50+ hours a week.

White privilege is a made up term by people that hate Whites.

the black community (at least where I live) does not celebrate d*ug addicts. I do believe that it's an unfortunate stereotype the black community suffers.

I don't live in a small black community. And I will correct you: stereotypes come from half-truths, rumours and lies.

No , you simply stated that white class oppression is not as bad as minority class suppression " lmfao You are talking in circles and making 0 points because all your points are made from baseless claims of injustices never you never experienced.

42 years on this earth working with every class of people and living half of that life on the streets , working my way through college and earning an associates in applied sciences is all the proof I need. Want to see how black live and their culture first hand? Come down to Chicago and I personally show you around the blocks and I guarantee you'll change your tune about "stereotypes of the black community".

Try reading "the grapes of wrath" by John Steinbeck, or the Jungle by Upton Sinclair, and The first Frontier , by Scott Weidensaul. It will open your eyes to the horrors whites had to endure to get where we are today.

yea, I know. It's just how I worded it. it IS a stereotype though.

No "you" just believe the things you are saying.. because you "read " it in a book. I have life experience to the counter of what you are trying to sell me. This poor black bullshit doesn't work with people that had it just as bad and 100x worst.

Living off my parents? I guess you missed the point where I received my college Associates degree in applied sciences and became a welder.. but that's okay .. projection with liberal left wingers is common place. when you grow up and start to actually live life out side of a class room .. some day you are going to say "holy f**k.. that dude on imgflip was right all along" lol have a nice life . I am done with you and this conversation.

Blee is a hard core left winger that based her entire life pushing left wing conspiracy theories about white right wingers. not interested in bias hack writers.

kkk ? is that even a thing a anymore? If you wanted to see people that kill blacks every day and cause black kids to die for nothing .. look no further than black gangs. But I am sure Blee , your hack go to writer , will blame some dead white power group that only exists in the farthest reaches of the liberal mind.

LoL unsubstantiated lmfao "academic literature" lmfao Bless your heart. Your bubble is very nice and pretty .. i hope it never pops.

Sadly true I’d rather them both to be the same

because firms pick from whoever applies, not whoever they want, and they also make judgments based on stereotypes of productivity. that's part of why firms pay black people less because there's an assumed lower level of productivity. this is the same reason why women are paid less. It's not derived from facts about productivity but social assumptions of productivity.

welcome to the world of micro-economics. you literally don't know what you're talking about.

Women are not paid less, they EARN less.

I've listened to people with actual degrees in economics repeatedly debunk the gender wage gap. I'll take their word over someone who's only currently studying it.

Then why did my PhD economics professor talk about it in class? 👀

"Then why did my PhD economics professor talk about it in class? 👀"

To conform to the agenda, or to push a false narrative, or because he wanted to keep his job, or he/she is not actually that good at economics?

I could say the people you heard from have an agenda and a false narrative. it's a weak argument since you have no evidence to support your argument. My professor however, has text books and peer reviewed studies to support his argument. so yeah... keep the tinfoil hat on i guess.

Yes, you could indeed make the same claims. However, that doesn't mean you're right, even (or in fact especially) with your use of the credentials fallacy.

The reason your professor is suspect as a source is because educators working in the system these days are having their careers held hostage to make sure they teach the approved curriculum, which lately bears little resemblance to the actual facts they're supposed to be teaching.

here's the national bureau of economic research https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w21913/w21913.pdf

I would find more sources but this was all from a quick glance through a google search.

now it's a credentials fallacy. okay. well here's the economist, an economics news journal, talking about the gender pay gap https://www.economist.com/leaders/2017/10/07/the-gender-pay-gap-that-still-needs-to-be-closed?utm_medium=cpc.adword.pd&utm_source=google&ppccampaignID=18798097116&ppcadID=&utm_campaign=a.22brand_pmax&utm_content=conversion.direct-response.anonymous&gclid=Cj0KCQjw2cWgBhDYARIsALggUhrBKEwD9H7IfRN3kcBODuHFqd3fVRB_ik1w01zgotpOXq6OY6pclyYaAjO9EALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

here's the economic policy institute https://www.epi.org/publication/what-is-the-gender-pay-gap-and-is-it-real/#:~:text=gender%20wage%20gap%3F-,The%20wage%20gap%20means%20women%20are%20paid%3A,the%20typical%20man%20is%20paid.

here's pew research center https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2023/03/01/gender-pay-gap-facts/

here's the American economic association https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/jel.20160995

here's the OECD a source that is bipartisan trusted. https://data.oecd.org/earnwage/gender-wage-gap.htm

Actually Asians are at the top of the American average income ladder.

I believe Nigerian-Americans also average out higher than whites, but don't quote me on that. If not higher, then a close third.

Asian Americans have a larger income disparity than other ethnic groups. There's a few very rich Asian Americans skewing your average. Sorry you are incorrect again.

And the exact same isn't true for white people? 🤔🤦‍♂️

The income gap for Asian Americans wouldn't be larger if it was the same for white Americans... So no... The exact same isn't true.

So you're saying that it's not a very few rich white Americans (relative to population) skewing their average?

Well, hurry up and decide.

Wrong- the pay scale in most blue collar jobs, like mine, is set by a contract. How much you are paid depends on how long you have been on the job- that's it.

I do welding and this is exactly how it works.. but you are trying to explain things to someone that thinks burger flippers should be given the same wages as a fork lift driver.

Precisely- a contract is a contract, no matter what color your skin is.

Yeah that's absolutely not true. Contract labour absolutely has disparity between demographics if there's no union to regulate rates. Especially since new employees expect to make less at first and won't necessarily see the same increases.

They will see exactly the same time in service raises- that is how contracts work.

That's how collective contracts work. A contract with an individual has no obligation to remain consistent with other individuals contracts. If you have a collective contract you're doing union work, weather the union is formalized or not.

Last I checked, unions aren't set up by and according to company policies that were enacted when the doors opened on the first day of business. You're not correct here: stop trying to re-write obvious facts- it's offensive.

If you define legitimacy by a firm and governments recognition of legitimacy that's up to you, but if that was the only way a union could exist we wouldn't have unions in the first place. Do you think some politician or CEO was like. Oh hey let's make unions so we can give more benefits to our employees. No, unions and anarchists fought and died for the 8 hour work day and the elimination of child labour. Formalized union structures allow workers to bargain in more limited ways, often disallowing general strikes and most direct action. You should read up on the Haymarket affair, big bill Heywood, the Quebec general strike, the rednecks (the term comes from american industrial workers who wore red bandanas around their necks and had direct and violent conflicts with their bosses and the US government because of abhorrent working conditions.

You would have nothing of any benefit without the hard work of unions that were not legitimised through state and corporate regulation.

And the time for unions has passed, thanks to modern business practices that don't treat workers as the company's adversaries. They recognize that treating employees well and giving excellent benefits results in better work results.

The little benefits you keep despite not being in a union is directly correlated with your hegemony as a white person.

"white person isn't name calling, it's a descriptor"-The way the left uses the terms "White, Whiteness" etc. is clearly name calling. The term is meant to denote a negative portrayal of a certain group of people based on skin color- the very definition of racism. And didn't you yourself criticize someone in one of the mysteriously deleted comments above for using the term "Black" to describe a group of people? I seem to recall you saying it was "kinda racist". And, by the way, what makes you think I am "White"?

white person isn't name calling, it's a descriptor. lol. your comment is racist.

And there it is: the foundation less accusation of white supremacy. I am surrounded by coworkers from a multitude of ethnic backgrounds, both heterosexual and non, some of whom emigrated from nations around the world who all do the same job I do and receive exactly the same pay scale and benefits as me. Resorting to the baseless statement you have is proof you have lost the argument.

you should read up about E B DuBois concept of double consciousness.

Let's see, W E B Dubois' concept of Double Consciousness: that would be were he made his famous quote about the curious sensation of judging oneself by looking through the eyes and ideas of others. If you are suggesting that I should apply this concept in my life, my response is, what ever gave you the idea that I care what others think of me?

Unions have only ever reduced my pay with excessive fees, while not preventing layoffs. Also, ALL employees get the same time in service pay raises because of the contract: there are no discretionary raises. My employer is one of many in this country that have this pay structure. Your contrarian statements don't change objective facts, no matter how committed to your ideology you are.

Yeah that's cause you don't organize in your union. Get some worker solidarity and elect good union reps? That's your own fault.

The company I work for now is non-union. We all work under the same, single contract- again, there is NO management discretion as to who gets a raise. When you have put in your time, you get your scheduled raises PERIOD. This is the pay structure utilized by just about EVERY non-union company in my field. We also, thanks to our elected Values committee who have input every time our SINGLE contract is re-negotiated, have equivalent benefits to any union shop without the ridiculous union fees. The unions that exist for my field are major national unions that "represent" workers from many companies. If you believe one shop getting "some worker solidarity" and electing the right union reps. from their ranks will have any effect on a national union that is essentially it's own company that primarily exists to continue it's own existence (i.e: getting more dues paying members to support the CEO level salaries of the union execs) then you are being naive at best. And frankly, your continued efforts tell to tell a person with 30+ years of real world experience in a highly skilled, and federally regulated blue collar job wrong and incorrect because your leftist, probably tenured, and probably Marxist 'Economics" professor says so is offensive, at best.

That's still a union if you're bargaining collectively with your co workers. A union doesn't have to be formalized or incorporated. It's literally two or more people working together to negotiate with the boss.

Wrong- this all done according to written company policy. This whole process was instituted by company management because it works and results in better productivity.

So you didn't collectively bargain a collective contract? Wow. No wonder you're suffering.

No, we're not suffering- that's my point.

"I honestly don't believe it unless I see it, I've never seen a business actually take care of their employees. I'd be more interested in the private comments of your minority co-workers when they don't feel like you or your employers are looking over their shoulder."- Your trust issues are your own. All I have given you are the straight facts of how things really work in my industry today, and all you have responded with is straight up boilerplate leftist ideology. And of course, when you run out of things to say, you predictably pull the pin on the old "Racist" grenade and toss it into the room. And, who ever said I'm "white"? Maybe I am, or maybe I'm not. Are you saying you can tell based just on what I say and believe? Now THAT would be racist.

I honestly don't believe it unless I see it, I've never seen a business actually take care of their employees. I'd be more interested in the private comments of your minority co-workers when they don't feel like you or your employers are looking over their shoulder.

Class oppressions doesn't involve race. Classes are determined by money and wealth. There are 10s of millions of whites that struggle with class war fare , and there are millions of blacks that benefit from it.. look at the obamas and Al sharpton for 2 examples off the top of my head.

Utter garbage , saying poor white people have it easier because they are white and poor blacks have it harder because they are black is a commentary of pure ignorance and lack of life experience. The reason there are less successful blacks is the cultural difference, in the cites they have upwards of a 90% fatherless rate, it is staggering . The culture of impregnating women and leaving them is an upward trend with blacks and it is gaining more steam which means even less blacks will be successful. Sorry, but blacks are their own worst enemy when it comes to success.

"just because a white worker is oppressed by his class status doesn't mean there aren't ways that he has things easier than a racialized person." Do you even know what you write?

You are splitting hairs . That is what you are doing.

Again your social justice books examples are formed from totally biased view points, it is like me telling you to watch Hannity on Fox news to get information.

Nothing I mention points out how bad minorities are , they simply show truths about what white people experienced. I am sorry you been brain washed by left wingers in college and you put so little value on life experience and so much on some hack writers.