Hypocrites

It’s the same choice the face as well when they choose abortion. No one was risking jail for not taking a single COVID vaccine.

The two are not equivocal.

That is true. But most women lose their jobs for being pregnant, not for having abortions.

You can actually fire a woman who demands more off time trying to recover from pregnancy which can be anywhere from 2 weeks to 3 months, on a case by case basis. Some jobs do fire women for taking even less time off.

Some just can’t afford it.

There may be accommodations for antivaxxers.

Most won’t live to see it.

“What is it with you and Anti-Vaxxers?”

I’m not forcing them to do anything. If someone works at a job where there is a high risk of being infected during a pandemic; or worse spreading such an infected and they refuse the vaccine; it’s pretty simple that they do not really want the job.

A jab is obviously less risky than having a baby. Anyone who is telling you different, including your wife, is selling you something. Probably HCQ or Ivermectin.

And if they’re not selling it well there is a sucker born every minute.

As for maternity leave, sure, a company may offer that but they do tend to have rules and regulations that often fail to accommodate the individual or make demands on new mothers expecting or otherwise that they cannot otherwise fulfill. So they’re usually terminated for other reasons besides their pregnancy but between the lines, it is still a discriminatory issue that has been covered up with fancy laws and policies.

Rightwing. Didn’t take but one flu shot prior to the pandemic. Once in 2009 and my last one in 2020.

And not everyone has the money to fight a corporation.

That’s how Donald Trump pays for everything. He’d rather pay lawyers than contractors. That’s why he has to get campaign money now. He screwed over too many people in real estate and then in show biz.

Well, yes, but actually no. There were a ton of libs wanting a federal vaccination mandate. Now, no one’s telling women they have to have children, they’re telling women they either have sex with the chance of having a kid or they stick to using a d**do.

Still wrong. If high employee jobs fired women for having an abortion, maybe that would be more equivocal.

This is just the government overextending it’s reach. Again.

No? Saying that abortion should be on a state level rather than nationwide is overextending their reach? If you like killing your children move to California, if you don’t like killing your children move to Florida. That’s all it’s saying.

Isn't Florida a hot spot for low budget Karens to 'lose' their babies by accident out the window and into the swimming pool then to the woods and maybe to a gator while ma entertains her latest bf who won't marry her if she has kids?

Not just Florida...

Even states should have their limits on dictating what a person can or cannot do.

Forcing people to move based on their political philosophies never ends well.

See the Civil War.

And usually the side choosing Freedom has the stronger fighters.

I think it’s entirely illogical not to move to whatever state is ideal in your mind. Personally I’m a South Carolina kinda guy ‘cause it’s cheap, not many tourist traps, and not too crazy large amounts of people with COI of 75%< , 1990s Ford F150s with “Assault Life” window stickers, and confederate flags, but also not too many blue haired men on estrogen. If you support cheap medical care at the cost of $650k houses you can move to California or New York and if you like the idea of not too badly priced medical care and $150k houses move to Texas or South Carolina.

Not everyone can afford to move to fix their troubles.

Again, see the Civil War. Poverty stricken classes continue to be an overlooked element in major political decisions. There were people who fought for the North and Sourh just to defend their land rather than because they believed in abolition or slavery. You think everyone who grew up in the New York Burroughs in 1861 gave a shit about black people not being free? Or that families who didn’t ever see a black man let alone own one gave a shit when Confederates drew a line in the sand with them behind it? They stood for their land. And their are many today who would sooner get an abortion out of state than move to one. But even that comes with unnecessary expenses and now potentially legal issues if they remain citizens of states where it is flat out illegal.

It is an overreach and it will cost far more lives than any vaccine or a simple medical procedure that less and less hundreds of thousands of people were having each decade.

The irony being we were winning when we campaigned for women’s health; when we showed them those horrible images of limbs being removed and being scraped.

Now be prepared for the images you will see every day until these laws are repealed and the choice remains with the people who actually have to bear the responsibility.

Watch our prisons fill with mothers of stillborn children, our hospitals fill with victims of botched in-home abortions. Watch parents be torn apart from their children just because they didn’t want to have more of them. Watch our birth rate go into decline.

For many of you, it will take seeing your daughter bleeding out from between her legs, laying dead on the floor before you see what we have now or before was the optimal solution. Imperfect but optimal.

I know for a fact my great grandmother had multiple miscarriages and she never got arrested.
If someone botches their in home abortions and get fatally injured from it I say they win a Darwin Award. Though, sadly I must say I concede this argument.

Your grandmother? No.

Your granddaughter? Yes.

Your daughter? Maybe, if you live in a state that currently has introduced these overreaching laws against a woman who fails to carry a baby to term in any way.

It is never a good sign that your laws are justified if you stand by suicide.

Yes, only doctors should be allowed to botch an abortion!

“The Darwin Awards are a tongue-in-cheek honor originating in Usenet newsgroup discussions around 1985. They recognize individuals who have supposedly contributed to human evolution by selecting themselves out of the gene pool by dying or becoming sterilized via their own actions.”

I don’t think many people in real life despise the idea of having children so much that they would break the law and rsiak their lives to have their child dead.

Welcome to the real world.

Christ called us sinners for a reason.

And whenever our freedoms are compromised, we become monsters.

Who says that you have to move? Colorado is setting itself up to be an abortion tourist destination. Come for the abortion, stay for the weed.

Ain't Florida the "I dunno, last I saw of my baby she was climbing out the window for a dip in the pool while I was trying to convince my latest beau I have none?" State?

Texas license plate motto:
Dangerous?
At least we ain't Florida

Not just Florida and Texas...

When big bad NY NY is so lame we have to rely on the subway instead of backyard pools and actual accidents instead of 'accidental 20 yard leaps' to compete with the Shoot-Em-Up States.

Getting a jab or strapping on a mask =/= being forced to carry a child for 40 weeks, give birth, and then raise it for the next 18 years.

If you’re a principled libertarian who opposes the state’s ability to force you to do basically anything, so be it — but if you opposed mask mandates during COVID and have nothing to say about state-mandated parenthood now, shove off.

Obviously your brain hasn’t developed since your were at most two years old. You first have to have heterosexual intercourse in order to get pregnant. Literally no one is forcing women to have children, they’re forcing women to have some self control.
You’re quite misogynistic. Your argument is no different than your average 4Chan user saying “All women are sex craved and only want Chad’s cock”. You imply women don’t have enough self control to not have sex, and not just not have sex they could masturbate, they could do oral sex, they could do anal sex, they could have lesbian sex, they could have sex with a sterile man or they themselves could get sterilized.

The only thing they can’t do is have a man ejaculate into their va**na.

"Yes. They are. If a woman can't legally have an abortion, they are forcing her to have a child."

In most cases no one is forced to get knocked up.

After all you are ending the life of a person just because "you don't want to have a baby"

There will still be plenty of states in the U.S. where women can go to kill their babies.

Finally... someone who understands about sex and responsiblity.

“Someone doesn't always choose to get pregnant, and if they don't want to stay pregnant they don't have to”

See this is your problem, you’re way to obsessed with the 0.1%. “Well, what if her birth control fails her?” or “What if she gets raped?”. 150/100 cases the women had no self control and got pregnant. In the end that’s no one’s fault but her own, definitely not the unborn human’s fault.
Like I said before: you are still responsible for your own company going under even if statistically it should have succeeded. So you should have sex with contraception with the thought that if the small chance does happen and you get pregnant you have to have a child. If we taught kids they couldn’t just go to Planned Parenthood whenever they get pregnant logically speaking teenagers would stop banging every other person above the age of 16 they see thus leading to less STDs being transmitted. In the end humans are self serving animals and therefore we need something to detour us, such as pregnancy and child support.

The core libertarian insight — and it’s a strong one — is that nobody knows best how to run your life other than yourself. The government imposes one-size-fits-all solutions that can’t possibly be right for all of humanity.

Nowhere is that more clear than in the decision to become a parent, which is the most intimate and important decision you can ever make. It’s important to protect the rights of women to choose when they become parents.

You talk about a personal choice to have sex as if it’s all there is to this equation. There are so many life events that factor into it, including, sadly, the fact that having sex isn’t always within a woman’s control.

Consider these situations:

—She is raped by a stranger.
—She is raped by a friend.
—She is raped by a relative.
—She used birth control, but it failed.
—She’s 13 years old and doesn’t have a way to provide for her child.
—She’s 20 years old and isn’t ready for a child yet, but plans to start a family at the age of 26-28.
—She’s 25 years old and planned to start a family, but her husband left her shortly after her pregnancy began.
—She’s 30 years old and planned to start a family, but was in a horrible car accident early in her pregnancy which means she can no longer earn an income.
—She’s 40 years old and has already has 3 kids, has no intention of having a fourth, and doesn’t have the finances to support one.
—She finds out during the course of her pregnancy that her fetus has a rare genetic disorder and isn’t going to live past the age of 5.
—She finds out during the course of her pregnancy that *she* has a rare genetic disorder (or cancer), and isn’t going to live to see her own daughter past the age of five.

Those are just a few situations that come to mind. Radical “pro-life” legislation would mandate that each of these women give birth. Pro-choicers recognize that life is more complex and doesn’t always go according to plan, and that no one is ever in a better position to make these difficult choices than those individual women.

If she is raped then there should obviously be some level of court decision. If she used birth control and it failed that’s her fault, she should have known there was a risk and she decided to go through with that risk. If you create a company and statistically that company should have succeeded, but it did not. It was still your decision to start the company in the first place. If she’s 13 years old she was underaged and therefore just looking at her legal age there should be concrete evidence she deserves an exception. She’s 20 years old at that age she should have been more than responsible enough not to get pregnant. If she’s 25 years old she should have the necessary certification to get some sort of job, plus she’ll get child support. She’s 30 years old and had a horrible car accident that immobilized her, but did not cause a miscarriage? She’s 40 years old and has 3 kids, how did she get pregnant in the first place? Uhh, my father had a rare genetic disorder and wasn’t gonna live past the age of 5, but he lived into his early 40s.

Well, the new GOP bills don’t have the traditional rape or incest exceptions, and some don’t even have life-of-the-mother exceptions. I get your desire for accountability, but that’s just cruel.

Roe v. Wade is actually not a bad decision. The trimester scheme is above and it follows common sense. It lets states ban late-term abortions, which most people don’t like anyway. But the earlier in pregnancy you try to ban abortion, the more arbitrary and nonsensical it becomes.

I totally agree with you, your statement just reminded me of this scene.

Agreed, Slouchy.

False... what it will do is give back that right to each state to decide...

Simple solution: C-section