You probably mean photo ID. All states use some form of ID to verify identity)

This is probably best argued around the idea of reasonable responsibility. If an owner fails to reasonable secure their firearm while children are around or when out of town, said owner could be liable if a child should discharge the firearm or if the weapon is stolen and used in a crime. Government may see it as reasonable to demand that vendors use photo ID to validate age and identity of the person before the sale of a gun. This does not infringe on the rights of a citizen to own a gun because if one can afford a gun, one can also afford to get a State issued photo ID card as well as travel to acquire an ID card. Because transportation is usually the most expensive part of voting, adding long distance travel costs and a fee to acquire a photo ID could leave some rightful voters choosing to buy food over going to vote. That would represent an undue burden or cost added to voting. (further, given social networks, some citizens could be gifted a gun and only later during some incident be challenged that they are of age and have met legal requirements in order to own a gun whereas one cannot vote for someone else.)

"assault rifle" That term actually applies to a class of gun that you need a special license to legally buy or own. You're likely think of the nebulous term assault weapon that basically means a rifle that looks scary. Anyway... https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/feb/22/viral-image/fact-checking-meme-id-requirements-buying-guns-vot/

You are right. I have cited a page with old data (2013) and a biased view of the issue. The term "assault rifle" is part of a quote from the article and is an indicator of the type of view the article is taking.

The second paragraph, I actually wrote, attempts to answer the question in the meme. It posits mostly hypothetical situations with little opinion on the loophole or what an "assault weapon" is.

What if you agree people should have an ID but the ID should be free to low cost and accessible?

Bingo.

Now take this logic further. If my proposal of cheap to free easy access IDs were a reality then people would have an ID to potentially get a gun. But this doesn't mean everyone should get a gun, i.e. violent offenders. It just affords everyone an equal opportunity.

Is $16 cheap? That's what is charged in texas. Also you're arguing a slippery slope fallacy.

I'm actually for voter IDs. However if voting is a right then I believe as stated they either need to be very cheap, or better yet free (especially if you're just getting an ID not a drivers license) as well as easy to access (meaning many locations throughout any sizable city).

How this relates to guns? It doesn't necessarily. They are apples and oranges. We need licenses to Drive which can potentially be deadly and I believe we should have licenses, including insurance, to own a gun in which it's ultimate use is to be deadly.