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Democrats never gave up on the idea of slavery.

And between Andrew Jackson and Margret Sanger, no problem with trying to genocide whole groups either.

Republicans got Southern Democrats to "jump on board" with the new Labor Scheme initially.

You know. The alleged scheme that Karl Marx advised Charles Adams to inform Abraham Lincoln, was a great way to build 5 new Transcontinental Choo Choo Tracks. Expand the economy by exploiting Chinese, German, and Irish Labor, and then populate The West.

Civil War was more Cost Effective than Wilberforce's British example, that Marx had witnessed for freeing Slaves 3 decades prior. Going Cold Turkey with Slavery via War, may have seemed a better solution than to implement an apprenticeship program to ease out of it like the Brits and their stepchildren countries like Canada and Jamaica did.

Plus, nobody in the south were going to make a dime off New Railroads, and all the
"Railroad TITANS of Industry" were handpicked to only Donate in the foreseeable perpetuity to the new Political Party on the scene, what with making southern Dems focus on that pesky Reconstruction business and retraining camps.

Just remember that next time
that you watch a progeny Vanderbilt on CNN; Anderson "Pooper" sCooper.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Slavery-Abolition-Act
https://www.trains.com/trn/railroads/history/famous-tycoons-who-shaped-americas-railroad-industry/

I didn't think Marx had any clout when Lincoln was president. But I don't know everything. That explains why Lincoln nearly destroyed the 10th amendment to end slavery.

But why would Marx care about ending slavery? He hated blacks, but then Marx hated everyone. Perhaps that's just his opinion on how to end slavery if you wanted to end slavery. He probably didn't care one way or the other.

That makes me wonder, did Lincoln oppose slavery just for political reasons and not for moral reasons. Because there's absolutely nothing moral about starting a war for any other reason than the preservation of liberty. Especially a civil war that pit family against family in some cases. Even in Lincoln's case because Jefferson Davis was Lincoln's cousin.

Sure the war wasn't fought, in part, over the transcontinental railroad? I know it was fought because rich people wanted to keep their slaves and that and other economic and governmental representation reasons lead the South to want to secede from the Union. Lincoln was obsessed with keeping the South from leaving.

I had no idea Marx had any involvement with the Civil War. I thought he was too busy, at that time, writing love poetry to Mephistopheles. Well I guess his Communist Manifesto had already been around several years before the war. I didn't think any one took anything Marx wrote seriously until after he died. I guess there has always been stupid gullible people, even in the mid 1800's.

Anyway, this is fascinating. I love learning new stuff. Thanks for this. Ill have to look into this and learn more.

All Good.
Just Recall that Jeff Davis was Secretary of War for Franklin Pierce, created and was in charge of the Topographical Corps of Engineers. Of which later Railroad Co. President Democrat George McLellan was placed in charge of Surveying two of the five Transcontinental connecting routes in the State of Washington, One N/S from San Diego to Tacoma/Seattle, the other E/W from Minneapolis to Tacoma/Seattle. Regardless, the Officers that were part of the Aztec Club of 1847, were predominantly involved as opposition to each other for the spoils of that war, as were immersed in the U.S. Civil War. Jeff Davis wanted the 2 southern routes of the 5 he had ordered surveyed completed first, as that would keep Atlanta as the main Trade Hub, and build it with Slave Labor. The middle route was completed by 1869. The other 4 that were all planned by subordinates of Jeff Davis, took a bit more time, yet were all Completed in U.S. Grant's lifetime.

The Free Soilers that became the Republican Party in Ohio, (Team of Rivals staunch Abolitionists, such as Salmon P. Chase, as well as Ohio Republicans Sherman's brothers, and Grant's father) and Northern Democrat Slave Owner Stephen Douglas and Lincoln maybe wanted Chicago to be the RR Hub instead of ATL, and got it done.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/iwma/documents/1864/lincoln-letter.htm

Maybe,
Marx didn't care so much about ending slavery, as he did providing labor for his constituents, and win/win at the same time work for his working men of Europe to Migrate for the work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_members_of_the_Aztec_Club_of_1847
121 members of this exclusive club, were Generals on both sides in the US Civil War
(the new "Sons of Cincinnati" of Revolutionary War)

https://history.house.gov/Historical-Highlights/1851-1900/The-Credit-Mobilier-scandal/

Might what is happening today in Minnesota & California out of the Covid Lockdowns be the
Modern Version of Credit Mobilier, for the 4th Industrial Revolution of AI Tech in Silicon Valley, in comparison with the 3rd Industrial Revolution of Iron/Steel production and Railroad track/ties, Steam Engines and Freight-Cars manufacture? Maybe, maybe not. Curious though.

Richest Man On Earth:

Is Elon Musk to the 4th Industrial Revolution, C4IR Frontiers in Innovation & Technology the modern day version of what Howqua was to the 3rd Industrial Revolution?

https://www.scmp.com/magazines/style/celebrity/article/3175760/who-was-19th-century-merchant-howqua-chinese-bill-gates

Always, there seems to be a FORBES wanker hanging around Sino-Markets ;
Such as John Kerry, a FORBES, w/stepson Chris Heinz at Rosemont Seneca LLC, with BHR

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BHR_Partners
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Steyer Gent that hired John Kerry

"Full Time at Galvanize Climate Solutions Addressing the Energy Transition"-John Kerry 2025
Source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go1_ur2dedY

I just copied and pasted all of your comments with the hyperlinks into a text file so I can start looking into all of this. I hope you don't mind that I did that.

Anyway, thanks. I got a lot of reading to do now (and a YouTube video to watch).

Upvoted.
All good
It is satisfying to learn something new every day.
Possibly,
The U.S. Civil War to Baby Boomers that lived through JFK, RFK, MLK, the summer of Love, sex, drugs, rock n roll, The Beatles, 'Nam, Kent State and the Civil Rights Act all collectively feel a hippie connection to things and can be irrational and radical,

...as can't you understand how it FEELS to be them and CARE so much more than any other human to ever live. As such, if one says U.S. Civil War to most of them, they either hide, change the subject, or get agitated and scream IT WAS ALL ABOUT SLAVERY.
& They are correct. Whether they be descended from African Americans, Caucasians, Native Americans, Asians, or Hispanic and on and on. IT WAS ALL ABOUT SLAVERY.

Yet, maybe for more reasons and contributing variables than they've cared to consider,
and that's understandable, as it is heart-wrenching material to work through.

I think it was mostly about slavery at least as far as the rich folks were concerned. The southern states were not getting the representation they thought they needed in Congress.

I think how Lincoln handled it was wrong. I don't know how we could have ended slavery without violating the 10th amendment. It had to end. I think it was on it's way out anyway. Automation replaced the need for slaves/farm workers. We should have abolished slavery at the founding and we almost did if it wasn't for South Carolina and Georgia. We needed to have a unanimous support with all 13 colonies because we were going up against the world's super power to get our independence. If we excluded any state they might have supported England.

Regarding what has been stated above;
Ironically, it was Georgia, the 13th established of the 13 colonies, originally was set up as
as the only SLAVE FREE Colony by James Oglethorpe. The roots of Methodism the Wesley Brothers Charles and John were with Southern Baptist hero Rev. George Whitefield
& THE GREAT AWAKENING each, and all have their origins in Savannah.
Maybe that could be the metaphor for the feather of Forest Gump at the park bench.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/12/treasury-tweet-slavery-compensate-slave-owners

https://www.britannica.com/biography/George-Whitefield

I also originated in Georgia. I was born there but my family and I moved to Utah when I was a 1 year old. Then to So. Cal when I was 5 years old and that is where I grew up and lived most of my life.

I never knew that they were initially a slave free colony. I know they were a British penal colony at one time, just like Australia. I just know that Georgia fought to keep slaves at the founding.

The other thing that I kind of think is funny. For years the Georgia state flag had a blue field on the left with the seal of Georgia on it and on the right was the Confederate battle flag. Then leftists panicked over a piece of cloth and demanded that they change the flag. They did. The removed the Confederate battle flag and replaced it with the flag of the Confederate States of America. I just find it funny how ignorant people can be.

It took Great Britain 182 years to pay off the loans they took to free their slaves with Just Compensation for Property Loss to the Owners of said property.

What if Lincoln had taken out a loan instead and bought the slaves freedom as was the Precedence set ? What if Lincoln and his team had followed the Constitution at the time, and adhered to the 5th Amendment and it's eminent domain clause rather than just stealing the value of property from the owners, however vile that may seem today. Was the UK more Civil in keeping their peace through compensation in the progress of change?

Going to war for to be moral, for anything other than Liberty rings true in the US Civil War example, the Liberty of the Enslaved is Moral. Yet taking others legal property w/o just compensation for their loss is not moral. Nor is killing your neighbor a moral act.
There is that to consider as well.
The UK just recently got out of Slave Owner Compensation debt in 2015. 11 years ago.

The USA could have had it paid off by the year 2043 (1861AD + 182yrs = 2043CE)
Maybe less time, as the USA only had about 1/2 the number of Slaves as the UK.
This is an apples to apples comparison with the nation that BROUGHT THE SLAVE TRADE TO the America.

In particular North America, as well as SPAIN & Portugal bringing Many more humans in bondage to South America, Central America, as well as the Caribbean.

https://taxjustice.net/2020/06/09/slavery-compensation-uk-questions/

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/iwma/documents/1864/lincoln-letter.htm

2025 John Kerry, Galvanize Climate Solutions... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt2Vi-Cm1ig
Tom Steyer ...reporter Ezra calls Kerry "Old King Coal, you're a coal man now."

Hanoi Jane before aerobics! That is classic.

And she's been making the rounds lately too, looking for some sort of relevance when she was near forgotten

When you hear the demonrat elite bragging about providing jobs to illegals your brain should translate it automatically to they steal jobs from citizens to support criminals and enrich themselves.

The so-called family farm would cease to exist overnight without illegal aliens doing the work while the family farmers spend their time not on Xbox at Walmart taking selfies to post on Walmart Culture pages on Facebook. Yep, that's culture all right, country style.

You never worked on a farm did you? I grew up on one. Back then nobody hired illegals. That came with Nixon after China bribed him to pass "Free Trade" scams.

No, that came with the Immigration Act of 1924, which severely restricted Chinese immigration to the US, adding to a situation started by the Chinese Exclusion act of 1882...

Coupled with the Mexican Revolution, and, well, you already did the math,,,

Like I said, I grew up farming. There were no illegals here in the 70s when we grew corn, beans, Lettuce, etc. Nor in the 80s either.
What city did you grow up in?
There were no illegals here until 1999. In 98 Don Blankenship got the genius idea he'd import illegals from Lexinton to work in coal mines for $8 an hour. He didn't want to pay people from Ky & WV $16 to do that.
He rented school busses from the BOE and bought FEMA trailers and had them installed at a mine in Pike County. He got safety trainers to Fudge the paperwork claiming they had required safety training.
The 1st accident caused when the Mexicans weren't fluent in English led to a huge strike. He gave his illegals 24 hours to get off his property and leave his FEMA trailers.
They wound up working in restaurants all over the tri County area. Many got construction jobs working as contractors on a federal government flood proofing project.
My old neighborhood became a Barrio, which wasn't bad as they were good neighbors and I had friends among them who watched over my elderly grandmother. But eventually all but 2 moved back to Mexico. They sent their earnings home and bought homes and businesses. Garages. Convenience stores, etc.
Let me guess. You've never seen an illegal either, let alone worked on a farm?

No illegals til the 1970s? Are you talking about Europe?