The Debate On Gun Control Is Over

The only thing he is actually qualified to speak on is how to ride a bike.

Toasted, Roasted, Burnt To A Crisp!

It says "... the right of The People" not the right of the states. It's very clear on this.

I like to bring up modern Australia and how the citizens felt during the COVID scamdemic when their own government gathered up 'vaccine' dissenters into concentration camps. A great many of them now very much regret having given into their government's gun grabbing years ago.

Noah Webster said we don’t need a Bill of Rights because our government is elected and would “protect us from our encroachments against ourselves,” and sarcastically asked the anti federalists if there was some magic spell that turns honest men into tyrants when they get into government. There doesn’t need to be a magic spell. Human nature will do it. The response of the Chinese immigrant was perfect.

Actually the jerks honesty was surprising.

When you know history (which clearly Hogg doesn't) then you'll understand that the 2A was NEVER about the National Guard. Not even close. Our founding fathers did not believe in standing armies. They expected the PEOPLE to form militias that would fight to protect our liberty from all enemies, both foreign and domestic.

The people are the 1st responders and always have been. The police and military are 2nd responders.

The idea of the right of self-defense, which the 2A is predicted on, has been around since the Magna Carta. Everyone has the right to protect themselves from harm inflicted by another person or persons, a foreign government or our own government.

It is only a government who is afraid of what the people might do to that government who pass laws against gun ownership. At last count there is only 1 government who, currently, does not stand completely in the way of the rights of all people to self-defense. Every other government wants to inflict tyrannical laws on the people.

And we have a whole lot of Dems who play along with the lies they have been told about guns.

The Second Amendment very much was about state militias for the purposes of providing for the security of said states. As it's so states.

The nascent United States of America's Federal Government couldn't even afford to mint money, let alone pay for standing army.
The Second Amendment provides for the 'right' to get conscripted at a moment's notice. And it's a BYOGun deal - not only were these conscripts to be unpaid volunteers, they even had to supply their own ammo.

Ok, ok, so nowadays soldiers are paid. That includes those in any of the 50 nations in the United States of America with a National Guard, which are their state militias. Not some RWNJs hellbent on insurrection to revive the failure that was a Confederacy.
No one's been drafted since the Nam.

"The Second Amendment very much was about state militias for the purposes of providing for the security of said state"

And how is that different that what I said.

"The Second Amendment provides for the 'right' to get conscripted at a moment's notice."

That's odd, I cannot seem find anywhere in the 2nd that mentions conscription. I don't see any mention of the Federal Government. All I see is mention of individual states. And what is the state's duty? To well regulate the militia. This was long before the word "regulation" came to mean limit the people or private businesses. To "regulate" is to equalize. A well regulated militia is a militia that has equal or superior firepower to their enemies.

"And it's a BYOGun deal - not only were these conscripts to be unpaid volunteers, they even had to supply their own ammo."

Yes, most of the people brought their own firearms during the Revolutionary War and to a certain extent in the Civil War. However, there were standard issue firearms that was provided by the states and/or federal government. George Washington wanted one of the automatic rifles that was available back then but the cost too much.

The founders believed that the people would leave their farms, take their guns with them and join up with a militia if the freedom of this nation was threatened. They put a whole lot of faith in the loyalty of the individual citizen to the Constitution. That is why only landowners were allowed to vote. If you didn't own a piece of the United States of America, you were believed to not have any loyalty to the Constitution. They did not want foreign influence into the affairs of our government because the government was to serve the citizens of the US and no one else. In other words, Biden is a traitor.

Oh yeah.... I almost forgot. This is what you live for. It's all because Democrats worship Karl Marx. There. Are you happy now?

The Second Amendment has two sections. For a reason. That includes a prefatory clause (the part that a rather large contingent seems to keep forgetting), "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State," and the oft solely quoted operative clause, "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."

The prefatory clause is the why, the purpose.
The operative clause is the how, the manner in which the purpose is fulfilled.

This is what happens when anti-gun nutjobs try to make the 2nd amendment fit a definition that does not exist.

You have to read the words of the founding fathers and what they meant. NOT control freak narcissists bent on authoritarian rule (aka your guys)

Seeing that you failed to read this in my other post, let me repeat it.

“That a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural and safe defense of a free state; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that, in all cases, the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.” – George Mason

Did you catch that part about "standing armies" The entire 2A is about the right of the people. In fact ALL of the Bill of Rights are about the rights of the people.

Even Obama understood this. He said the Bill of Rights was about negative rights meaning rights that told the government what it cannot do. Obama then suggested that we need another Bill of Rights about what the government should do. But Obama (being completely wrong) does not understand the reason why the Bill of Right and the entire Constitution was written. It was never about what the government should do for the people. It was about what the people (aka We The People) will ALLOW the government to do.

The 2A was NEVER about the Army, Navy or Marines. It is not about the National Guard. It is not about ANY government institution. Nor was it ever changed to be about those institutions.

This is no disrespect to the Armed Services, it's just that the 2A is and always has been about the people and after the people, the states.

It is about forming militias from the populace, not by conscription but by those who want to defend their land and their freedom. And by land I mean their farms, not the country.

Did you make it this far? Press Up Vote for yes or press Ctrl-Alt-Del for no.

The American Enlightenment Project?

I prefer George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, George Mason, John Adams.....

I don't need no stinkin American Enlightenment Project.

I'll keep my inalienable right to self defense, thank you very much.

Hey, You live in NYC. How many times have you been mugged? Is that fun? If only there was some way to stop that from happening. Hmm.... Let me think.... What oh what oh what. Hmmm..

Oh I know. The right to self-defense. The right to keep what belongs to you. Isn't it great we live in a country where you can persuade others not to use violence against you to take your stuff? Oh dang.... I forgot again... You live in NYC. Only bad guys are allowed to have guns. The law abiding citizens are supposed to be targets for the bad guys. Is that fun for you also?

No, it is not your right.
The Second Amendment is not a Gods-given right for the population of Planet Earth. It's not a Gods-given right at all. It's not even right.

You do not believe self defense is a right?

Belief is irrelevant.
Rights are just a concept, a mere word.
Encoding it in law doesn't make it a right, in fact quite the opposite.
Self defense is an action, a choice.
You can choose to do it, or, do as Jesus and Buddha had a whole mess of other advised, turn the other cheek instead.

It must really suck, not knowing what your rights are.

“Section 61 of the Magna Carta provided that if the King (John) did not follow the provisions of the charter the Barons should have a right to correct the King by force until the King should begin to follow the articles of the Charter. This the right of lawful revolution was born into the constitutional law of England. It then stands to reason that the right to bear arms rests on three solid English rights, the right of revolution; the right of group self-preservation; and the right of self-defense. These basic rights are a portion of the English common law and had evolved prior to the landing at Jamestown in 1607. Further, these right applied to all Englishmen and not merely to those living in England.”
“The Right to Bear Arms, A Study in the Judicial Misinterpretation”, by Stuart R. Hays. William & Mary Law Review, 1960, Vol 2

"That the house of every one is to him as his Castle and Fortress as well for defence against injury and violence as for his repose. If theeves come to a man's house to rob him or murder and the owner or his servents kill any of the theeves in defence of himself or his house it is no felony, and he shall lose honting."
Sir Edward Coke, Semayne's Case, 1604

*Theeves is the same as thieves. In 1604 English was different than it is today.

"If a thief be found breaking in, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him" Exodus 22:2

I know you didn't read any of that because you are you. You're most likely are just playing the contrarian just to entertain yourself. But it's here anyway.

The right to self defense the same as the right to life.

It's not your right. You don't live here.

It is my right and it is your right also. But please do not exercise that right because the majority of mass shooters are leftists.

You're right, I don't live there. I would never ever want to live in the Bronx. I live in the beautiful part of the United States of America. I love this country, I love what it was founded on, I love having freedom, I love that the government is prevented from trampling on my inalienable rights endowed by our Creator.

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No, words mean things. And those words mean what they mean.
You're not even getting the bogus"well regulated" argument right.

Yes they do have meaning. AND if you cannot understand those specific words you can read the the words of the founding fathers. You can read the Federalist Papers which were written by 3 of the founding fathers.

What you must avoid is any liberal revisionist commentary. Go to the source. Read what the founders wrote.

"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." – Thomas Jefferson

"No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms." – Thomas Jefferson

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes." – Thomas Jefferson

“A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined; to which end a uniform and well-digested plan is requisite; and their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories as tend to render them independent on others for essential, particularly for military, supplies.” – George Washington

“To disarm the people…[i]s the most effectual way to enslave them.” – George Mason

“That a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural and safe defense of a free state; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that, in all cases, the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.” – George Mason

Yeah, I know. It sucks to be a Democrat. Are you starting to feel like your ideology doesn't belong in this country? Welcome the real United States of America. It is nothing like that Democrat propaganda they have indoctrinated you with. It is all about being free to live your life without a nosey government getting in your face all the the time.

“I ask, Sir, who are the militia? Is essence they are the whole body of the people except for a few public officials.” — George Mason, author of the Virginia Declaration of Rights and mentor to James Maddison who wrote the 2A

As if our aristocratic overlords were going to get their fingers dirty defending their fiefdom when they have a vast pool of already battle-trained plebs to press into service,,,

You should really do some research into who led the Revolution, especially those who held field commands. Most were men of means.

That's what they did?

Any relation to the same aristocrats that only allowed only men of means to have the 'Gods given' right to right to vote, and reluctantly at that?