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"Discussing family planning" whateva makes you happy. You
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i.imgflip.com/2eo1ys.gif (click to show) A big up vote for lives
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The check is in the mail. I won't cum in your mouth. And I care for a clump of cells but indulging my emo butt hurt bullshit, then trying to force my personal failure to emo bullshit on others. Awww so sweet you care so deeply for the kidddies? How many have you adopted? Do you support welfare? No, no, no yet a new generation of dipshits fool themselves again. Stop picking your nose and find a grown up who can explain to you how emotion clouds our judgment. lol
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2 ups, 1 reply
You must be a republican for saying that?
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4 ups, 1 reply
Someone doesn't have to follow any specific political party in order to recognize the scientific fact that human life begins at conception.
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0 ups, 1 reply
Yes they do, since life begins at birth, or what the dictionary calls "the beginning of life."
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1 up, 1 reply
Actually, they don't. I know many libertarians who recognize the characteristics of biological life (consumption, growth, etc.) which are present at conception.
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0 ups, 1 reply
You can argue with the dictionary all you want. Take it up with Webster, not with me. Talk about the characteristics of life all you want. Actual life begins at Birth. That's how Webster defines it. That's how Merriman defines it. That's how the Supreme Court defines it.

Look, colon cancer shows the characteristics of life. Growth, consumption, yada yada yada. Colon cancer is not life.
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Colon cancer lacks its own unique genetic code, and is instead a part of a person. You can kill the cancer while maintaining the holistic integrity of the person. Meanwhile, a zygote is its own human being, with a unique genetic code and all the qualities of biological life.
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0 ups, 1 reply
Incorrect sir. Colon cancer has its own unique genetic code, a mutation of the host's code.
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You make a good point. Of course, one could argue that a mutation of the host's genetic code still belongs to the host as a derivative of the host's code (whereas a fertilized zygote has additional information from the other parent. However, such a line of thinking reeks of copyright ideas, and could theoretically justify the killing of even grown children under mutual consent of both parents).

Another key distinction to make between cancer and the unborn is that cancer is usually life-threatening, and can be killed as an act of defense
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4 ups, 4 replies
Planned Parenthood does discuss family planning and provide birth control.
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Providing counseling to help a pregnant woman come to terms with the decision to abort isn't what people think of when they think of "discussing family planning". And they may provide birth control, but each branch also has a monthly quota of abortions they have to meet, because all those stem cells they harvest are sweet, sweet money in the bank.

Also, something they /don't/ provide, that PP supporters constantly claim they do, is mammograms.
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5 ups, 2 replies
Yeah, but mostly murdering innocent children that never had a chance at life.
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4 ups, 4 replies
A fetus is not a baby. An embryo is not a baby. A zygote is not a baby. A blastocyst is not a baby.
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4 ups, 3 replies
Because embryology is a thing? If babies are babies from the beginning, please tell me what species this is.
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5 ups, 1 reply
So because there's a stage of human life that looks like another "specie's" early statges of life, that means something significant? I would agree that an embryo is not a "baby" only in the same sense that a toddler is not an adult. That doesn't mean that an embryo is not human. Does that make sense to you?
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3 ups, 3 replies
I never said an embryo wasn't human. The issue isn't whether it's human. The issue is whether it has personhood.

I don't consider what is quite literally a blob of cells at that stage of development to be a "person"
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5 ups, 6 replies
Your made up qualification of "personhood" is a red herring. I probably shouldn't have even responded to your attempt to change the debate to be about "personhood."

Now back on topic, that "blob of cells" is still a human life even if you don't recognize it.
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3 ups, 2 replies
I agree that it's a human life
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Awesome, good conversation!
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Also, I upvoted your comment but it's still showing as zero. When I try to do it again, it actually showed -1ups... No bueno
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2 ups
That happens sometimes; it's just a minor glitch. Thank you. And I upvoted your comments as well. I was talking to a few different people on this topic, so I apologize if I can't remember who said what.
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2 ups, 1 reply
When does a human "start"?
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When a sperm fertilizes an egg. At that point, it's no longer two separate gametes.
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2 ups, 2 replies
If you ignore the personhood issue, then it only matters if it has human DNA, right? So by that logic, convicted murderers have human DNA, so you should be against the death penalty.

It's not a red herring to point out that there are two different issues at play here.
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False choice and strawman in same response. My argument wasn't that it "has human DNA." My argument is that it IS a human. That's a big difference. For example, sperm have human DNA, they are not human.

Also, death penalty topic is another red herring.
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False equivalency. Undeniably guilty, cold blooded murderers have given up their right to live through their actions. Aborted babies aren't even allowed the chance, let alone the right. What criminal actions do fetuses commit?
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1 up, 1 reply
Okay, and when does it start to have rights?
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Rights at that stage of life is a separate discussion that I don't have definitive thoughts on yet. Regardless, it's a human life.
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3 ups, 1 reply
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/201429

Fetuses cannot feel pain until about 29-30 weeks gestation. Any earlier than that and they don't feel any pain during the procedure, so why would they "scream"?
3 ups
I wouldn't bother with these people, they get their "science" from the Bible.
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3 ups, 4 replies
So I provide actual facts to back up what I say...you don't...and I'm the one with a mental disorder? Okay :)

All you do is say that liberalism is a mental disorder. That's all you say. You bring nothing intelligent to the conversation.
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You provide articles written by people who profit from abortion. Yeh, no lies or bias there.

Still pulling the same tricks, pathetic. You're brain dead, weak minded, and unable to break away from the brainwashing your overlords feed you.
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Rofl the article had to define pain! Same bs definition you find in all pro abortion crap.

It even admits its hard to determine if the baby feels pain. I guess having the baby lurch away over and over from the tools that end up killing it don't qualify as evidence.

No, pain does not require intelligence to feel. If I sit on a tack I don't go "hmm.. something has penetrated my skin. This makes me unhappy. Ouch!" I just go "ouch!". Zero thought process required.

An idiot knows pain is pain. It's the "intellectuals" that reclassify and redefine pain that have made pain suddenly a difficult topic.

Believe what you want, but quit spreading your bs around. You're wrong
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You're so stupid. JAMA doesn't write articles. Doctors do and send them in. If you see an article about the wonderful effects of some drug, guess who was paying the doctor to study its effects.

It's a common tactic of liars to manipulate definitions and meanings so that they fit their agenda. Kind of like you saying "cartoons" when I clearly stated "cartoons for little girls".

You keep spitting propaganda as research and science. You're a fool. Weak in mind, weak in body, weak in spirit.

You're a sick pervert and a lesser man. Quit responding to me in this thread already, cigarette.
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There's no argument to be won. You deny reality, probably because you're used to living in a pony fantasy. You're Pro-unborn child killing, and you watch and identify with cartoons for little girls. You're a sick man.

I wouldn't let anyone like you near my children if I had any. You're nasty. You're mentally ill.

Don't speak to me about integrity. You don't know what it is, cigarette.
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3 ups, 1 reply
I posted a link to a respectable medical journal published by the American Medical Association. You posted a link to an anti-abortion website that gave outright falsehoods.

The website you linked me to mentioned the Silent Scream. Are you aware the doctor who made that garbage propaganda admitted in testimony that a fetus (like the one in the film) cannot feel pain at 12 weeks? So even the propagandist says they can't feel pain at 12 weeks, but you link me to a site that says they can feel pain at 8 weeks? Your confirmation bias is really that strong?

Read the medical literature. At 8 weeks, a fetus cannot feel pain, make conscious decisions or form coherent thoughts about self-preservation.

The truth isn't on your side, so I suppose lies will have to suffice.
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Wait until they find out 100s of millions of sperm with human DNA is wasted in their bedrooms, every time they visit pornhub.... in your bedroom, no one can hear your sperm scream...
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Octavia does have a mental disorder. He's a grown ass man that watches and identifies with a cartoon that's designed for little girls. Probably a closet pedophile. Liberal poster boy.
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You can't win an argument so you accuse your opponent of being a pedophile? You're pathetic. Come back after you've developed some integrity.
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I deny reality, yet you're the one who thinks a fetus can feel pain at 12 weeks, when the entirety of the medical and scientific evidence says otherwise :)

I'm pro-choice, which means I think a woman has the right to continue a pregnancy or not.

Yes, I watch cartoons. I'm not sure how watching cartoons makes me a sick man XD

I have enough integrity to not resort to blatant ad hominem attacks like you. I have enough integrity to not make unfounded and unproven accusations of pedophilia and mental illness like you. Like I said, come back when you actually have some integrity and want to provide real evidence for your claims.
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Yes, I'm sure the American Medical Association profits from abortion XD

"Rofl the article had to define pain!"

Yes, medical journals define things for the sake of clarity and accuracy. I'm glad you noticed.

"I guess having the baby lurch away over and over from the tools that end up killing it don't qualify as evidence."

Not if that "lurching" is completely reflexive and there is no evidence whatsoever the fetus can feel any pain.

"...pain does not require intelligence to feel."

No, but it does require certain neurological connections which the article makes clear aren't developed until later on in the pregnancy.

Look, I get it. You want to believe that fetuses feel pain early on so that you can say that abortion is horrible and terrible. Unfortunately the evidence just isn't on your side. Don't feel bad. We're all wrong sometimes.

If by "reclassify and redefine" pain you mean that scientists study and define and describe it, then yes.
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People classify babies before their first birthday as, "blobs", why don't we just kill one of those.
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Umm...wut? I've never heard anyone call an eight-month-old infant a blob. Maybe if it was really, REALLY fat...but otherwise, no.
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That's a human being (Homo sapiens sapiens)
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0 ups, 2 replies
It is a human fetus yawning in the womb. Very much human, and very much a little person.
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Human? sure. Person? That depends on how far along it is. An eight-month fetus and an eight-minute blastocyst don't have the same value, in my opinion.
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Of course not. As you mentioned earlier, it is impossible to tell a human zygote from that of a goat. So somewhere between the zygote and this picture this became a little person and inherited rights. Question is where.
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I agree. Upvote.
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Thank you.
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0 ups, 1 reply
And how many women know that they are pregnant, much less get an abortion, when their baby is at this stage of development?
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My point is that at that stage of development, it's not a baby.

That picture isn't even of a fertilized human egg. It's a different animal entirely. I have trouble granting human rights to something that is not even recognizable as a human.
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So, if a human fetus is recognizable as a human, would you grant human rights?
Since abortions typically don’t occur until the fetus looks human, it should be classified as such. It’s another reason why PP resists requiring the mother to view an ultrasound before making the decision. They want the mother to think she is only getting rid of a glob of cells, not a human baby in development.
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I don't know when I would grant human rights to a fetus. That's not an easy question for me to answer. I would say viability definitely factors in.

I don't know anyone who actually thinks a fetus is just a big blob of cells
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What's your point? A baby is not a teenager but that doesn't mean it's not a human life.
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It's not a baby, it's a preborn human who never had a chance at life.
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So in your opinion, at what point is it considered a baby that can be "murdered"? Because according to the law, a woman can kill her child up to the age of 12 months old, blame her hormones (PPD), and only be charged with "infanticide", which is a less serious charge than murder, legally speaking.

And that's not the only time women can use their hormones as a defense in court. Must be nice. Men are expected to remain in control of their hormones at all times.
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A woman killing an infant and a woman having an abortion are two completely different things. You said yourself that if she kills an infant she will be charged with infanticide, which is a crime.

"At what point is it considered a baby that can be 'murdered'?"

Those are two separate issues: when is it considered a baby and when is it considered murder? I don't know exactly when it's considered a baby, my guess would be at least 7-8 months, when it can actually survive on its own outside the womb. As far as murder, if a pregnant woman is murdered, they will charge the killer with two counts of murder, but I don't know if that only applies if her pregnancy is a certain number of weeks along. I don't think they would charge the person with two counts of murder if she was pregnant but only three or four weeks along.
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4 ups, 1 reply
Abortion is legal. Murder, by definition, is illegal. Abortion is not murder.
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3 ups, 1 reply
Does something being legal mean it is morally ok to do? While you didn't make that claim directly, I think your implied message was clear. If that wasn't your point of that statement what was your point?
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"Does something being legal mean it is morally ok to do?"

No, it doesn't mean it is necessarily moral. I don't happen to consider most abortions to be immoral, however.
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Yet if a pregnant woman who wants to keep her baby goes to Planned Parenthood for prenatal care, they most likely won’t be able to provide it.
http://liveaction.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/PP-centers-investigated-for-prenatal-care-1.pdf
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You linked me to an anti-abortion organization. Of course they're going to say that Planned Parenthood doesn't do anything useful.
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2 ups, 1 reply
It shows that PP isn’t really providing counseling to help pregnant women do anything other than abort their pregnancy. So the only discussion they have is about how to not start or add to a family. Hardly counts as “family planning”. It’s more like “family prevention”.
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It's planning because women can plan their family when they're ready. If they aren't ready for children yet, they can get on a birth control regimen.
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