If "immigrants" followed due process entering the country, they would have due process before deportation.

Did they apply for a visa with a stated purpose for their visit? Not that hard unless you're a fully indoctrinated communist who hates America and all it stands for, like life and stuff.

No sh*t!

When a police department stops a person for probable cause, hat person is required by law to identify themselves. If the ID that they provided the police does not shows that they are a US citizen, valid/unexpired green card holder, or have a valid/enexpired work or student visa, what does that mean? It means they are illegally here. Every green card holder must keep their green card in possession with them at all times. Every non-citizen must have a valid passport and/or visa in their position at all times.

In non-sanctuary political entities, police will refer non-citizens to federal authorities. As it should be everywhere.

But what if their ID got lost, stolen, hidden by an angry ex...?
Yeah, unlikely, but there still is that possibility.

There are real Americans born and raised that don't have no ID.

They still can go to the office and get a copy of their birth certificate, then take that birth certificate copy, and get their social security card. All of this stuff is easy to do online now.

No. You need two forms of ID to get a Social Security card, one has to be current photo ID. You don't have current photo ID, you have nothing.

You can get your birth certificate replaced without that, but remember that high school diploma looking one that everybody made a big ruckus about that Obama presented? Yeah, that.

A newborn doesn't have a phot id. Obama, snicker.

Scroll up. Up. Up. You see where I say about replacement card? Yeah, that.

PS: I got my Social Security number when I was 17, when I found that I needed one to get working papers.

I understand how hard it can be to get a id. In my state it's social security card and two letters in the mail. I guess social security stopped excepting a birth certificate as a form of id to get a copy. You can't even get into a federal building without a id. And you can't get a id if you have no address. I get it. It is somewhat ass backwards that our government has put into place all these spy cameras, and corporations use facial recognition technology in shopping centers, yet our government can't figure out who is who when it comes to getting a replacement ID or social security card. And that each state has different DMV standards. Very weird world one is living in.

Social Security did not tear up my birth certificate, they 'lost' it.

Sovereign citizens?

If you're poor and have never driven, have no driver's license, don't travel abroad, don't have a government job or whatever else with an ID... well that school ID is only good for 2 years after, and as you get older and have nothing else, you get nothing else.

If you're homeless, lost everything in a fire, have lovely family that hid your ID, etc, even getting a replacement for your Social Security card can be mission impossible.

Here in New York, you need 6 points worth of different types of identification (some are each worth more points than others) to get a driver's license. And if you don't have that, but need ID, people say well just get a State ID instead. But you need 6 points to get that too.

I've told people, if you're ever going to drive or whatever else, apply before you're 18, so at least you could use your parents as proof of who you are. Because once you're 18, you're on your own, identification wise.

These 3 guys that I know once got pulled over in Yonkers for a busted tail light. Two brothers mixed Hispanic, they looked typical 'White,' but the other dude, born and raised here (Bronx) of Puerto Rican background, well he looked what some might consider typical Mexican. The brothers told me this story, they said they felt really bad because the cops kept calling the 3rd guy "esse" and other things referring to him as Mexican, jeering him like that while they had all three sprawled face down on the street. That was a bit over a decade ago. If that happened today and he didn't have a driver's license or passport in his pocket, in theory he could have gotten shipped out to El Salvador or something. And he's a US citizen.

Every state will provide a government issued ID free of charge.
Everyone born at a hospital receives a birth certificate. If someone is poor, welfare pays for birth. And the birth certificate.

There are over 330 million Americans. What credible sources document the percentage of Americans who don’t have a birth certificate or an ID?.
It’s been decades now since the requirement for a child to have a Social Security number to be claimed on a parent tax return and claim Earned Incone Tax Credit has been in existence.

The cops can enter a name, birthdate, and any address one might be able to provide into the computer system and find a match for whatever ID one ever had at any time, including one’s Social Security number. The system can also give them height, weight eye color, hair color and a picture.

Oh, yes, there might be a handful of idiots that don’t have a free ID or never had a Social Security number. But that is nothing compared to the tens of millions of illegals here.
If there’s no data in the system on a person, then it’s probably a 99.99% chance they are an illegal

Unless you were born in a Dempster and never enrolled in school, a birth certificate and social security number is issued upon the birth of any child in the US. That is why anchor babies have created such a mess. We automatically assign place of birth United States to parents who came over illegally and gave birth. The ambassador is not seeming children born in USA as belonging to a foreign government, which they actually should if the parent is a illegal.

You know how I always talk about living through Reagan and the Soviet Union days and all that kind of stuff? Yeah, I was born before 1987. And even if I wasn't, according to that law, the right for parents to apply is strictly optional.

Now I'm going to get lectured by foreigners about how I didn't really get my Social Security card when I was 17.

I'm pretty sure the hospital is obligated to record date time place of birth, sex, and known parents at the time of birth in the US, that is unless your having birth in a alley, and stuck in a human trafficking ring with no access to civilization. It's happening to.

Actually that's a myth, hospitals don't routinely give birth certificates. It's strictly optional. In fact, you usually have to bribe them, or force them to do it with some sort of weighty implement.

So ok sure if your parents were failures at life and failed to request your social security number at the hospital while filling out the pater work, which I guess is still voluntary for some absolutely strange reason, the state still reports the birth certificate to social security. It's up to the parents to apply for the card, and it would be stupid not to get a newborns ss card because of all the tax credits, and ability to open up bank accounts for the child's future. Very important life skills to know.

You got a point there about the "pater work." They probably didn't do that. In fact, I'm pretty sure they didn't do that.

What country do you live in, btw?

One where auto correct is automatic.

Well, let’s see, they don’t have a US birth certificate. They don’t have a US passport, they don’t have a US green card. They don’t have a student visa. They don’t have a tribal ID card. They don’t have a state issued ID card/drivers license. They don’t have a work visa.. The only ID they have is a passport from another country.

Their phone is registered to a number issued in a foreign country. They don’t have a Social Security number.

And how do you know they don't have any of that? There has to be a process, right? A process where the government has to show that someone has no US birth certificate, passport, green card, student visa, or any paperwork that says they're here legally.

They can't point a finger at someone and say "You're here illegally" and immediately deport them.

The system has data on every citizen. Name- check. Date of birth -check. Birth certificate- check. State ID/drivers license - check*. Social Security number - check. Picture - most likely check. Current and past addresses-check.All the person has to do is give the information to the cops and they can run it through the system to see. It’s not necessary to have all those documents on you.

Somebody arrested for crimes is in the system. Arrestees are cross checked for who’s in the system as citizens. Those non-citizens who are convicted are eligible for deportation.

* high, weight, eye color & hair color if one ever had a government issued ID -check.

See the part where you said "are convicted"?

THAT's the due process that needs to happen for every. single. person.

Because every person is innocent until PROVEN guilty. And they can't deport someone until they've gone through the process to prove it.

whistlelick, prove you are a real human being.

No.

For one not having a social security card, or a united states birth certificate is a red flag. Having a expired green card is another, and finally having a expired visa on a passport is final. Having a denial on asylum judgment is another.. all these signs point to illegals.

You've got it! There's this whole thing a... due process... that the government has to go through to prove that someone is here illegally and they need to be returned to their country of origin.

The government has to prove there's no birth certificate, no SSN, no green card, no visa on a passport.

They can't just point at someone and immediately deport them. The government has to go through the whole process- that Due Process- every single time.

The first thing the police or ICE is going to do is identify the person. They want to know name, date of birth, address, etc. When they run that into the system, they will discover that a person they picked up is a US citizen or not. It’s that simple!

Really? That individual that I told you about that their Social Security office lost their birth certificate has someone else with their name and social security number running around out there somewhere.

I have a sibling that found out last year from me that she has a home in Staten Island............ that she didn't know about. I was looking myself up online, and her name came up along with her residences over the years, including that one in Staten Island at present. She lives in Oregon. She doesn't know anybody in Staten Island. I do believe she actually went there one time when we were children. But she has a residence there. She has an identical twin, with an identical name.

Do they have the same birthdate?

Sounds like a nice place to live. She should go move into the house she owns!

She already owns more than one, unless they sold the other which I highly doubt.

Don’t confuse free online personal residence data with actual home ownership.

I too can look up myself on the Internet. Multiple addresses come up. But I can tell you that most of them I did not own.
The free public data sites generally do not disclose ownership or rental status, or even living as a family member.
I am connected online to the address I lived at as a child, but did not rent or own.
Perhaps if your sister was in Staten Island, somehow she got connected to that address.

So in other words, she wasn't pretending she doesn't own a home there when she actually does?

I've also found out while searching myself that, yes, I currently live in the apartment I lived in for 21 years until 2013. And not only that, so does a pseudonym of mine which I've only used online, although I did tell a neighbor of it once, so I guess that's how that ended up as a resident there, although I don't know why she gave anyone that info. And also that I have a job working for my landlords which is funny because I never worked for them. Although that might have been something they came up for insurance purposes due to a a certain activity I had engaged in while living there, who knows. Probably a tax write off too. I don't know how this crap works.

The government doesn't have to prove citizenship to issue visas. Give up, you are being beaten severely between the eardrums.

Yep. They have to ... provide proof.

And what's that a part of? Due Process.

But to deport you for being here illegally it has to ...what?

Prove that you're here illegally and you're actually from Spain. They have to go through a... Due Process... in order to culminate in deporting people.

Well if I was a illegal driving in a car uninsured, with no id, I think I would knowingly be risking braking several laws and if caught wouldn't be surprised if I was reported. It is kinda like the whole warrant out for arrest. Although the person hasn't gone to court yet they still have to sit in jail till sentencing

Braking cars, braking laws, when it comes down to it, it's really all the same thing.

They admit it