Karl Marx

And just like a whole lot of other socialists, Sanders never worked a day in his life. He lived on welfare and freeloaded off of family and friends until he got into politics. And now he's a millionaire, and a crook, and a hypocrite.

Many decades ago when Republicans started ignoring the public educational systems and colleges in favor of just earning more money hand-over-fist they essentially handed it over to Cultural Marxism minded and nation-hating leftists, whom slid right into that power vacuum and took over.

Leftists in charge have gradually turned the educational systems across this nation into political and ideological indoctrination centers for the Left while radically dumbing down traditional education as much as possible in favor of a 'participation trophy' type of 'learning' environment. The rest follows naturally.

If you ever run across a copy of a test that was given to 8th graders in public school from around 1900, plus or minus a few years, you find it was harder than most (or all more recently) than any college exam.

We have so much more information about life than in the 1900's but they were still so much smarter than we are now.

The power hungry rely on the stupidity of the people to maintain their power and the power hungry are the ones behind every socialist, communist and fascist movement.

I agree.

If you want your points to be taken seriously, take the trouble to proofread, please.

I apologize for not proofreading. You have a valid point. I'm just always doing things too fast for my own good. I just wish ImgFlip would let you edit your posts and memes, even after they have been submitted.

Oh, me too. There are some lovely ones that I've had to delete because I went back and realized I'd made mistakes.

i have read smith,hayek and am pretty familiar with sowells work,

and i was the one who brought von mises up in our first interaction.
can you guess why?
because i am familiar with von mises work.

I don't understand the hostility here.
I was making a simple, yet obvious point.
you have not read das kapital,
would you prefer that i refrain from commenting on our posts?

It doesn't matter if I read it or not. I already know it's a failure. Just look around. I don't want to live in any country that practices any of his ideas.

Besides, the man knew absolutely nothing about business. He never worked a day in his life. He freeloaded of his family, his in-laws and his only friend, Engels. If you're going to come up with a philosophy about economics, don't you think he might want to actually see how businesses are run?

All of the other great economists did.

Marx just didn't know what he was talking about and he based his ideas on his contempt for humanity.

Communism as a system of government has so far been a failure. Marx's economic analysis has many points of value.

Yeah, a lot of it sounds good on paper. But in practice it's never going to deliver on the promises it makes. It might for a while until it runs out of other people's money.

In addition, it takes all political power and property rights away from the individual. The individual then becomes completely dependent on the government and expendable. He or she has no say in how they run their lives unless the government gives then that latitude.

You just cannot expect to maintain your freedom, you're inalienable rights and even your own under that kind of system. It will never deliver anything close to want the free market has done.

Collectivism create poverty, the free market reduces poverty and makes the lives of the poor better.

I'm not talking about the system of government: I'm talking about the theory as an analytic tool. How can you explain predatory credit card companies, for instance, without coming to some version of Marx's "extraction of value"?

So you think corruption only happens in Capitalism? Oh my goodness that is naive. Corruption in Marxism is what murdered 100 million people last century. How many people have been murdered by credit card companies? Zero. Zero people have been murdered by credit card companies.

AND!!!!!! It is possible to live your entire life without signing up for a single credit card. You don't need them. Who cares about your credit score if you don't buy on credit????

I used to have several credit cards and I found myself drowning in debt because of my own stupidity. I worked my butt of getting out of all of that debt. It can be done. Most credit card companies will help you by lowering your interest rate if you promise not to use your card. If you use your card they will raise them back up. Not all will do that but a lot of them will.

Now if I don't have the money to buy something, I don't buy it.

My life is much, much, much simpler now. I do have a couple of credit cards now and they have 0 balances. I got a note from one of my credit card companies last week warning me that if I don't use it they will cancel it. Cool. Cancel it then. I don't care.

Young people in socialist countries support classic liberalism

I would agree and I hope your definition of classic liberalism is the same as mine. Classical liberalism is modern conservativism and libertarianism.

I prefer classical liberalism because I understand it better. It is a specific solution to the problem. The other two are more than ideologies; they are trends with too many variables and open to unexpected possibilities that facilitate corruption and betrayal by those in power.

That is true but those ideologies are closer to John Locke's definition of liberalism (classical) than anything else today.

"Young people these days" ok boomer stfu it's not your problem by the time one of us becomes president you'll probably be dead don't worry

Yup. You'll elect a president just like Terry Crew's character in Idiocracy. And just as a heads up, Brawdo does NOT have what plants crave.

I hope I am dead of natural causes before you turn the nation into a 3rd world toilet. I said natural causes because I don't want you idiot socialist, eugenicists determining my value to society.

What really sucks are all my family members who are still very young who'll have to grow up in your nightmare.

Socialism and eugenics? Do you understand the point of socialism? No you don't so here it is:
Divide people along lines of power and powerless, oppressed and oppressors, instead of along RACIAL and ETHNIC lines. The FORMER is MUCH BETTER and FACTS-BASED than the latter.

You're just reiterating what I have said on so many comments on ImgFlip. Yes I definitely understand that socialism, fascism, communism, nazism and any other version of collectivism MUST create a divide, even if it does not exist, between the oppressed and oppressor. If they can create that divide then they can begin to try to convince the majority that they are being oppressed. It is irrelevant if they are actually oppressed or not. In the UNITED STATES, NO ONE IS OPPRESSED, yet it appears that 63% of people under 30 are convinced that either they themselves are oppressed or other people are being oppressed. Entire mythologies have been built up based on this false premise. It is so entrenched into our culture that even some conservatives believe there are people who are being oppressed.

If anyone is being oppressed it is not at any group level. Business owners cannot oppress an employee who can leave whenever they want. The rich just cannot oppress the poor unless they can convince some corrupt politicians to make laws that hurt the poor. THOSE POLICITIANS WHO OPPRESS THE POOR ARE DEMOCRATS. White people just do not sit around all day long thinking new way to oppress those of every other race. While people spend 0% of the time think up ways to oppress anyone, UNLESS they are white liberals.

There has been times when groups were oppressed in this country. Slavery did exist. There was a genocide against Native Americans. Democrats voted in the Jim Crow laws. But those don't exist any more. No one is oppressed these days, regardless of the brainwashing the left is doing.

There is one exception but they are being butchered not oppressed. Right now we have unborn babies at risk of being ripped to pieces, while alive, and screaming in pain and fear, just because their mother finds them an inconvenience.

BTW I am not saying all eugenicists are socialists but all socialists are eugenicists. It was eugenicists who concocted a "right" to murder babies. Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist and a socialist.

Ah yes, the OLD LIE, that SOCIALISM AND NAZISM are ONE AND THE SAME. Any time spent RESEARCHING these ideologies will DISPROVE that lie IMMEDIATELY.

Uh... Hello??? NAZI stands for National SOCIALIST German's Workers Party.

Even if Hitler went off in his own direction, he used socialism to get power. That right there is a major flaw in socialism. It attracts dictators because all political power resides in the government. Socialists will say the collective but who controls the collective. Certainly not the collective. And if you seriously still think it is the collective then you do not understand how true democracies (just like socialism) always fails. It is tyranny of the majority.

The United States of America was founded on all political power being in the hands of the individual. All the government is supposed to do is enforce laws, laws that were decided by the people through their elected representatives. With the elected representatives they can determine if a law is tyrannical and may cause harm to a minority of the people.

Hitler was most definitely a socialist. He started off in the German Socialist Party before he formed is National Socialist German Workers Party. It is not a lie.

The OLD LIE is socialism, it's communism, it's fascism and it is nazism. Because they promise utopia and deliver dystopia.

It's mainly that in each of these systems the government control the means of production, but each system claims to do it in the name of something
Socialism - in the name of the people (individual)
Communism- in the name of the people (majority)
Nazism - in the name of the people (genetic purity)
In reality they all do it in the name of people in power. At least in the US we have the people in power fighting each other in the 3 branches of government.

I only have one minor disagreement with you. I think both socialism, communism (and I would include fascism) all do it in the name of the social planners and the ruling elite. The difference is when socialism begins to fail because they can't get anything done they resort to force, which makes them communist.

The nazis still did it for the ruling elite but they blamed the Jews for their own failures. Hitler also believed in racial purity first, and German born second.

On a side note which doesn't have much to do with the above. I met a woman way back in the 1970's. Her parents had immigrated from Germany to Mexico. She was born in Mexico. When she reached college age she wanted to go to Germany. Unfortunately for her Hitler was in power. Even though she was 100% German they put her in a concentration camp just because she was born in Mexico. She showed me the number they tattooed on her arm.