Democrat Tyranny

No joke, in school, I always did wonder how the HELL did they get them into those box cars, and showers?
Little did I think I'd live to see a first hand example, at least not from my country.

Ancient Israel 'knew' God first hand and look at some of the stuff they ended up doing - forsaking God for false gods/idols from time to time, demanding a king instead of God approved Judges, and so on. The Bible doesn't beat around the bush - we are born sinners and we also come with blinders. We are more apt to take what looks like the 'easy way' without first checking see if the 'easy way' is actually that instead of a 'trap' of some kind.

The US is the same way. I will say we are a great country but 'the greatest country that ever was'? I'm sorry but that kind of thing reeks of hubris and pride. Hubris and pride is what got the country in trouble. People thought the US was so above the idea of being a dictatorship nobody never bothered to accept there are/were evil people that would try exactly that. And yes we won two world wars but guess what - hubris and pride once again set in cause people thought we were unstoppable . . .then Korea and Vietnam wars happened and look at they turned out.

Worse of all the US started to turn it's back God starting with the Scopes Trial. I know people will say it's the removal of daily prayers during homeroom but it's actually the Scopes Trial. There was no push back against that ruling by anyone. It all but gave God haters and Atheists the ability to get away with the stuff they did and still do to this day which pushes the country further away from God.

When that happens is when people start to willingly get onto those trains at some point. . .

That's a lot to chew on.
I'm guess I'm not real deep, but it does disturb me that everyone here has "won the lottery" just being here in this time in the history of the world, and we are pissing all over it. Myself included. Some days I'll be in a mood? And look outside at the beauty, and kick myself in the ass, WTF were you expecting exactly ?? LOL
And then try and move on and just clean my side of the street. Sometimes it helps to just jaw bone with people like you too...

Still waiting for flying cars and instant 'transporters' and food machines that print food in seconds.

I want a time machine

XDXD. I love how the political warfare is raging and you come in randomly with something we can all agree on. that gets an upvote XD.

"Ancient Israel 'knew' God first hand and look at some of the stuff they ended up doing - forsaking God for false gods/idols from time to time"

Kinda makes you wonder how they could so easily forget about a god who supposedly made his existence known very clearly. It's almost as if he never actually did.

"The Bible doesn't beat around the bush - we are born sinners and we also come with blinders"

So that means you're a sinner, which means you're an evil, wicked person, so I shouldn't trust anything you say. Your religion is self-defeating at its core.

"Worse of all the US started to turn it's back God starting with the Scopes Trial"

America never worshipped god. Individuals do, not a whole country. Also, in the Scopes trial, the pro-science side lost. The guy who taught evolution was found guilty. So how does that help your argument?

"I know people will say it's the removal of daily prayers during homeroom"

Teacher-led prayer is unconstitutional and belongs in the trash heap of history. Sorry, but you can't use the government to push religion onto kids.

"It all but gave God haters and Atheists the ability to get away with the stuff they did and still do to this day which pushes the country further away from God"

Like what stuff? Keeping people like you from turning this country into a theocracy?

I'm sry I wasn't planning on responding to this but the argument about being a sinner caught my eye and I wanted to say something. LOOOOOL. if u want me to expound then lmk, but I understand that could be a waste of both of our time

"puppies don't have human rights. so a puppy can't be harmed but a helpless baby can?"

I didn't say puppies have human rights, I said killing a puppy is immoral because it hurts a living being, one that is conscious and can feel pain. An embryo can't feel pain and isn't conscious.

"so everyone gets their own morality?"

Yes and no. Everybody has their own views on moral issues, but if enough people in a society agree on those values, then that's what that society will hold to.

"I base my actual morals on the Bible"

So you believe slavery is moral? And killing people of other religions? And killing little kids and babies? And honor killings? You think these are moral? How did you determine the rules in the Bible were morally good?

"oh and it's kinda hypocritical to say that your morality says to not harm living beings and then also say we can kill babies"

Show me where I said we can kill babies. And I didn't say it's always wrong to harm living beings.

"what is truth?"

I explained already. Truth is what lines up with facts and reality.

"since u can add 2+2 but can't decide if we can or can't kill living beings, what does that say?"

It says that morality is a complex issue and things are rarely black-and-white

"morality comes from God"

Okay, can you prove that?

"I wasn't referring to those aspects specifically... I was talking about how we were the first truly free are nation in the world"

You're the one who said "this country was founded with a Christian worldview. and it worked out just fine until we drifted away". You said that, not me.

"evolution predicts that we would try to fend only for ourselves"

No, it doesn't

"bruh no one understands evolution because there's no evidence to support it"

There are literally thousands of people who understand evolution because they actually take the time to study it and learn about it. You don't understand it because you haven't studied it. Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean no one else does. And yes, there's mountains of evidence to support evolution. Study it sometime.

at this point I feel like you're restating the same flawed and hypocritical arguments and expecting different results, which according to Einstein is insanity. dude. ofc I've studied evolution. that's why I think it's stupid. I'll give u this. only someone willfully avoiding the truth or insane would believe your arguments, and this discussion is making me go insane. if it works then you'll end up with me on your side. but that's unlikely, cuz I've heard all this nonsense before and know the fallacies behind it. it's funny in a sad way how u switch from having truth, to evolving empathy, to hypocritical claims of morality. if u ever want to seek the truth rather than find arguments to avoid it, lmk. otherwise, it was great talking with you.

"at this point I feel like you're restating the same flawed and hypocritical arguments and expecting different results"

I'm asking questions, many of which you avoid answering

"ofc I've studied evolution. that's why I think it's stupid"

It doesn't sound like you've studied it. You didn't even know what survival of the fittest refers to. All of your arguments are the same tired creationist tropes.

"only someone willfully avoiding the truth or insane would believe your arguments"

You make claims. You don't provide good evidence for your claims. Therefore, I don't accept your claims as true. That's not "willfully avoiding the truth" by a longshot.

"I've heard all this nonsense before and know the fallacies behind it"

Can you name any specific logical fallacies I've used? I'm all ears.

"it's funny in a sad way how u switch from having truth, to evolving empathy, to hypocritical claims of morality"

1. I didn't say I had truth (at least not in the way you claim) 2. Empathy is a result of evolution 3. What is hypocritical about my claims, other than your misunderstanding of what I said?

I find it really telling that you consistently avoid answering the difficult questions about your religion and your worldview. I think you realize there's a big disconnect between what you say you believe and what you actually believe.

the mind...boggles. my mind is being blown away. and my IQ is adequate enough to have not been blown away before...

Can you answer one question for me? If you say that truth and morality come from God, how can you actually demonstrate that that's true? Just because the Bible says something doesn't make it true.

that's where faith comes in. the evidence dictates God exists. so I accept what He has written to be true

Okay. Thank you for that honest answer.

ye. that's the basis for everything I believe. "deductive reasoning," if you've ever studied geometry.

"how come u said maybe?"

Maybe regarding what?

"ofc not. I rely on faith"

You say you have absolute truth and then you say you take it on faith. That doesn't make sense. If something is true you would be able to demonstrate that it's true, you wouldn't have to take it on faith. Faith is the excuse people give when they can't provide evidence for their beliefs. Because if you had evidence you would present the evidence.

"and the evidence points towards Christianity as well so there's that"

Okay, what evidence?

"cool. can you prove that?"

Can I prove what? I don't know what you're referring to.

ofc u don't know....

You say the evidence supports Christianity. I'm wondering what evidence that is

catastrophism vs uniformitarianism

Isn't that about geology, not Christianity?

it explains how the universe came to be. and since the story of the Bible lines up, I accept the Bible as truth.

"being gay is unacceptable in the Bible"

It's more than unacceptable. It demands the death penalty. That's primitive and barbaric.

"now women are given rights"

The Bible doesn't say anything about human rights, anywhere.

"if there was a guy trying to break down the door at night would u rather have a woman or a man defend you, assuming u couldn't defend yourself"

I wouldn't give a shit, as long as they could help. Are you saying a woman can't swing a bat or shoot a gun? I know women who could hold their own against any man their size.

"the reason I don't go around killing gay ppl is bc we're under a different law than they were"

So the laws in the Bible come from the all-powerful creator of the universe, but they were just temporary, and only for a certain tribe of people?

"I must follow the US law as well as the Bible"

And when they come in conflict, which they often do?

"some of these ppl do have mental illness, so we should get them help but not celebrate them for it"

Transgender people should be accepted for who they are. They don't need "help".

"and I never made a fallacy"

Yes you did. You said "ppl that act evil and say they're Christians aren't Christians". That's a logical fallacy. Being a Christian doesn't mean someone can't or won't do horrible things.

true. and is therefore unacceptable. yeah they are cuz a system of law is proposed. and by following it they have right to the court. I simply don't believe that. if a woman and a man get in a fistfight (which would be unacceptable) if I had to pick a winner I'd say the man, and there's no way that you wouldn't. nope. the law is forever. and the reason that I don't make sacrifices is cuz there's no temple. in the same way bc the Hebrew courts are no longer around, I can't just pass justice on someone. that would be unbiblical. and no I can't accept the fact that someone can just feel pretty and we call him a woman. and no that isn't the way that works. yes I've sinned before. but ppl that are consistently doing horrible things aren't Christian. that's what being a Christian means. "So let your light shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven." if I ain't doing that then I'm not a Christian. that's the way it works. also, since you don't believe in God, then how do you know what truth is? if He doesn't exist, then there are no morals or ethics, and therefore good and evil can be anything. who are you to say that drowning a puppy isn't an act of good? maybe I'm helping the environment. what's your handbook that tells you what is right and wrong? can you answer that question? or is it just whatever you "feel?" obviously you and I think different things about what right and wrong are. who's to say which one of us is right?

"true. and is therefore unacceptable"

Do you think it's right to kill gay people? Because the god you worship certainly does.

"yeah they are cuz a system of law is proposed. and by following it they have right to the court"

The Bible doesn't mention human rights anywhere. Can you show me which verse uses the phrase "human rights"?

"if a woman and a man get in a fistfight (which would be unacceptable) if I had to pick a winner I'd say the man, and there's no way that you wouldn't"

You seem to be thinking in a very black-and-white way, because not all men are physically stronger than all women. It depends on the individual. If you were in a fist fight against Ronda Rousey, my money would be on her. It's bizarre and sexist to say that a man would always (or even almost always) win in a fist fight against a woman.

"the law is forever"

So the command to kill gay people and witches and blasphemers is still in effect then? So you're cool with radical Muslim sharia law, it sounds like.

"and the reason that I don't make sacrifices is cuz there's no temple"

I thought Christians didn't have to sacrifice animals any longer because Jesus was the final and perfect sacrifice?

"I can't accept the fact that someone can just feel pretty and we call him a woman"

That's not what being transgender is

tell me. what is being transgender? and do you condone William "Lia" Thomas saying he's a girl and competing in woman's swimming? also humor me and say that we drew a random guy and a random gal.

You didn't answer most of my questions

Do you think it's right to kill gay people? Because the god you worship certainly does.

Can you show me which verse uses the phrase "human rights"?

So the command to kill gay people and witches and blasphemers is still in effect then?

Being transgender means someone's gender identity doesn't match their physical sex

so you condone William's behavior? and would u bet on the man if it was just a random draw? and no you didn't explain the reason. u just told me wut I already knew. and yeah it's punishable by death.

so yeah...what's the reason for being trans? no I already said that. without the Biblical courts I cannot bring charges for a Biblical crime. and no there isn't a verse that uses that phrase, bc, like I said, the law guarantees rights. and no 3 is kinda answered by my first answer. oh and u only answered one of my questions

"so yeah...what's the reason for being trans?"

I explained it

"without the Biblical courts I cannot bring charges for a Biblical crime"

Do you think being those biblical crimes should be punishable by death, though?

"and no there isn't a verse that uses that phrase, bc, like I said, the law guarantees rights"

But you admit they aren't in the Bible

"oh and u only answered one of my questions"

Which ones did I miss?

The closest the Bible came to anything regarding human rights was the first Messiah (and only Gentile one), Cyrus the Great, the first person in history to establish them.
They're not in the Bible, however, nor any other code of rights.

What's your reason for dodging the questions you asked for?

"ppl that are consistently doing horrible things aren't Christian. that's what being a Christian means"

The word "Christian" does not mean "someone who doesn't consistently do horrible things". Show me a single dictionary that says that.

"since you don't believe in God, then how do you know what truth is?"

Simple. I can evaluate claims based on the evidence, and see if they line up with reality. 2 + 2 is 4 whether a god exists or not. Gold is heavier than oxygen whether a god exists or not. George Washington lived before Abraham Lincoln whether a god exists or not. So how do you determine truth WITH a god?

"if He doesn't exist, then there are no morals or ethics"

I hear this argument all the time from Christians and it's absolute crap. People can still determine what right and wrong are even if a God doesn't exist. Not only can you not demonstrate that morality comes from a God, we can demonstrate that it does come from humans, because we make moral systems and rules ourselves.

If you believe morality does come from God then you would have to explain why a lot of the rules in the Bible which come from God are seen as immoral today, like killing people who commit blasphemy, killing people who practice witchcraft, and allowing for slavery? If those are such good rules to follow for a healthy and stable society, how come it's only the backwards religious countries that do those things today?

"who are you to say that drowning a puppy isn't an act of good?"

Because I can demonstrate that it harms another living being

"what's your handbook that tells you what is right and wrong?"

It's called empathy. Most humans have it.

"obviously you and I think different things about what right and wrong are. who's to say which one of us is right?"

Maybe neither one of us is. But we can look at your values and my values and see which one produces a more stable and free society (assuming that's your goal).

your arguments are ridiculous. yeah drowning a puppy harms a living being. so does abortion. again, who are you to say harming a living being is wrong. I'm not talking about chemical truth. I'm talking about the fact that with a Christian worldview, I can know what is right and wrong bc the Holy Spirit guides me. without that, there's literally no such thing as morality. this country was founded with a Christian worldview. and it worked out just fine until we drifted away. empathy? where does empathy come from? I mean if we're really just descendants of algae, then it would seem that we wouldn't have empathy. survival of the fittest right? also that last comment tumbles your argument. "Maybe neither one of us is," tells me that you indeed have no absolute truth, therefore you're in no position to tell me that I'm wrong. I, on the other hand, do have absolute, everlasting, and perfect truth through God. so don't say empathy, cuz you can't tell me where it comes from, and obviously Adolf Hitler had different thoughts about this. ok name a backwards religious country that follows every word of the Bible.

"yeah drowning a puppy harms a living being. so does abortion"

Abortion terminates a pregnancy. An embryo doesn't have human rights. And no one has the right to use someone else's body without their permission.

"who are you to say harming a living being is wrong"

That's part of the foundation of my morality, and for many other people's as well. What do you base your morality on, then?

"I'm not talking about chemical truth. I'm talking about the fact that with a Christian worldview, I can know what is right and wrong bc the Holy Spirit guides me"

There's only truth, there's no such thing as "chemical truth". You say the Holy Spirit guides you. How do you know? How can you prove that's true?

"without that, there's literally no such thing as morality"

Yes, there literally is. Morality doesn't stop existing if a god isn't real.

"this country was founded with a Christian worldview. and it worked out just fine until we drifted away"

Worked out "just fine"? So slaughtering native Americans and keeping Africans as pieces of property is fine with you?

"empathy? where does empathy come from?"

It most likely evolved to help us survive. We are more likely to survive as a group if we treat each other well and get along.

"I mean if we're really just descendants of algae, then it would seem that we wouldn't have empathy"

That's a strawman, and a complete misunderstanding of evolution.

"survival of the fittest right?"

You clearly don't know what that term even means

" "Maybe neither one of us is," tells me that you indeed have no absolute truth, therefore you're in no position to tell me that I'm wrong"

I don't have to have absolute truth to say that something is right or wrong. That's like saying "you can't say that George Washington was the first president because you don't have absolute knowledge of all world history."

"I, on the other hand, do have absolute, everlasting, and perfect truth through God"

Cool. Can you prove that?

"so don't say empathy, cuz you can't tell me where it comes from"

I don't have to know where empathy comes from to know that most humans have it. I'm assuming you wear clothes, even though you don't know who assembled those clothes in the factory.

lol puppies don't have human rights. so a puppy can't be harmed but a helpless baby can? so everyone gets their own morality? doesn't sound like morality to me. I base my actual morals on the Bible. oh and it's kinda hypocritical to say that your morality says to not harm living beings and then also say we can kill babies. so then...what is truth? truth for morals? truth for algebra? yes truth exists as a whole. but since u can add 2+2 but can't decide if we can or can't kill living beings, what does that say? wrongo. morality comes from God. uh yk I wasn't referring to those aspects specifically... I was talking about how we were the first truly free are nation in the world. but no....that's absolutely ridiculous. evolution predicts that we would try to fend only for ourselves. bruh no one understands evolution because there's no evidence to support it. yk it's not that hard to understand. but...it isn't tho is it? how come u said maybe? ofc not. I rely on faith. and the evidence points towards Christianity as well so there's that. and in answer to your last topic: cool. can you prove that?

I'm listening

for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. but just bc my flesh is inherently inclined toward evil doesn't mean that I commit evil every day. sure, I mess up like everyone does, but I try to walk out God's instructions in the Bible. and when I stumble, that's when Christ catches me. I'd highly suggest you flip through a Bible sometime and check it out.

The Bible says everyone's nature is inherently wicked, yes or no?

"I'd highly suggest you flip through a Bible sometime and check it out"

I have. I haven't read it cover to cover yet, but I'm familiar with most of what it says

awesome. then you should know that following the Bible is what keeps Christians from being wicked like the world. yes I sin! but bc I'm actively trying not to by following Him, I avoid making many of the mistakes that the world does.

"then you should know that following the Bible is what keeps Christians from being wicked like the world"

Christians do the same bad things as everyone else. And in some cases, it's following the Bible that makes them do bad things like oppress women or attack gay people

there's where ur missing the point. that's not in the Bible. and ppl that act evil and say they're Christians aren't Christians!

yo Modda. I could be wrong, but I've never done any of that to anyone. and ye breaking the Sabbath was a serious thing then because many things could be considered work. which is why the Israelites were instructed to make a double portion of food on Friday and gather their firewood then as well so that they wouldn't have to work on the Sabbath.

"that's not in the Bible"

Yes it is. The Bible treats women as inferior to men, and it says to kill men who have sex with other men. It's in Leviticus.

"and ppl that act evil and say they're Christians aren't Christians!"

That's a No True Scotsman fallacy

Because stoning someone to death for picking up sticks for the fireplace on Saturday is totally ok?

The same punishment dealt to 'witches' has been the excuse that was instrumental in making Christians collectively the biggest murderers in all of history compared to any other religion, ideology, nation, goverment, race, ethnicity, culture, you name it. Calling someone a heathen doesn't justify raping and torturing and killing them.

yep u got it. being gay is unacceptable in the Bible. now women are given rights, but they have different responsibilities than men. if there was a guy trying to break down the door at night would u rather have a woman or a man defend you, assuming u couldn't defend yourself. when I say that's not in the Bible, I'm not talking about the gay issue or women's rights issue, I'm talking about when u said they do the same bad things as everyone else. and the reason I don't go around killing gay ppl is bc we're under a different law than they were. And since paying respect to authority is a Biblical principle, I have to understand that I must follow the US law as well as the Bible. should I condone it? absolutely not. Lia Thomas doesn't even have mental illness that I know of. he just wanted to beat the girls. and some of these ppl do have mental illness, so we should get them help but not celebrate them for it. and I never made a fallacy. Christ said "Of you love me keep my commandments. so if I break His commandments, then I am not loving him, and am therefore not a Christian. make sense now? and eesh that's a long post

Wicked like the world? Are you serious?
And if that's all that's keeping you from not being "wicked," then you're kinda missing the point.

yes I'm a very serious person. and what is the point pray tell?

If the spectre of an old man in the sky burning you for an eternity for your transgressions is the ONLY thing preventing you from committing them, then you have no understanding of why they are wrong in the first place and most likely haven't earned a high spot on the list of only 144,000 Sainted Chosen plus a few Gentiles who will enter the Pearly Gates.

sainted who now? is this a Jehovah's Witness thing? and no idt I am missing anything. loving Christ instills a desire to follow him. you're being a bit trite about this, which is alright cuz ik u don't understand, but ik where I'm going. something that every one of us should know.

Absolutely.
It also says a lot more on the subject.

in God we trust(ed)

Meaning what?

meaning that it used to be a mantra of this country. but we have turned away from Him over the years.

What do you think the result of that is?

um...burning cities?

So "turning away from god" results in burning cities? Okay, let's see your evidence of an actual link between the two, not just a post hoc ergo propter hoc argument.

I would also point you to Bible verses where the Israelites are commanded by god himself to burn certain cities to the ground

ru saying that the cities deserved to be burned? I'd hope not. when God speaks however I listen. and He had very good

reason for what he did. sry accidentally hit post button

if God said do it, then the answer is always yes.

I'm not saying any cities deserved to be burned down.

In the Bible it says that if people are found to worship another god you have to kill everyone in the city and burn it to the ground. Are you saying that was the right thing to do?

Joshua chapter 8 versus 7&8

The link is the people that burned the cities were all atheist's and Satanists.

Cool, let's see some sources for that claim

Bull.

So, you’ve never heard of Soddom and Gemorah?

That was destroyed by god himself, not by other people

Nope, the ones that witnessed God were very religious. Then generations came that didn't witness God and those acted like idiots.

"Little did I think I'd live to see a first hand example"

You didn't, though. Comparing the government implemented Covid measures to the mass extermination of Jews during the Holocaust is completely inaccurate and disgusting

Its not quite there yet. Its just the ghetto stage.

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Because trying to save all lives is so much like trying to exterminate certain ones.