Uncensored: The Vaccine Interview ~ 'No Question That The CDC is a Very Corrupt Organization.'

What's very telling is the Covid cult is now refusing to take their booster shots...

That is so true, Viking. Those "incentives" are needed...some stores are offering 10% off your groceries if you get a vaccine. SMH!

Free donuts only worked for a few... LOL

Free donuts for a year was just icing on the.... donuts. I guess you could say it was pretty sweet! 🍩🍩🍩
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I will say it seems somewhat ironic that a freebie for the vaccine for the virus that you're more likely die from if you're fat was ....donuts.... though.

Darko's half-baked cuckoo conspiracy theory # 589: Bill Gates made Krispy Kreme hand out donuts because yes..... he's trying to kill us.
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From the NIH website.

All for a jab that doesn't keep you from getting or spreading Covid...

It says, in 2023, the mRNA vaccine is novel (new) "so it is still difficult to anticipate every side effect".

I read in this article and learned for the first time that it has been documented to cause appendicitis.

Appendicitis was a new one for me, too, feller. I am familiar with way more side effects than they mentioned having either read about them or known of someone experiencing them. SAD that this corruption runs so deep that they don't acknowledge what they know in support of so many lives.

It's murder juice.

You live or die - they get paid the same.

That is one side effect.

The people that died of myo and peri carditis would disagree...if they were alive.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy...

"people that died of myo and peri carditis"

You are roughly 35x more likely to get myocarditis from COVID than the vaccine... and more likely to die from covid related myocarditis than vaccine related myocarditis.

Roughly 0.002% get it from the vaccine and only a fraction (if any?) die from myocarditis from the vaccine.

Do you have any actual data or sources regarding the amount of people you're talking about who died of vaccine-related myo/pericarditis?

As far as I know the unvaccinated are still dying disproportionately from covid... so if you're going to call it "murder juice" let's see the stats.

I don't see your "actual data"...Source?!?!
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I can call it "murder juice" without qualification if I so choose just the same as others, including the government and manufacturers, can call it "safe and effective" without qualification.

I posted data from the same NIH pubmed central as you.

You have a similar 0.002% chance of dying from the virus as a person under 65 years of age with multiple comorbidities.

Not sure if you understood what I wrote. Maybe I will try again, this time with the most relevant parts in all caps.

...Do you have any data or sources regarding THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE you're talking about WHO DIED of vaccine-related myo/pericarditis?

Pubmed central would be fine. I just used it as a source because you used it as a source.

"You have a similar 0.002% chance of dying from the virus as a person under 65 years of age with multiple comorbidities."

Apples and oranges.
You're comparing the chance of death for one to the chance of merely catching the other one.

Not to mention it would seem quite possible that perhaps those likely to have such a reaction to the vaccine would have the same reaction if they caught Covid itself sans vaccine.

I've never gotten the vaccine, and while I wasn't tested for Covid itself, it appears that I have caught it twice, the second time being at the end of December 2021, and my heart is still suffering because of it.

The evidence indicates otherwise, as those in areas less likely to take the vaccine and other precautions have a 2.5 times higher chance of catching Covid.

So if you are not at high risk with co-morbidities, why risk all those serious side effects?

The industry phrase is:

"The benefits outweigh the risks"

My preferred phrase invokes the vernacular:

"Bullshit"

Co morbidities make one much more likely to die of anything, including simply being alive on any given day.

No medium or longterm studies from known liars and criminals = the new 'safe and effective!'! 😖 Props aplenty for bringing attention to this, dear VB. 🍷🍷

Interesting thing is that in a lot of fiction CDC government 60organizations have as much as weapons as they do 'medicine'. So if we follow the money of the real life CDC we'll find what exactly?

We find it Science Fiction is science fiction because it IS science fiction?

Whats very funny is that back in 2020 when the CDC said masks weren't helpful, many Democrats i know said they were controlled by the Republican Party. But once Trump echoed their very own words (and we believed them not because of him, but because of all the health experts at the time), the CDC and the WHO completely flipped their stances with no scientific backing purely to oppose what Trump said, even though he just said what they said. And so the topic of masks became a political statement of "science believers vs republicans" or "democrats vs science deniers".

Then Trump tried to get the science department to get the vaccine out as quickly as possible to make it available for the public, but they actively delayed it because they wanted Biden to take credit in case he won the 2020 election (whether they were in on the fraud is something we'll probably never know), which is what happened. The vaccine came out in 2021, not long after Biden assumed office, Biden took credit, and because it "came from Democrats", they just trusted that it was safe even though it wasn't and there was growing proof of it every day. A real science department would acknowledge their vaccine failed and try to update it. This one just said that anyone who pointed that out was a MAGA lunatic who needed to be ignored because they were trying to kill Americans. They used people's emotions, hatred, fear, and distrust to manipulate the public into actively harming themselves just to not be affiliated with "the crazy right".

The topic of masks and vaccines didn't ever have to be political at all, as the lives of Americans were at stake through all this, but they saw this as an opportunity to divide the public and take their enemy down, and they weaponized it. It's evil af, but this is the world of aspiring dictators. They make their enemies out to be the very thing they want to be.

You spit the truth!

That flip flop happened many times in the ploy to frame señor Trump as an ignorant individual lacking concern for the well being of the American people.

Fought his travel bans but praised other countries for doing so.

The masks good, bad, good, bad, good, bad.

I have long said - he was the unpurchased president with the most modern, up to date, scientifically audited intelligence on all things virus and he said masks did nothing.

After weeks of cajoling, he said wear one if you want to. Now the acronym agencies admit masks do no good.

Q - Why?
A- 💰💰💰

So many half-truths - I'd wonder where you get your information, but the fingerprints of its source are apparent.

In 2020 we were using cloth masks which the CDC correctly stated would not stop the virus from getting in, but -were- quite effective at limiting the amount of body fluids being projected into the environment around you. This was important at the time because the Trump and his CDC director Robert Redfield decided the US should make its own test kits (instead of using the WHO standard kit), and those kits were less accurate than a coin flip.

Then the vaccine itself came out in December of 2020 more than a month before Biden took office - the problem was, the Trump administration was completely preoccupied with overturning the election by that point, and had made no plans whatsoever about how to distribute a vaccine that had to be kept between -130°F and -76°F to hundreds of millions of citizens.

Masks, vaccines, and even COVID itself became political because Trump managed to bungled all of them, and of course that means there must have been some insidious Democratic plot behind it.

Enough "vaccine" had not even been manufactured by December 2020 to even inject every healthcare worker to whom the first available doses were offered/given.

It was the result of manufacturing capability, not a choice made by a single individual.

Same goes for the necessary freezers you indicated.

Let me ask you:

Why did the murder juice have to be kept at such low temperatures?

Of course not - but more importantly, the administration had no plan of how to increase manufacturing, storage, distribution, or administration of the vaccines, and yes the responsibility for that ultimately did sit with a single individual who was entirely consumed with overturning an election, and not remotely interested in actually doing the work required to save lives.

The vaccines had to be kept at such low temperatures because mRNA disintegrates outside of cells - to combat this, it's wrapped in a fatty layer and frozen at the time of production and kept in that state until it's ready to administer, guaranteeing enough would make it into the cell when administered to effectively deliver the immune response.

What do you find insidious about this process?

The US government did not run a vaccine production facility.

Private, largely foreign, businesses controlled the recipes and the means of production.

Production of machinery, equipment, and transportation were further hindered by international supply chain issues related to international lockdown policies.

This was a world wide issue that you are errantly dead set on laying on señor Trump's shoulders.

Every country had to wait for manufacturers to set up and equip/supply facilities to make the dope that they hadn't even started trying to formulate until March 2020 and began rolling it out by October/November of 2020.

They went from zero production to development to shipping millions of units in just 9 months +/- .

Matter of fact Pfizer supplied their version to the world from only two manufacturing facilities: 1 in Belgium, 1 in Michigan.

Trump does not have any control over these private companies

Trump is not a biochemist.

Trump was not to blame for the virus.

Trump is not to blame for the non existence of a vaccine for a virus that had not previously existed.

Trump is not to blame for the fact that PPE is largely produced overseas.

Nothing insidious about him for having to bear the same issues that plagued every country on earth.
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Also, nothing insidious about super low temp preservation.

Except when it came to handling issues; improper thawing, dilution (if required), etc.

The murder juice is delicate.

Nothing like injecting folks with moldy, rancid, blubber to get a party started.

Biden and Harris were the original science/vaccine deniers, said they don't trust a Trump administration expedited vaccine, it was created too fast, it was untested, did not trust scientists to be unbiased in reporting safety and efficacy, and would not take it.

FACT: The Trump administration vaccine is the exact same one y'all lined up to get dosed with
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7...+ times.

First - the government directly funded the expansion of manufacturing, and the CDC directly ran storage, distribution, and administration efforts, so you can't wash the orange stain off of this.

Trump screwed up the national response to the virus - tweeting about shutting down travel causing hundreds of thousands of Americans in COVID hotspots around the world to flee home fearing he could shut down travel all together in another tweet.

Trump screwed up the fallout from that choice - his administration implemented idiotic question panels in international airports around the nation causing hours-long lines where the sick people rushing home stood around infecting thousands more who then flew home across the country.

Trump screwed up our ability to detect the virus - insisting we produce our own test kits instead of manufacturing based on the WHO design meant millions of false results during the early months of the pandemic.

Trump politicized what few tools we had and sold snake oil - conservatives abandoned masks and social distancing while buying up stocks of hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, both completely useless against the virus, because he said so. When supplies ran low, they turned to the internet and livestock supplies.

And then of course, Trump had no plan for how to ramp up manufacturing, storage, distribution, or administration of the vaccine - the single redeemable thing to come about as a decision he made during his time as President.

As for your ridiculous mischaracterization of Biden and Harris' positions - they trusted the science and the FDA to do their job - what they didn't trust was Trump, who'd recently been impeached for extorting Ukraine to announce a fake investigation to interfere with the election, wouldn't do the same with a COVID vaccine.

You are wholly incorrect.

I hate to break it to you, but your meme makes no sense. The smallpox vaccine was a good vaccine and Steve Kirsch said the Covid jab was the most dangerous vaccine of all time. Get back on your meds....sometimes there is a need for them.

Steve has no idea about vaccines and deadliness. Does he know about optical mice? Sure. Starting software companies that get bought out by big corporations? you bet. Vaccines?

Not so much. His qualifications are donating money. He donates money. If you've donated money, you are as qualified to talk about optical mice as Steve is about vaccines.

If you stopped paying attention to anti-vaxxer nonsense, you could learn some facts.

The small pox vaccine could kill someone who hadn't even taken it. And it was only 70% effective.

All your comment seems to confirm, this Qanon fantasy of yours, is that you believe that your government will knowingly inject its subjects with murder juice.

How are you more qualified to talk about vaccines?

Does not your as yet unqualified vaccine knowledge prohibit you from talking about smallpox vaccines, deriding the small pox vaccine, and promoting non-vaxxer Qanon nonsense without having learned the facts?

If not, what separates you from those you denigrate?

Knowingly inject murder juice?

Shocking news from history: yes. They do.

What's the death rate on smallpox? 30%.
What was the death rate on the small pox vaccine? 0.0001%

So...

If we had 1 million people infected with smallpox that's 300,000 people dead.
If we had 1 million people vaccinated against smallpox that's 1 death.

As a leader of a country charged with the safety and security of its people- do you authorize the smallpox vaccine?

What do you choose? 300,000 deaths or save 299,999 lives?

Unsafe and *ineffective!

*except smallpox is no more except in labs, like Wuhan, for example.

Well, except that wht happened with the small pox vaccine was documented, provable, and actually happened.

Unlike your anti-vaxx covid Qanon fantasies.

Just like your Qanon provax fantasies.

You're leaving out the next part. Like #diedsuddenly.

Remember that? How any death was caused by the vaccine (yet 'they' were lying about the covid death rate).

Remember that?

Oh, and how it altered your DNA? And made you sterile. And caused abortions. Reduced your cognative capacity. Where you could "shed" the virus?

If you don't, just go look at vBackman's history. Anti-vaxxer content is her "greatest hits" playlist. She reliably posts the latest anti-vaxxer stuff.

All vaccines have side effects. Some of those side effects could kill a small amount of people. The smallpox vaccine could straight just kill you. Not have a side effect in some people that then a smaller subset would die because of that side effect. The side effect was death. And, fun one, the scab from the injection site? If you, the unvaccinated person, got a portion of the injection site scab into your system via a small cut on your hand or even accidentally rub it into your eyes COULD KILL YOU.

So this claim of the covid vaccine being the deadliest of all time is laughable.

But let's address the specific side effect of AMI (acute myoblahblay I'm not typing that out). Is there a study on it? Yes!

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0291090

What's the TL/DR on that study? People with the vaccine died from AMI at a lower rate than the unvaccinated.

I am not Veebs. Her beliefs are her beliefs. Whether I share them or not, in whole or in part, is irrelevant.

If you desire a vaccine, get one.

If you do not want a vaccine, do not get one.

You should have no fear of an unvaccinated individual after receiving an effective vaccine.

If you do have fear afterwards, you are either prone to existential dread or received an ineffective vaccine.

Moving forward:

You are assigning me opinions I have not expressed.

😄 Maybe you go around rubbing scabs on your eyes but I do not!

You keep talking about rates of this or that.

80% of all US covid deaths were people aged 65+ with 4+ comorbidities.

That left 20% of the ~1.4 million total US deaths, or ~280,000 deaths total for all other age groups combined for the 3+ years since the virus appeared.

The number of US covid deaths in 2020 was ~350,000. Multiply that by the more than 3 years, more than two of which the vaccine was available, and the numbers average out nearly the same annually.

So, what exactly did the vaccine do?

The virus can cause AMI which can straight out kill you.

The vaccine can cause AMI which can straight out kill you.

No benefit there.

Reminds me of the drug commercials that rattle off the long list of side effects for a medicine for a benign condition like acne that include liver failure, renal failure, or death.

Another favorite example, the heart palpitation medicines that may cause new or worsening heart palpitations

I maintain that when you are dying of cancer you don't care about the rate at which people that eat burgers cooked over charcoal get your particular cancer, your concern is that you have cancer and you don't want it.

No matter the percentage of this vs that, if you are one of the miniscule number of people that dies of vaccine induced heart attack the "benefits" did not outweigh the risks.

You may argue that to the contrary, but you cannot argue that the potential benefit outweighed the result.

Well, perhaps you can and will.

I know, I know....but society!

I maintain that society is not your final thought when struggling to live while dying.

Furthermore, you single out the small numbers affected by a particular debilitating side effect and do not consider the cumulative number of ALL side effects.

Even the NIH states, in June 2023, that mRNA technology is still considered new and that it will be some time before every side effect is known.

Don't be afraid of an unvaxxed person? That's exactly how variants happen. I get vaccinated. You don't. I don't get sick from the original strain. But you do. But the genetic lottery hits, and you introduce a mutation. But then you pass that new version on to someone else, and blammo! lottery strikes again and they introduce a new mutation. And these 2 new mutations allow the virus to circumvent the original vaccine. And then we're all in danger again.

Which is how we get all these variants like delta, omicron, etc.

That attitude is exactly why we have this problem.

Vaccines drove variants as well as the wild virus.

Each variant incubated in unvaccinated people was more infectious but less virulent than the last.

It was the reverse in vaccinated individuals because the virus created defenses to the ineffective vaccine.

You know there is research that states a cumulative effect from being vaccinated and then catching the wild virus.

The virus would have disappeared same as it's older brother Covid 2002 (SARS), which also started in China and disappeared entirely by 2004.

I have never experienced symptoms of covid from 01JAN2020 to the present.

Vaccines drove variants? Just to be clear, that's nonsense, but got some science on that? Like, acutal, real science.

Because that really doesn't make much sense. Because every infection is a chance for a mutation. The vaccinated people get infected at far lower rates than non-vaccinated people.

So, explain how the group that gets infected more often has less of a chance of a mutation than a group with radically fewer infections?

At the end here, you say that all the factors need to be taken into account and not focus on specific details...yet... you do exactly that.

You dismiss the deaths of anyone over the age of 65 as being trivial and remove them from the data set. You only focus on the demographics younger than that. Then, you average the deaths of the 1st year without a vaccine in with the years with the vaccine to claim that it made no difference.

You dismiss the lives of an entire demographic because it doesn't fit with your conclusions.

There have been 0 deaths caused by the vaccine (unlike smallpox). There have been no deaths in the unvaccinated caused by the vaccine (again, unlike smallpox).

Despite your claim of "no benefit" because of the risk of AMI, data shows that getting covid makes it far far more likely to have an incident than getting the vaccine.

Despite your dismissal of an entire demographic of human beings, the vaccine has been effective. If everyone had gotten the vaccine right away, all those deaths you average in the following years...WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED. Those people would still be alive.

Tell it to the NIH.

Mr Science himself used to direct their work

You soapboxed to trust his/their science did you not?

What changed?

They will surely investigate the, quote, "strong correlation" to determine if the vaccine indeed proves causatory.

You totally discount correlation and you will never make scientific progress.

Do you ignore the fact that this mat prove the reason vaccine efficacy wanes rapidly, often within a few months?

The virus mutating in the vaccinated individual to defeat the vaccine in the fight to survive cannot be happening?

From where do you draw this unequivocal knowledge?

I have said since the start that this would prove so.

Why does this cause you much consternation?

Are you one of those conservatives you said are really bad at admitting you are wrong and making changes?

When you visit the NIH make sure you flash em your virologist/immunologist credentials.

I don't have a graph but accept this catchphrase

Contrariness ≠ correctness.

You either misread, misunderstand, or purposely mischaracterize what I typed.

Read it again. Carefully this time.

~1.4 million TOTAL deaths 2020-2024

80% 65+ = ~1,120,000

20% 0-64 = ~280,000

~ 350,000 TOTAL deaths Jan-Dec 2020

What is the issue?

Not science.

you state that, quote,
"The virus can cause AMI which can straight out kill you.

The vaccine can cause AMI which can straight out kill you.

No benefit there."

Let's check that. What's the naturally occurring rate of AMI? What's the rate for covid infections? What's the rate for those who were vaccinated?

According to this paper: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9755219/
The natural occurance is 2 out of 1000.
The covid infection rate is 3 out of 1000.

According to this paper: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9905103/
The vaccinated rate is... 1 out of 1000.

So, using the power of math, you can see that your statement about there being no difference betwen being vaccinated and not is clearly false.

Your beloved ineffective despite multiple doses vaccine kills an additional person due to AMI.

I can agree to that.

😄 Your data statement is unclear.

Simply answer the following two questions:

What is the rate of vaccine induced AMI?

What is the rate of virus induced AMI?

Pleeeeease! ☺️

What are the rates? I literally told you.

The natural occurring rate- the control- is 2 per 1000.
The rate in the vaccinated group is 1 per 1000.
The rate in the infected unvaccinated group is 3 per 1000.

You are 3 times more likely to have AMI if you get covid than a vaccinated person.

Not the question I asked.

I asked the rate of vaccine induced AMI
versus infection induced AMI.

You keep stating vaccinated vs unvaccinated and/or non infected.

That is the answer you asked for. And the answer is clear.

But I'll rephrase it for you.

The pre-covid, naturally occurring rate of AMI is 2 out of 1000.

The non-covid but has been vaccinated against covid rate of AMI is 1 out of 1000.

The has covid rate rate of AMI is 3 out of 1000.

So, if having an AMI is a concern to you, you are better off getting vaccinated than not. Because avoiding getting covid is a random chance that gets smaller and smaller each day.

It is NOT the question I asked. 😄

Repeating your lack of understanding does not alter this fact.

Regardless, how about now answering the question I say I asked.

If you keep asking the same question and you keep getting the same answer, you either 1) don't understand the answer or 2) you're asking the wrong question.

In both cases, that's on you.

Your "reductio ad absurdum" arguments undermine your superior intellect.

Reminds me of the group of academics that plotted using "fake news" to create hostility in others. I posted evidence of the conspiracy as a meme in this comment.

I know you are better than this, but I will ask you;

In your opinion, is this a meaningful way to engage in conversation and debate with others, or simply a passive aggressive way of harassing others?

Meaningful dialog and discussion?

It would require engaging with factual reality. It would require acknowledging when you're wrong and making changes.

2 things the vast majority of conservatives are really really bad at.

Do you engage in factual reality?

Do you acknowledge when you are wrong?

Do you make changes after acknowledging that you are wrong?

Do you have examples of your having done so?

If so, please post them.

If not, refrain from finger pointing.

This something of which the vast majority of leftist liberal democrats are generally incapable.

I do engage in factual reality. I do acknowledge when I'm wrong. And I do make changes.
I don't keep examples on hand. It would be weird if someone did. Keeping track of them would be the opposite of updating and moving on. You would be brooding over those mistakes, and that's not healthy. The great thing about science is that it begins in a place of not-knowing. It is a requirement to acknowledge that you don't know. You're going to find out. You wouldn't know this but when I make a mistake or I'm wrong about something, I make sure to tell my kids about it. At work, when I am part of a new grouip or project, I make a point of saying at the beginning, several times, "it's okay for me to be wrong." And the finger pointing thing- no. I won't stop. And yes, the left does engage in it a lot. Because conservatives refuse to admit when they're wrong. They refuse to update to better understanding. Then they double down on being wrong. But if you want the finger pointing to stop, it's super easy. Like, really super easy. 3 step process. 1) acknowledge that you were wrong. 2) don't double down on being wrong. 3) update and move on.

Give one example of when you were wrong and admitted as much.

I shouldn't think of it as unhealthy brooding.

It serves more to temper overzealousness.

Your anecdote about group projects was sweet.

With that in mind, let me ask you;

Why, in another thread, do you keep repeating over and over that you answered a question you think I asked despite my repeatedly stating that you are mistaken and it was not the question I asked?

Would not one as open to constructive criticism as yourself (which finger pointing is not constructive but judgmental) just say "okay, thank you for clarifying your question" and provide either a relevant answer or say that you do not know the answer?

You broke your own three cardinal laws:

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Like, really super easy. 3 step process. 1) acknowledge that you were wrong. 2) don't double down on being wrong. 3) update and move on.

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Oh, it was THIS thread in which you did not follow your super easy three step process.

It's the same playbook every single time. The disease isn't that bad. The dirty foreigners are brining the disease. The vaccine is worse than the disease. THAT GROUP THERE is taking away your freedoms.

Every. Single. Time.

And ye olde, "It's a Communist/Globalist takeover plot out to destroy the Free World."

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