More Leftist Lies

Who said Native Americans lived in peace? They competed for scarce resources like all tribal societies did. Let's see your sources for your statements...

Yeah, took the words right out! I was not aware the leftists was claiming peace....lmao!

*were

Scarce resources?

LMAO

Did you ever try living off the land?

Ever heard of the Donner Party? They learned what scare resources eventually led to.

Nah... stupid people tried to cross a mountain in the middle of the winter... LOL

And cannibalized each other due to scare resources.

They post this when they lost the "scarce resources" argument.

Many days without food indicates a lack of resources. Thanks for validating my point.

Yeah... it's called winter... LOL

Yes, and winter marks a lack of resources

You again proved my point that Native Americans competed for scarce resources.

Yes, winter causes scarce resources. LMAO!

What is the source? That's what I would like to know. I get into debates with folks who think that "colonizers" ruined the Garden of Eden. Where does this come from?

So you claim that people are saying this and can't even provide a source of anyone saying it?

Why is that surprising? No one is illegal on stolen land. All land is stolen. Then the colinizer thing. I don't know where it comes from.

It's not surprising at all. Bottom line is it's your bogus claim, and you can't back it up. Your bogus claim. Yours.

I would like to know too. I wouldn't blame leftists for statements like "colonizers ruined the Garden of Eden" and "before white colonists Native Americans lived in peace". It's true, colonists did steal indigenous people's land, but no one is saying it was a "Garden of Eden". That's your take ,not leftists.

Not my take. This is what I run into. Surley you've seen all the colinizer BS. How can you miss it?

I must ask, where are you seeing this colonization propaganda at?

Lots on Facebook. Have you not seen it?

Facepuke? Social media? I work the nets all day,. The last thing I need to do is be social.

No cable, media apps, or networks beyond LINKEDIN AND YOUTIBE!

BUT, I am the brainwashed MSM sheep who only knows what media tells me.

Have fun on the playground!

No, no one has seen it because you made it up.

Exactly

All they do is make up stuff and if you ask him for proof the most they can do is post a laughing emoji.

Exactly!

I've seen it, but never saw anyone saying America before European colonization was a Garden of Eden or a Native American utopia.

Search "Decolonize" on Google.

Found nothing about the topic of this meme.

I'm looking at it right now. Decolonize your mind. Deconlonize this place. Decolonize education. Decolonize your heart. Decolonize your mind. How can you miss it?

I'm glad we agree it is misguided to complain about colonization.

It's not misguided to complain about stealing land from indigenous people.

Indigenous people had no concept of land ownership. So, how can you steal land that nobody ever owned in the first place?

You can't steal it because it was theirs. And they were of the land. They were both interconnected, belonging to each other.

That's a heck of a lot more than being the property of the King of England, who own the land of the British Colonies. And the people too, his subjects. The settlers did not own the land, the King of England did. And he owned them as well.

Today nobody owns land here, the government does, and we pay rent to them via property taxes. And if they want to appropriate that land for their own purposes, they have eminent domain.

Same thing with present day. The land is ours (the government's) and we are of the land. We are interconnected with the land just like indigenous people and their governments.

The land was passed down by generations of ancestors that occupied the land. If your neighbor puts up a fence on your land and you don't challenge it, the land becomes his land through adverse possession.

As I said before, they had no concept of land ownership. So it was never “yours” or “his” land.

It was the tribe's land.

If Native Americans didn't have ownership right to the land they occupied, why did the Supreme Court rule in a 1980 case, United States v. Sioux Nation of Indians, that the U.S. government illegally took the Black Hills land from the Sioux Nation?

So we are standing on stolen land. We stole it, they stole it from someone else who stole it from someone else, and so on.

"Indigenous" refers to the ORIGINAL inhabitants of a land.

Native Americans were not the original inhabitants of the Americas, before them there were the Clovis people, not to be confused with the Frankish king, and there is evidence that challenges the Clovis First theory and suggests that there were peoples living in the Americas beforehand, so the peoples that we call indigenous were certainly not the original peoples of the Americas. Sorry for the word salad

You are correct, MeLike. Any valuable land has been taken many times over. No one knows who the "ORIGINAL" inhabitants were.

False.

While no skeletal remains of Clovis have been found, the assumption was that they were the earliest ancestors of Native Americans. Until it was discovered that Native Americans were living all the way down and what is now Chile 2,000 years prior. Now we got footprints in White Sands, New Mexico dating back 22 - 24,000 years, and the bones of giant ground sloths and giant armadillos utilized after they were butchered by the ancestors of Native Americans 33,000 in South America years ago.

Despite the theory that what became DNA Amerindians came here in waves from different places, all remnants found to date have proven to be genetically consistent with modern Native Americans. Even DNA from Luzio, from Brazil 13,000 years ago, originally reconstructed to look more sub-Saharan African, turns out to also be Amerindian.

Yeah no one said that like ever… just false claims.

I’m sure we can all agree Europeans are responsible for the millions of natives deaths and the cruelty we instilled

No sorry. I had this convo with another leftist. Natives killed about 100x more than the colonists during the same time.

Source?

Settler violence: ~30,000–50,000 direct killings over ~300 years (per government/historical tallies).
Inter-tribal violence: Proportionally far higher lethality rates pre-contact; absolute numbers over longer periods likely comparable or greater, though undocumented aggregates prevent exact totals.
Overall Native decline (~90%+) was overwhelmingly from introduced diseases, not violence (Thornton). Direct comparisons are challenging due to better records for settler conflicts vs. pre-contact inter-tribal ones.

Sources include Thornton (disease dominance), Michno (specific war casualties), and Keeley (pre-contact warfare patterns). These reflect scholarly consensus balancing archaeological evidence with historical records.

The takeaway is that even if the settlers had been 100% non violent just showing up would have had the same effect.

How many colonist did the natives kill in comparison

20,000–30,000 total settler deaths over nearly three centuries, with a commonly cited atrocity-specific tally of around 7,000–9,000—draw from historical compilations focusing on documented incidents of violence. No single definitive count exists due to incomplete records, but here are the key sources:

William M. Osborn, The Wild Frontier: Atrocities During the American-Indian War from Jamestown Colony to Wounded Knee (2000): Osborn compiled a chronological list of documented atrocities from 1511–1890. He tallied 9,156 deaths attributed to Native American actions (primarily settlers and civilians) and 7,193 to settler/European actions. This is one of the most comprehensive atrocity-focused counts and supports the lower end of broader estimates (around 7,000–9,000 for settler deaths from direct violence/atrocities).
Gregory F. Michno, Encyclopedia of Indian Wars: Western Battles and Skirmishes, 1850–1890 (2003): Focusing on the later Indian Wars period (a major phase of conflict), Michno documented ~675 engagements, with total casualties of ~21,586 (including killed, wounded, and captured). Of these, ~6,596 were non-Native (military and civilians), implying several thousand settler/military deaths in this era alone. This contributes to higher overall estimates when combined with earlier colonial conflicts.
U.S. Census Bureau (1894) estimate (cited in histories of the American Indian Wars): For 1789–1891, ~5,000 white deaths from warfare (plus ~8,500 Native deaths), with broader violent deaths estimated at ~28,500 whites over longer periods in some compilations.

Broader ranges (up to 20,000–30,000) incorporate undocumented raids, military deaths, and extrapolations across all conflicts, as noted in summaries on sites like Wikipedia's American Indian Wars page.

I gave the sources, look it up

So what around 80ish a year which doesn’t even amount to the natives lives that were took by setters…

No the settlers killed about 20k more than the natives, but again 90% of the deaths was from disease which wasn't well known at the time. That 90% was more than both sides together and was essentially unavoidable.

BUDDY WHAT? You’re a troll please tell me you’re trolling… HOW IS THAY F**KING POSSIBLE?

the colonist

Guns
Armor
Cannons
Horses
Metal swords
Ships
Disease
Bows

Natives

Stone or obsidian spears
Bows

That’s it When European settlers arrived in the Americas, historians estimate there were over 10 million Native Americans living there. By 1900, their estimated population was under 300,000. Natives

From the Holocaust museum

It helps if you actually read my comments. Disease wiped out 90% of the population. Doesn't matter if they came in peace and never killed a single native through violence. Same outcome.

Technically colonist in north and South American were responsible for the millions of deaths via disease they brought, slavery, war, and expansion

Did they ruin a Garden of Eden? No simply because while the natives respected the land and everything its not like it was untouched by any means just they respected it a lot more.

Like all* societies did.

Remember, that was the reason for colonization, and not just simply in search of resources, but also fighting amongst each other. Lots of religious refugees escaping here literally for their lives, wars between neighboring countries.

heck, Germans were so busy fighting other Germans over puny cities and towns that it wasn't even a country till 1871. Border wars/turf was going back centuries between country so small, we refer to them as city-states because that's what they were, little puny ass cities.

The Germans the battling each other for gazillion years over neighborhoods. And it was barely 50 years old when it waged war on other countries, only to repea that 20 years later. Like it's supposed to be a surprise that it took the Romans 1,000 years to conquer and domesticate them.