I have nothing against trans men and trans women. This is about equality in sports.

Nope... you didn't address their comment... you just deflected from it... as usual... LOL

And M & M's announcing a transgender cartoon M & M isn't them hoping to squeeze pennies out of all of the gullible cult followers of transgenderism?

if transgender people are really the gender they’re faking to be, they wouldn't need the prefix

Except they aren't faking

Some aren't, but plenty are these days.

Nope... They said... "Both situations are people who don't exude the interior and exterior persuasions biologically - competing against people who do exude the interior and exterior persuasions biologically... And gain a distinctive advantage over their competitors for it.

Prove me wrong." and NOTHING you said addressed that.

That presupposes that the person is genuinely transgender, and isn't pretending to be transgender for clout and money (like Dylan Mulvaney).

How do you know she is doing that

Because I have eyes and a healthy dose of common sense.

Pretend: To give a false appearance of

this dilemma here is why culture wars are virtually infinite. neither side gives an inch, and any attempts to take a middle ground are either 'transphobia' or 'enabling delusional people', depending on who you ask. arguing about the real gender of trans people is pointless.
the question both of you have to ask if you want to get anywhere with your argument is this: is it fair for someone who transitions male-to-female after normal male puberty to compete in women's sports?

Exactly. And the answer is no. They have a distinct physical competitive advantage from years of their body building male muscle mass.

alright, there's one answer. does anyone else want to take a swing?

"does the fact that they underwent normal male puberty, unlike their cisgender female competitors, make any difference in their physical capacity for competition?"

Not necessarily. Someone with a physically male body can compete against women and lose.

that is always a possibility, but I think that those circumstances are outliers. this science journal makes some interesting points:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9331831/
though it does explain that HRT does alter the original body significantly in section 3.3, it also explains the effects of innate testosterone are very difficult to fully negate in 3.1 and the conclusion.
in exact words: "Studies in transgender women...show muscle mass is retained for many months, even years, and that co-comittant exercise mitigates muscle loss." so, compounding the shortcomings of the hormone replacement therapy is the fact that any athlete who wants to be competitive is going to engage in "co-comittant excersize", which will go harder against the HRT.
i don't know what this all means in terms of "fairness", but I am pretty sure that it indicates a significant difference in cisgender and transgender athletic performance, because testosterone normally indicates greater physical performance than estrogen does.
what do you think? is this just an issue that more estrogen in the HRT can fix?

"is it fair for someone who transitions male-to-female after normal male puberty to compete in women's sports?"

I think so

all right. does the fact that they underwent normal male puberty, unlike their cisgender female competitors, make any difference in their physical capacity for competition?

You can't change you're gender. If you're a male, you identify as a male. Males and females are built differently. Ever notice how most of the time, a gold male will do better than a gold female? They split up genders for a reason, the same way the split up people who have Down syndrome.

So you're saying they have to physically pretend they are the other sex?

They aren't pretending

If they physically have male anatomy - but put on make up and dresses to look female, yes - they are physically pretending. Theybarent internally pretending - but outwardly they are.

That’s common sense however many lack common sense 😉

That's a rare condition. Being trans isn't rare, at all

The person identifies as having down syndrome

Having a pee-pee and balls instead of a clam and ovaries is a medical diagnosis too.

Exactly!

That's not a medical diagnosis, it's physical characteristics. And physical characteristics don't necessarily match with gender identity

Yes it is. If you put the person in a room, with a doctor - who has no preconceived information or notions about the patient...

And you asked that doctor to identify the gender of the patient...

The doctor would complete an analysis and have a diagnosis. "This persons condition is having a Weiner and testicles - their gender is male"

FACTS 🙌🏻

Nice attempt to obfuscate with wording.

"Someone who's transgender isn't pretending to be a different gender. It's who they are."

Okay, but what about someone who's pretending to be transgender?

Your problem is you accept everyone's word at face value when they claim to be transgender, which is the exact same problem of those on the right who deny transgenderism exists at all.

Of course it exists, it's a birth defect like any other, one where the "wiring" gets crossed in the development stages.

There are far more transgender people now than ever, thanks to exploding world population and chemical pollutants affecting our chromosomal development, but there aren't nearly as many true transgenders as there are people who *claim* to be transgender.

And that's not even counting the "non binary" "pronouns" crowd, which is complete bullshit and has nothing to do with transgenderism. That's just people deliberately confusing gender with personality, a result of the "everyone is special" snowflake mentality making them want to feel unique. Them claiming to be transgender is actually *harmful* to the true trans community, in large part due to the negative public perception they've earned, which they infect the trans community with by claiming association.

Those who pretend to be transgender are likewise harmful to the true trans community.

Yeah, what you said.