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Wouldn't that only count for the men that can get pregnant though?

Not all women can get pregnant either so...

Okay then same thing there they don't have much of opinion to that either, if they don't have the ability to do it then they don't have the right to say anything about it, like if a person has never eaten an orange in their life and says that oranges are bad or oranges are good then their opinion would be meaningless because they have never had an orange in their life

Ha
I'd love to see a video of you going to a female clinic and informing the women who found out that they can't conceive that they've lost their right to talk about abortion

But that doesn't mean they can't talk about getting abortions for other things like having a tumor or some odd growth in their uterus

This is much different. A more accurate analogy would be the following - IF YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN KILLED THEN YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE AN OPINION ON MURDER OR BEING KILLED. Intuitively we know that this makes no sense and that it's different than having not ever tasted an orange. This is a moral issue and intuitively we know that it is wrong to kill an innocent human being without proper justification because we wouldn't want it done to us. We can know this without having gone through the experience.

If you’re a man with a uterus then yes. If not, then forever hold your peace.

and if you're a woman who had a hysterectomy...

The only thing is.. there is no such thing as a man with a uterus lmfao

makes sense

a trans woman told me that what people with uteruses do with them is none of her business

I agree in general but a Baby is not a uterus. That changes things.

Logic is sound or unsound and it doesn't matter what body parts a person has or doesn't have. By your "logic" slavery would still be permissable in America. The plantation owner could have simply said that "If you don't own a plantation then forever hold your peace". If that argument was bad for supporting slavery then how does it become a good argument to support killing an unborn child? It doesn't. It is simply telling the opposition to SHUT UP. Both of these are human rights violations and to say nothing is to support it.

Fine by me. I imagine the pain will make you a lot more sympathetic to the pro-choice side.

For the record, I have no stance on the issue, since it’s so heavily debated

Except that the nature of that first sentence sort of gave it away there.

Why would that change it? According to the so called pro-choicers - it's not about avoiding pain. The bar moves constantly. Choice means that the woman can kill the baby for WHATEVER REASON SHE CHOOSES and WHENEVER. You want your tax/public funds to support someone's personal decision to kill their baby because they want to cover up their affair/bad decision/being irresponsible and the likes? And would you care if it was a 2 year old? Why - or why not?

Listen, I said I’m neutral on the issue. I don’t know the pro-choice side all that well, and it’s not my place to defend every single one of their points. All I want is a different solution where babies lives yet women don’t feel oppressed

Where are these oppressed women? It's a straw woman argument. We've been coopted into nonsense. It's people- women and men- who oppress babies by killing them.

That’s why I said “feel”. Clearly there’s opposition to banning it, so if we find a way to let the babies live without them feeling oppressed, then it can be banned with no muss or fuss

Well to be fair if you dont have a uterus or are infertile it's not a good idea to make laws about abortion. i know a trans woman who said that. she said that she doesn't know what carrying a baby is like, so she asks actual baby carriers what it's like.

Even asking people who've carried babies doesn't give an accurate picture. My pregnancies were glorious, without complications, and the hormones really agreed with me, and even though I had c-sections, I recovered quickly and was back in action. A completely different experience than even average, and way different than someone with multiple complications.

Oh, my, I owe you a reply from a few weeks ago.
I actually DID respond, but then I ran off to take care of something in the house and when I came back later, it wasn't there. So I figure when I hit post, I missed.
Then I was irritated, as it wasn't a short reply, and just figured I'd get back to it later...

... NOW I hit post by accident, and it posted.

Anyways, if by any chance you recall what meme it was on....

Way to dehumanize a woman by labeling her a “Baby Carrier.”

bruh i cant use proper terms

Is it okay to pass laws protecting 2 year olds if I have never had a child/infertile ..... ? Of course it is! I don't need to have a uterus to know that killing an innocent human being is wrong. Using your "logic", why couldn't I rape someone and defend it by stating that "If you have never been as horny as me an had a person as attractive as this one then you should make laws against rape? You may want to rethink this as it's the very same logic.

Well a fetus isn't a human

Also have you ever been pregnant before? It's literally so hard on your body......

That is not true. That's like saying that an infant is not a baby. The word FETUS is Latin for baby. It is a scientific fact that life begins at conception so don't allow yourself to be decieved and do your homework. Heck- getting in good shape is hard on your body but in the end it's worth the work. Same with having a baby. When you kill your baby it's hard on your conscience. But as I stated earlier- the so called choice argument is not that it's hard on your body but I can kill the baby because I wake up one morning and feel like killing her for whatever reason I chose. Heck - it's hard on men who have to go to work everyday to provide for the baby and mother - should I be able to kill them for that reason???? Grow up and be responsible. It's hard to get straight A's in school. It's hard to be a doctor. It's hard to climb a mountain but some things are worth the "hard" and there is no greater reward than supporting a new living and breathing human being and watch them develop. Someone did it for you and it's a necessary hard for the progression of the human race.

I can't find anything saying fetus but baby exactly. Offspring, brood, etc, but not exactly baby. Close, but...
Not that I did exhaustive search, but still.

But still what? The terms mean the same thing. When studying a dead language like Latin or Greek you take what the words meant at the time they were used — not the modern interpretations.

Are you his alt?
No, wait, you're not even addressing what he said, let alone, my question.

my MALE uterusless science teacher said i have the right to remove a parasite from my body.....don't judge women for getting an abortion.....it's none of your business....plus the baby can't feel anything....

Not to mention that if that baby was not aborted, that baby would have been an unwanted child. And that's a terrible life. Some people don't seem to understand the concepts of fates worse than death

Many of my friends said they'd rather die than be an unwanted kid

A baby is not a parasite. Your science teacher was incorrect - he gave you abortion propaganda. And thanks for admitting this by calling it a baby. Here's the question since you spoke the truth regarding what it is - a baby - Since when is it morally acceptable to kill someone because they feel no pain???? Is it acceptable kill my family while they sleep by shooting them - because after all - they won't feel it? NO. So, how does it becaome acceptable to do so to a baby? It doesn't.

Well I don't think it's morally acceptable to have an unwanted kid and force a woman to give birth.

I also don't think it's morally acceptable to value the life of a clump of cells over the rights of a woman who has thoughts and feelings.