If this meme is supposed to argue against having ID to vote I think it does the contrary. If you need an ID to watch an R rated movie or to buy a drink why not for the most important duty of choosing who leads our country?

I'm fine with voter id as long as it is provided for free to everyone eligible. If it's not free, it's a pole tax and that is unconstitutional unlike all the other examples provided.

I've never paid a cent for a voter ID where are you seeing that people are being charged?

You have, in fact, paid for that ID. Not with tax money collected by the state. But out of your own pocket.

1) you had to travel to the DMV. How did you do that? Walk? probably not. You either drove a car (your own car that you paid for), you were driven (paid for by the car owner aka generational wealth) or you took a bus. Again, paying for that trip. We'll also throw in the gas, but that's not much compared to the cost of the car.

2) You paid for that license. In Texas it's $33. Who paid for that? You? Your parents? (that generational wealth again).

3) Time. You paid in time. The time to drive there. The hour to sit there and wait. And the time to get home.

The poorest don't have the time to take off from work, unless they use a vacation day. Do you think that people should be using vacation days to get a voter ID? It's meant for time off from work to relax. Not spend your day traveling to and from the DMV. And when they live pay check to pay check, the costs mount up.

So, yes, Kate, you paid. You paid several times to get that ID.

I didn't have to pay for my voter ID.

All I did was show my driver's license when I went to vote. That's usually all I've ever needed.

Not everyone has one.

Why a driver's license? Why not straight up voter ID?

I have no idea why the fake 'two sides' of this fake argument both overlook the simple solution to the fake voter ID issue, and that is, voter ID. Not a driver's license, not school ID, not a gov't job ID, not Costco membership or AARP card or whatever the heck else, but real actual voter ID that every single voter on the rest of the planet gets, even - I kid you not - women in Afghanistan.

Although the way things are going there, they'll soon be joining the USA as one of the two only places that don't because that's how backwards and stupid we are. Afghanistan. and America. Because we don't know how, after we invented voting near two and a half centuries ago. haha, maybe we can have China make those for us too.

Mitch & CO are ya listenin? Another thing to pay China to do for us!

That's laminated photo voter ID.

I don't know how they do things in other states, but they send voter IDs to registered voters here in NY, only it's flimsy regular thick paper without a pic.

Yes, folks, this was a template here.
Because you never know why might show up when you type in a search.

Simple, because watching an R-rated movie is a privilege. One that homeless cannot enjoy.
Do homeless not have the right to vote? Do homeless always have money to afford ID? Do they keep their birth certificate, social security card, and have postage of some sort to show that they have an address? (You need these things for an ID) All of these things cost money. You can get an address at the YMCA, sure. But we need to acknowledge an aspect of homelessness. I imagine if some homeless could rationalize what to do to get back on their feet in the first place, they wouldn't be homeless. There are those who are exceptions to the rule, sure. But there are those who just don't know what options are available. Partially because of the shame that comes with homelessness. No one really wants to talk about it, the system isn't advertised because of how backlogged it is in work... These are the people who fall through the cracks, and can't vote on policies that could help them.

Because it's weaponised to lower turnout and is simply unnecessary.

The Constitution literally says the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, but your side still pushes to ban guns. Plus the IDs are free, not to mention that almost everybody has a driver’s license due to the sheer necessity of having to drive to get anything done outside of the few US cities that have decent public transportation. Literally any US citizen either already has an ID or can get one at no cost to them.

I’m aware, I was one of those people who worked a full time job and didn’t have a car. I still managed to get a driver’s license and vote. It wasn’t fun, but I still made the time to go and do it because it was important to me. Now I’m all for extending the hours of the DMV or putting most of the services online, but if you can’t afford to miss any work and you work so many hours that you can’t make it to the DMV period, maybe it’s time to reevaluate what you’re doing and consider other options. The economy may be tanking but there are still loads of job openings, I’ve seen some as high as $37 an hour. People just need to apply themselves.

If someone hasn't ever owned a car or never had access to one, chances are they don't have a driver's license. Get raised in a household like that without the folks' signature for you as a minor, there goes signing up for even driver's ed. No Learners Permit, let alone a vehicle to practice on.

Some family friends we've had, one was a social worker. She didn't know what a hassle it was getting ID for one of her daughters who waited past 18. She had spent decades telling people/clients that it really isn't that hard. She thought they were being lazy, making excuses, not trying hard enough.

Now the DMV in NYC is ballbreaker town, staffed with a bunch of GEDers riding a God Complex (like most city agency workers here), but bottom line is, even the easiest of states still have their minimum requirements. If folks are poor, it ain't gonna be easy, and that's not even accounting for some families being ball busting lunatics who will stymie you at every turn because, well, not everyone got Mr & Mrs Brady for parents. ......................Or so I've heard.

Plus, again, as I stated before, what does the DMV have to do with being issued voter ID? Is driving yourself in your own automaobile to the polling station a requirement in places not festooned with mass transit like here? I don't get it.

Because automatically issuing real actual photo voter ID to voters when they turn 18 is too simple and obvious and logical despite everyone else on Earth who votes doing it? (Why does everyone keep calling driver's licenses, voter ID? They're not)

The Second Amendment gave free men the right to be conscripted, and at their own expense - that is for free, with arms supplied by themselves as well as being proficient in them for what would now be their state's National Guard.

I HAD a driver's license which the DMV wouldn't renew because it was expired over two years (missed the deadline by a mere two weeks!) and I lacked sufficient current ID. Almost wasn't able to get my first one either.
I sent Social Security my birth certificate so I can get my SS card replaced, and they lost that too. At least I was able to get another birth certificate, but it's that school certificate one that everyone thinks means I came from Kenya.
The only reason I was able to get a bank account and later through that, credit cards was on account of them eager to sign up people from my college.
So other than my 'Kenyan' styled birth certificate and ATM & credit cards, I ain't got diddly.

The solution, of course, is to issue real actual voter ID like every single voter on the rest of the planet gets, down to women in Afghanisan.

Oh, and to make everyone who turns 18 get drafted into their Antional Guard for a couple of years in order to fulfill their 2A obligations and strengthen them up, with free room & board, natch. Don't wanna be too harsh on the whiny bastards.

The form said they need 2 types of ID, including photo.
I called my local office and told them all I had, they assured me the birth cert would suffice.
Couple weeks later, they sent a letter that it wasn't enough. I called and they told me simply coming in plus the bc would be ok. So when I said about making an appt, they told me they didn't have it, that they don't keep documents sent in, they send them back, so I should have gotten mine back already. yay.

“The Second Amendment gave free men the right to be conscripted, and at their own expense - that is for free, with arms supplied by themselves as well as being proficient in them for what would now be their state's National Guard.”

Your interpretation doesn’t refute my point. People can’t supply their own arms if there’s a ban or heavy restrictions on acquiring those arms. That’s a violation of the 2nd Amendment, both by your interpretation and the commonly accepted interpretation on the right.

I’d be happy with mailing people a voter ID once they turn 18. Simply set up a .gov website where one can request a voter ID and then they issue it to you. It sucks what happened to you, that’s a pain in the ass to go through. Still though, part of the responsibility is with you to keep your license up to date. I hold a CDL and if I ever let it expire even by just one day, I have to go through CDL training all over again which takes weeks to nearly a month and a half depending on who you go through. I don’t know all the circumstances in your situation, but I am the only one responsible for keeping my license current because that’s how I put food on the table.

The Second Amendment has two parts for a reason, a prefatory clause (the why) and an operative clause (the how)
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State" is the reason why for it, "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed." is how its carried out.

That's not how how I interpreted, that's how it's written. Simply ignoring the first part of the amendment, as has been the trend of the guns-for-fun contingent, doesn't mean it isn't there anymore. My adapter charges up my tablet, but plugging it into the socket because I love electrical gadgets but not the tablet as well is kinda missing the purpose.

Conscription first, ownership second had been the legal interpretation till relatively recently, and press and pressure from gun manufacturers and their lobbyists as well as the NRA which has become nothing but a big bloated lobbyist for gun companies has swayed public and Congress and the courts over to this God given right that's in a chapter of the Bible they keep skipping over in Sunday school.

It wasn't so much a given right, but a given that somewhere between settlers shooting at the indigenous population and deer and wolves and bears (oh my - sorry, couldn't resist) and it being shortly after the American Revolution, men tended to own guns in America. The nascent goverment couldn't even afford tp make money then (legend having it that the first US coins were minted from silverware melted from the Washington household, and the Mexicon peso was legal tender till 1857 because for decades after we still couldn't mint enough coinage), let alone pay for a standing army. So conscripting at a moment's notice men already armed and well versed in usage was a necessity. The spectre of Britain invading was (as proven in 1812) very real, as well as whomever else over that-a-ways that wanted to take over a bunch of barely organized dirt farmers.

It wasn't till 2008 that the jokers at the Supreme Court caved in to business concerns and decided the Second Amendment was more about hobbyists rather than military volunteer service when needed anyways, and given the precendent they've gone hogwild lately into nixing precedent, that interpretation don't mean squat.

Here's more, I'm tired and headed to bed in a few,,,

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt2_1/

As for me, you'd be surprised what people can take and hide from you when you ain't looking or moved but left it home for safekeeping.

PS: "Simply set up a .gov website where one can request a voter ID and then they issue it to you."

Not necessary.
They already do when you register to vote. Yes, voters already HAVE voter ID. No driver's license, but VOTER ID voter ID. Apparently I'm the only one in America that is aware of this, as the 'both sides' seem oblivious to this simple fact. It's a bit flimsy, but it IS voter ID.

All other countries automatically issue them to their citizens when they turn 18, no application required. Not sure about the finer details like photos, but they actually make use of the pile of info they have of their people, unlike us who spend $25 million on a study to show how despite having such info, the gov't doesn't know what to do with it other than file it away for future studies and the occasional chart.
It's like the US Census, and how they tell us afterwards how many people were NOT counted and how the percentage of this ethnicity or that demographic didn't turn theirs in. They tell us down to the last illegal alien! It's.... almost.... like.... they..... already.... know,,,,

scuse muh typos

In most states, they can use their welfare card as ID. They all seem to have been able to get that.

Great to see you had that info at least!

Big fan of r/Antifastonetoss.

Why do almost all leftists memes have a huge wall of text?

It is a meme not an article. I do love reading but its small text and the it just comes off as preachy.

It is more or less a lot to read for a "meme'. It then just becomes boring.

So you returned after 11mos just to say that?

hahaha, my fave was when you posted a mere "ye" and got 3 upvotes for it. Orwas it 5?

I just got bored of imgflip

Perhaps because leftists tend to be literate?