Good Guy with a gun beats police that are minutes away or too cowardly to act!

1,513 views • 68 upvotes • Made by thenukeman123 2 years ago in politics
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[deleted]
11 ups, 2y
Responsible gun owner who actually used their gun in a proper way 

I compliment the person that handled it
thenukeman123
8 ups, 2y, 2 replies
Police say it took Elisjsha Dicken just 15 seconds to neutralize a man who opened fire on shoppers at an Indiana mall; quick action they believe saved countless lives.

"The time lapse between the moment that Jonathan Sapirman exited the restroom and began shooting, and when he was shot by the civilian was only fifteen seconds, not two minutes," Greenwood Police Chief James Ison said 'Good Samaritan' took out mall shooter in 15 seconds, landed 8 of 10 shots,  Yet we have liberals here to say he was wrong!!! LOL how pathetic is a liberals thought process!!!
[deleted]
5 ups, 2y
Indian law is very specific on the type and placement of signage required.

Improper signage has no force of law.

It is interesting that since the new law for premitless carry took a force on July 1st there have been more stores taking down their old no gun signs.
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Octavia_Melody
2 ups, 2y, 2 replies
Stavka100
7 ups, 2y, 2 replies
Show me some anti-gun libs praising the Hero from Indiana. If you can't illustrate the left's varied opinions on this topic, then the original poster is correct.
Octavia_Melody
0 ups, 2y
"As such, all your statements are in line with the traditional leftist views"

No, they aren't 

"you support 30,000 gun laws that make keeping and/or bearing firearms virtually impossible for an average citizen."

That is a lie. Go read what I actually wrote instead of making up stuff that I never said.
Octavia_Melody
2 ups, 2y, 2 replies
I like how you had to add the "anti-gun" qualifier to make your argument. Of course someone who's anti-gun would oppose any use of a gun.

If you had said "show me some libs praising the hero from Indiana", I probably could.
MegadrummerJ
4 ups, 2y, 1 reply
So do it...
Octavia_Melody
2 ups, 2y, 2 replies
Me
MegadrummerJ
2 ups, 2y, 1 reply
So you admit that most law abiding Americans should be able to carry guns?
Octavia_Melody
1 up, 2y, 1 reply
For the most part, yes
[deleted]
2 ups, 2y, 3 replies
?

Please elaborate, Sir.
Octavia_Melody
1 up, 2y, 1 reply
Yes, I believe in innocent until proven guilty
[deleted]
2 ups, 2y
Good! 

So,  You are against red flag laws then.
Octavia_Melody
1 up, 2y
"You don't know what RKBA is?

Let me help.

Right To Keep and Bear Arms."

Thanks. I've never seen that acronym before
Octavia_Melody
1 up, 2y, 1 reply
If somebody is legally qualified to own a gun and they want to take one with them when they are out running errands, I think they should be allowed to do that.

But I also believe there are some people who are legally allowed to own a gun, but that doesn't necessarily mean they can always be trusted with one.

Some legal gun owners have problems with anger or other things that could possibly be a safety issue.
[deleted]
2 ups, 2y
Innocent until proven guilty?
MegadrummerJ
2 ups, 2y, 1 reply
So you admit that law abiding people should be able to be armed, and that it is actually a  GOOD thing? Also you must be admitting it was OK for him to be carrying one of those OH SO EVIL semi-automatic pistols?
Octavia_Melody
2 ups, 2y
I never said semi automatic pistols were evil. I own a few myself
Stavka100
4 ups, 2y, 1 reply
How could anyone "oppose any use of a gun", when a use of a gun saved countless lives?

If you can show me some PRO gun libs, praising or not, I too would find that fascinating. I know there are pro gun democrats, but these are centrists, not retar ... I mean leftists.
Octavia_Melody
2 ups, 2y, 1 reply
"How could anyone "oppose any use of a gun", when a use of a gun saved countless lives?"

How could anyone oppose any use of abortion when abortion has saved lives?

"If you can show me some PRO gun libs, praising or not, I too would find that fascinating"

I am one
Stavka100
3 ups, 2y, 1 reply
Are you pro-gun like dems running for election are pro-gun ... "I'm not anti-gun, I just want kommon cenz gun control".  I bet you are.

- Less than half of one percent of all abortions are done to save a mother's life.

- Less than a quarter of one percent of all guns are used to commit crime.

Your arguments are invalid.
Octavia_Melody
2 ups, 2y, 1 reply
"Are you pro-gun like dems running for election are pro-gun ... "I'm not anti-gun, I just want kommon cenz gun control". I bet you are"

I am pro-gun in the sense that I strongly support the Second Amendment, but I also believe there should be some common sense laws in place, like many of the ones we have.
Stavka100
3 ups, 2y, 1 reply
Exactly.  This is how you spot an anti-2A person from a mile away. They will support any and every restriction to RKBA simply by calling it "common sense laws", while claiming they are not against 2A.

Your answer discredits both of your statements. One, that you are pro-2A and two, that you are an independent thinker.  I knew what you were going to say before you said it, and even knew the exact verbiage you were going to use.
Octavia_Melody
2 ups, 2y, 3 replies
"This is how you spot an anti-2A person from a mile away. They will support any and every restriction to RKBA simply by calling it "common sense laws", while claiming they are not against 2A."

I don't know what RKBA is, but I never said I support any and every restriction.

"Your answer discredits both of your statements. One, that you are pro-2A and two, that you are an independent thinker"

Then prove it. Prove both of those are true.

"I knew what you were going to say before you said it, and even knew the exact verbiage you were going to use"

Amazing powers you have. Now tell me this: how many guns do I own, and what are they?
[deleted]
2 ups, 2y
You don't know what RKBA is?

Let me help.

Right To Keep and Bear Arms.
Stavka100
2 ups, 2y
RKBA - Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

2A says that the Right to Keep and Bear Arms shall not be infringed.

Irrelevant if you have or don't have guns. Having guns and supporting gun control is a very common trait of the left, and limousine liberals especially. It is a trait of elitism. Some of the biggest supporters of gun control either have guns and carry permits, or have armed security.

As such, all your statements are in line with the traditional leftist views. You don't support one law that bans all civilian gun ownership, you support 30,000 gun laws that make keeping and/or bearing firearms virtually impossible for an average citizen.
Modda
1 up, 2y
Literally the 1st pic that turned up when searching Nugent!

Naah, bruh, you can only be legit pro-gunner if you're a gun fetishing kill-em-all wannabe pretend gonzo psycho with a big assed pair of piss holding boots like the Nuge, who hunts his own hand-fed gazelles (I kid you not, was on VH1! Filling the trough while they gathered round! I mean, a kid could have killed one with his bare hands, Mr Big Man Ballz was surrounded!) from his cute lil' big ol' treehouse that's supposed to conceal him from his petting zoo!

Someone like you that owns guns for actual needed protection for REAL real doesn't count!
lokiare
6 ups, 2y, 2 replies
Leftists are generally programed to think almost exactly alike. Unlike conservatives.
Octavia_Melody
2 ups, 2y, 1 reply
"Leftists are generally programed to think almost exactly alike. Unlike conservatives"

Bullshit
Modda
1 up, 2y, 1 reply
Conservatism is about conformity.

Liberalism keeps laying on new causes,,,
OhWell
3 ups, 2y, 1 reply
Tell us you don't understand us without telling us.
lokiare
0 ups, 2y, 1 reply
I understand leftists completely.
OhWell
0 ups, 2y
Was responding to modda, not you.
Modda
1 up, 2y, 1 reply
There is only ONE conservatism, a monolithic, myopic, ossified, singular past mythologizing machine.

What you would term "leftism" is a myriad assortment of stances and causes, diffuse, ever branching.
Octavia_Melody
2 ups, 2y, 3 replies
I also don't count because I believe in (gasp!) common sense gun laws, like keeping guns out of the hands of felons and spouse-beaters
[deleted]
1 up, 2y, 1 reply
Okn those laws are on the books let's enforce them.

Name another.
Octavia_Melody
1 up, 2y, 1 reply
When you fill out the paperwork to purchase a gun it asks a number of questions, like have you ever renounced your US citizenship, been adjudicated mentally defective in court, etc. The things on that list are pretty much the ones I agree with.
[deleted]
1 up, 2y, 1 reply
OK, you know it is against the law to lie on a 4473.

Can you say Hunter Biden?

The problem is nobody is ever prosecuted for that.

How about if we try to enforce those kind of laws rather than try to come up with new ones that wont-work either.

Straw purchases are against the law, but the ATF ran a straw purchase operation twice and failed twice.

So what NEW common sense gun control do we need?
Octavia_Melody
1 up, 2y, 1 reply
I'm sure it's against the law to lie on those forms, but that doesn't mean everybody slips through the cracks

"How about if we try to enforce those kind of laws rather than try to come up with new ones that wont-work either"

I agree we should enforce the laws that are already on the books, but it's not an either/or situation.

"So what NEW common sense gun control do we need?"

I didn't say we need new ones
[deleted]
1 up, 2y
Funny, I didn't realize you were locked step with the NRA.

Saying enforce the laws on the books. We don't need new laws.
lokiare
0 ups, 2y
Actually criminals lose all rights according to the constitution so that's already a thing.
Modda
1 up, 2y, 1 reply
But everyone should have a gone. Except them criminals in Chicago. Why they allow guns in prison there, I just don't know, but they shouldn't.
lokiare
0 ups, 2y
Criminals don't follow laws have you not figured that out yet by watching DC politicians?
Frush91_novai
5 ups, 2y
LETS GO
JustForLols
4 ups, 2y
Greenwood Park Mall Shooting Destroys Gun Control Narrative Exercising Constitutional Carry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I_6TPWcFu0
[deleted]
5 ups, 2y, 2 replies
A firearm is used 3.6 times MORE in stopping crime than they are used in commiting crime.  And that's just the reported incidences.  They are many more times that when the criminal saw that their intended victim was armed they ran away.

When the left finally does take our inalienable right to self defense and right to bear arms away violent crime will skyrocket.

Criminals will get guns. They don't care about the law, that's why they're criminals.  When you take law abiding citizen's guns away you paint a great big bullseye right on everyone's back.

Taking guns away from law abiding people is never ever going to save lives.  The Democrats are lying up one side and down the other because they wanted absolute control over our lives in such a way that would cause a revolution.  They don't want that kind of opposition.
lokiare
5 ups, 2y, 1 reply
Eh no. When they come for the guns that's when about 30% of law abiding citizens will start citizen arresting law enforcement.
[deleted]
4 ups, 2y, 1 reply
It is not going to be a good time when they do that.  I think that rather than confiscating, they will be putting gun manufacturers out of business.  Already the cost of ammunition is skyrocketing.  It will eventually lead to confiscation but I think they know that if they just send cops to take guns then there will be a war.

First I'm pretty sure they will mandate a universal background check and from that they will create a national gun registry.  Then  I think they will probably do what Australia did, have a mandatory gun buy back program.  A lot of Americans will comply, perhaps the majority and that will significantly reduce the number of gun they will have to take.

All I can say is I hope it doesn't happen in my lifetime.  Unfortunately I think it will start a whole lot sooner than that.
lokiare
1 up, 2y
Yep, hopefully states start arresting anyone doing this
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Octavia_Melody
1 up, 2y, 2 replies
lokiare
3 ups, 2y
They have other violent crimes that make up the difference. Instead of guns they use vehicles.
MegadrummerJ
1 up, 2y
The criminals still kept killing, just with knives, instead.
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INDIANA POLICE SAY 'GOOD SAMARITAN' TOOK OUT MALL SHOOTER IN 15 SECONDS, LANDED 8 OF 10 SHOTS! JONATHAN SAPIRMAN KILLED THREE PEOPLE BEFORE BEING QUICKLY NEUTRALIZED BY DICKEN, AS HE WAVED FOR BYSTANDERS TO FLEE BEHIND HIM.