Creepy Condescending Wonka

Sure, let's see you use your gun to defend your God-given right to evade taxes nowadays. :D

You are certified.

That's funny XD

Sorry, but I did know. It started because of unfair taxes and being taxed without representation, NOT evading taxes. Most sensible folks do not have a problem paying taxes - if done fairly, equally and NOT handed out to all the whiny social programs that want to reward the useless who do not want to earn or contribute when able. Certainly we differ on those views as well and I won't debate that.
Back to task on your comment on my guns. After revolt, the very NEXT step in the war was attempts to disarm these "traitorous tax-evaders" as you call them. By not allowing gun control to happen, we were able to protect ourselves and eventually win our freedom against the tyranny of an unfair government. Eventually, our "new" government became too big and profitable. We lost Statesman and wound up with Politicians instead. Dangerous and downhill since then.
While folks like me still believe law-abiding citizens have the right to be armed to protect ourselves from an out-of-control government of tyranny, inside we know it is a fight we won't win. But fight we will, because we have that option if armed.
In the meantime we will stay armed to defend our families against not only our benevolent government, but more so against the evil-ass losers and criminals that some believe are entitled to the same rights as us that follow the laws. That's the other thing ya'll just can't grasp. By not enforcing the laws already in place; and continuously coddling the criminals and psychotics with parole and umpteen second chances because "they have rights too", we will never get control of the basic problems and reduction in violent crimes.
You go on and have a little protest. Pass ANOTHER law where only the law-abiding will will comply. You can pat yourseld on the back later and feel like you've done your part. But the evil-doers go on as usual if you continue trying to control the tools they use instead of them.
In the meantime when a few of those "equals" who don't follow the laws have broken into your home to steal what you have rightfully earned and are raping your wives, daughters, mothers (maybe even you) and doing whatever else evil you can imagine, You go right ahead and call 911 so the government can protect you with the laws that say they shouldn't be doing that to you and your family.
If it happens to me, I'll just shoot the f**kers before they get started.
You have a nice day.

"but more so against the evil-ass losers and criminals that some believe are entitled to the same rights as us that follow the laws. That's the other thing ya'll just can't grasp. By not enforcing the laws already in place; and continuously coddling the criminals and psychotics with parole and umpteen second chances because "they have rights too", we will never get control of the basic problems and reduction in violent crimes."

You forgot to mention that those opposing background checks, gun control involving intended use and criminal & psychiatric history, and enforcement of laws just so happen to be the NRA and their flock of mostly non member Second Amendment thumpers and ye olde GOP.

Most sensible folks will cheat for nickel if they can, and cheered Trump's massive tax cut to the rich. Those sensible folks aren't bemoaning their (temporary) cuts. The social programs you whine about favor so-called Red States more than others, as do Federal tax dollars in general, since every single one of them recieves more than they pay, essentially welfare States with perpetually moribund post Civil War economies.

Prolonged winters which destroyed crops set the stage for the American Revolution - the Crown not helping by demanding more taxes from people on the brink of famine. Sorry, the Revolution based on an ideal is a myth. Like all wars, hunger pangs in the belly are the root cause. Your call for disenfranchising citizens you don't consider equal shows what little understanding you have of those ideals and the rights granted by the Constitution. Guns ain't the only thing that have, em, and the 2nd A ain't the only one.

The Revolution was not won by basic citizens with guns. They were drafted into militias since the colonies lacked an army, and came up short with armaments. Production itself was limited, and paying for them by rebel goverments with nothing but promisary notes with no backing was hardly enticing. Many were stolen off fallen British soldiers or pirated in transport. Eventually the rebels had to rely on French assitance: monetary, soldiers, and superior firearms. Without them the Revolution would have been lost.
Hence the 2nd Amendment call for regulated militias in defense of the state, needed by flegling independent states who couldn't afford to arm and pay an army. Heck, they never even payed back France for the money lent.

You have the option of not calling 911 when bogeymen excercising their right to bear arms come a'knockin.

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Cheers

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https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/12/the-accidental-patriots/505835/

And I don't support either side, both of their arguement points are bad; in my opinion.

:D

thats called negotiation and right up until Lexington the colonists were willing to negotiate. Ignore the typos, I'm running on caffeine

Just my opinion. I'm interested in history and I'm trying to improve myself. And it's not your fault that you wrote it wrong, I just wanted to create humour.

http://research.history.org/pf/viewer.cfm?image=newspapers/lg_gunpowderart1.jpg|newspapers/lg_gunpowderart2.jpg&imageTitle=Virginia%20Gazette&imageSubtitle=The%20Gunpowder%20Incident&imagePath=/pf/images/&imageCurrent=1

really?

you're not wrong, just missing the timeline.

Depending on your wording. It was not a 'cause' of the revolution, but it was a spark.

I stand somewhat corrected. It could be interpreted as a cause, however to compare it to today, or that it has anything to do with or is anyway relevent to another uprising is ludicrous for many reasons but today's military gear is enough on its own. You really gonna fight an Abraham's tank with your semi auto huh?

Here's the thing, (and I use text and not snark becasue you admitted you you made a mistake I respect that) the rights established in the constitution are not to be discarded by standard legislation or judicial decree but by amendment.If you think you have a case, use the process. In a practical application of the RKBA the line is simple.If the police, who are armed to protect themselves and others are allowed to employ a particular arm,that arm is clearly protected by the second amendment since the militia of the day also functioned as law enforcement. Beyond that is subject to debate. More importantly altering the meaning, intent or interpretation of an amendment will inevitably result in such instances for all the amendments. You may not like the RKBA but you should be protecting it from judicial over reach or legislative game playing because as sure as the sun sets in the west, the government will not stop with one amendment. Take a moment and consider the tone of the bill of rights. All prohibitive language directed at the government. Politicians by nature are power hungry "for the good of the people". If you dislike the 2nd, think it is no longer relevant then use the process to make your case for repeal ,nothing else. If you were ever to succeed you would find it a Pyrrhic victory at beast.

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No big lover of Reagan, but he tried to use some thought in gun control. Yes, I'm aware that he also signed The Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986: why? because parts of the 1968 legislation was found unconstitutional. the only things I could suggest would be deemed unconstitutional as violation of the second amendment. I don't know everything, but, the problems with access to firearms by those that either do, or should, lack the 2nd amendment rights is deemed to interfere with responsible gun owners rights.

What will have to happen for gun control to be passed that would circumvent the constitution? When a school that is targeted for a shooting, it be an elite, private school, especially one attended by the children and grandchildren of the movers and shakers of the nation, something will be done. And today's gun owners will not like it because they will be a part of the purge.

The parties right now follow one thing: their corporate leaders.

Its hilarious that your using Gene Wilder for this, because, if you didn't know, he was a big time Liberal.

It's called a meme template. You can use it for pretty much anything you want.

I never said you couldn't use it, I just stated that it was funny.

Get off your phone! You can only post by horse and buggy!! [Autistic screeching]

Hundreth? How about thousandth time? It wasn't written about muskets and hunting. The same principles that applied then, apply more than ever.
Totally agree with your comment on posting the same stupid thing over and over. You should really stop.

I don't think putting that image up made your argument for guns any more genuine; supporting and being against gun control is not black and white like most people think it is. Adolf Hitler wanted his followers to have guns, which was 90% of the country. As a result, it wouldn't be reasonable to say Hitler believed in strict gun control laws. Obama's interpretation of gun laws were nearly the same as George W. Bush's. Lastly, Martin Luther King believed in pacifism and strategic nonviolence.

WOW!!! What intelligent, well thought out points. I've never had it explained to me that way. I've changed all my beliefs completely and from this point forward I will disavow myself from the NRA and all other war-mongering gun lovers that...wait a second, my Ambien just wore off. NEVERMIND.

Whew, that was a close one Myrian. You almost Waffled me into your clever trap. I'm going clean my guns and order more ammo.

Have a nice day and take an upvote with you.

Well, thanks for the upvote. I never said you had to give up your guns, though. I don't think anyone should have their guns taken away against their will.

Understood. All in good fun (most of the time, anyway). lol

Nothing wrong with being scared as long as you have the courage to stand up and fight regardless. It's when you accept the B.S. that is fed to you and lay down with the other sheeple while letting your fears and politicians run roughshod over you.