This is why they assassinated Patton [He had no idea how correct he was]

They’re extremes on opposites ends. “History is written by the winners”, in this context meaning arguably and historically, communism (directly and indirectly) has caused more deaths than can be contributed to fascism. Fascism is perceived as worse, because of it lost, but not because it doesn’t deserve that reputation.

Do you have the link to show that communists killed more people than fascists/neo-nazis/nazis?

Well, here’s this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book_of_Communism#Estimated_number_of_victims

Of course, these are estimates (as would be any numbers attributed to the Nazis) AND from wikapedia, but it cites their sources if that’s an area of concern. But even if these numbers were considerably off, they would still have more than the reported 6 million in the holocaust.

I saw a quora page showing all the deaths caused by the far-right vs the far-left...

https://www.quora.com/What-killed-more-people-communism-or-fascism

Traditionally the far-left killed more than the far-right but in modern politics, fascists have killed more people

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/27/us-rightwing-extremists-attacks-deaths-database-leftwing-antifa

117 Victims killed in right-wing violence since 2010
21 Victims killed in left-wing violence since 2010

Right wingers are more than 5x more likely to kill people in violence than left wingers today

"Traditionally the far-left killed more than the far-right"

That is utterly false and confusing in how such a notion was come up with, especially coming from one whose very history was stenciled in the blood spilled by the country with the highest murder count of all time, and that done in the name of God and King. You can see images of their family in your pocket.

You know who lost 100 million, maybe 165, from 1880 - 1920 because of their colonizers? India. Half of Iran died during the famine of 1917–1919. HALF. That's 8 - 10 million out of a population of 18 - 20. People staved to death while their food was taken from them so that the Brits can eat pistachios and marzipan. Do you know how many millions of Indians died so that Churchill can keep his arse fat?
India and Iran each far exceed what Hitler killed in the camps. While spanning the globe over the course of three centuries, the British Empire tallied the biggest kill count of any country, far more than the Nazis and the Facists and the Communists COMBINED. All you have to do is look out you window to see the extermination they had wrought.

Tell Envoy this too because the OP is that Envoy first told me that commies killed more people than fascists, which was not fully calculated. Fascists still killed more people than commies per 100,000 people each country.

I didn't know Envoy was still here...

🟧 Two things:
⏺️ So-called Communist countries aren't. They started off with that aim but were quickly taken over by autocrats.
This is basically what happens with all gov'ts. Even the US Founding Fathers that we've deified, they actually originally set out to be our new aristocratic class, our new lords, all set to crown Washington a king. The spectre of armed serfs freshly versed in the fine art of rebellion and 13 colonies trying to assert their own particular needs that may seperate them from the rest ended up taking them us the direction they finally did. The French were inspired by our revolution, last thing our new rulers needed was us getting inspired by their guillotine. The didn't have a 5000 mile wide creek between them and their subjects like George III did to save their wigged heads from mopping the floor with their own blood.
Same deal with Stalin, Mao, Castro - dictators are nothing more but wannabe kings, sans the lineage to refer to.
So regardless of a radical ideology that would be classed as "Leftist," they were hijacked and refitted to same old Animal Farm, Right Wing with some cute curtains of faux-deology to doll up the windows behind which is rule by decree.

⏺️ As for the 100 million, if you look into it, you'll see that it's an estimate, more a guesstimate, and the aim was more towards fluffing up to that nice big round number than being realistic.
Also "killed" is a matter of perspective, of interpretation, as there is a difference between millions dying in famines exacerbated by bad central planning and someone deliberately setting forth to extirpate people domestically or abroad via war.
Stalin and Mao may have been brutal, but they did not outright set out to kill that many people. Hitler, on the other hand, was out to wipe everyone out except the Germans. That's a BIG difference. Bad crops and improperly managed mass works projects & policy are not the same as setting out to massacre millions of citizens and foreigners.

There aren't even much communist countries to this day. Vietnam is the only country I can recall that is communist.

Vietnam is NOT Communist, none of them ever were, other than in name only. Or is that Democratic? Or Republic? Those are in their names also.
The only places actual Communism has been tried are Jewish communs in Argentina, the Hassidic Co-op movement in earlier 20th Century NYC, and Kibbutzes in Israel. It simply isn't feasible on a large country-wide scale.
China got somewhat closer early on, but soon veered off from it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-pacific-16567315

Why would I need a link explaining to me who Jimmy Savile is when I'm the one that posted the **** ****ing *****'s name? (I can't even not speak kindly of someone like that, or it's another 48)

I don't do links, especially when it comes through stuff that I lived through.

So you don't trust the BBC?

Ok, now you're t*****ing, and I'll get 48 if I respond accordingly. I'm not even allowed to use the word, fer cryin out loud.

The BBC? Any connection to Jimmy Savile?

Trust is irrelevant.

What part of "stuff that I lived through" did you not understand? Your parents weren't even born yet!

Jimmy Savile a DJ turned TV host was one of the BBC’s top presenters of the 1970s and 1980s.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-bbc-savile-police-idUKBRE89O10Y20121026

Indeed. “Colonialism” gets overlooked in these discussions of fascism vs. communism, but it’s been going on a lot longer than either of those two ideologies, and it affected more of the world.

You mentioned the British Empire, and if you want to throw in the Spanish and Portuguese as well, who between the two of them literally divvied up most of the world, and were the architects of the first wave of European colonization of the Western Hemisphere (along with all the smallpox, slavery, invasive species, and associated maladies they brought with them), oh boy…

And we’re not even talking about the French, Dutch, Belgians and the German Empire *before* Nazism…

Aye.

I had singled out the British in terms of outdoing Communists, Nazis, Fascists, and all the rest in the kill count.

The Spanish and Portuguese not only did the same, they tended towards even more cruel about it, especially the Spanish, whose brutality was gruesome to the point of being sickeningly unbelievable.

Leopold II also outdid Hitler all by himself, and did so in ways later emulated by other European colonizes throughout Africa.

I'm surprised that they haven't used that theory!

Super important point here. “Communism” may have killed more people than fascism overall. I think that is right.

But! But but but!

—Communist governments controlled countries with *larger populations* than fascist countries. There’s never been a “fascist” government that controlled a country as populous as China (for instance). The USSR had a larger population than Germany.

—Communists generally controlled countries for *longer* than fascists. How long did Hitler control Germany? Off the top of my head, I think it was 12 years (1933-1945). Stalin ruled the Soviet Union from 1922-1953. If you’re talking about two equivalent governments (but one controls the same country for longer), then the longer-term government will oversee more deaths, expectedly.

So when it comes to, say, a Hitler vs. Stalin comparison, you can’t compare apples-and-apples, only apples-and-oranges, which is frustrating but we have to be aware of the limits of how much we can do by way of comparison.

That’s a good point. I’d be interested in seeing the math of how they stack up against each other, if the populations were equal.

Still, even if these deaths were merely a statistical difference, and not that of a measure of cruelty, the deaths still happened at the hands of the leaders and governments.

Done, it's a low-rated comment

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Don't forget that Andrew Bolt claimed that Socialists "wiped out even more people than the Nazis"

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Intent as well counts.
Stalin, Mao, etc, had dissidents killed, the rest died from famine made worse by poor planning.
Hitler wanted to exterminate everyone else on the planet who wasn't German and set his army forth to do so.

"Stalin killed over 20 million of his own people. Hitler killed 6 million along with Mussolini’s 400,000
Though sources disagree, many of the numbers suggest that Mao had killed somewhere between 65 and 100 million of his own people over his lifetime rule of China.
Pol Pot had killed 1.5 to 2 million people.
Hirohito had killed somewhere between 3 and 10 million people.
Castro killed over 10,000 of his own people."

Germany's population in 1939 was 79.7 million people
Italy's population in 1939 was 43.5 million
The Soviet Union's population was 168 million at the end of 1933.
China's population was just under 930 million at 1976.
Cambodia's population was 6.307 million in 1976
Japan's population was over 124 million in 1989
Cuba's population was over 9.6 million in 1976.

Fascist/Neo-Nazi/Nazi place population: 123.2 million
Commie place population (estimate): 280 million.

"Fascists (Going off of higher statistics): 16,400,000

Communists (Higher Statistics):

122,010,000

Now for the lower statistics.

Fascists: 9,400,000

Communists: 86,510,000"

Meaning Fascist caused between 7629 to 13312 deaths per 100,000 people for two countries
Whereas Communists caused between 30896 to 43575 deaths per 100,000 people for six countries.

We're not finished yet, per country Fascists have caused up to 6656 deaths per 100,000 people each country, compared to Commies causing around 6206 deaths per 100,000 people each country.

This is just an estimation, but overall Fascists killed more people than communists but not by too much

https://countrystudies.us/germany/84.htm
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1015957/total-population-italy-1770-2020/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Census_(1937)
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1066956/population-japan-historical/
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/CUB/cuba/population

100,000,000. What a cute nice number.
If you look at how that number was concluded, it was number first, death counts after, with some fudging on those big estimates.

Hitler had 11 million or more killed in the death camps. 6 is just one group out of them.

If you look into it, you'll see that it's an estimate, more a guesstimate, and the aim was more towards that nice big round number.
Also "killed" is a matter of interpretation, as there is a difference between millions dying in famines exacerbated by bad central planning and somene deliberately trying to exterminate people to the point of extinction or via war.
Stalin and Mao may have been brutal, but they did not outright kill that many people. Hitler, on the other hand, was out to wipe everyone out except the Germans. That's a BIG difference.

I guess so

11 million*
Or was it 12? Contay to rumor, Hitler killed a variety of people in the camps, not just one group tallying at 6 million.

6 million is the number I’ve always heard, but I would believe you if you said it was more.

6 million Jews.
The 5 million additional are Roma (AKA Gypsies, who actually were killed more in proportion to their population than Jews), Slavs, Muslims, Catholics, Communists, the disabled, political dissidents, etc...)

I mean, LGBTQ+s were clearly targeted for roundup and extermination by the Nazis yet they're conspicuously missing from your detailed list.

Why are you so homophobic?

Did you just downgrade the LGBTQ+ community to the "etc"?

Did you?

oh, wait