Democrats, once again, find themselves in a logic trap that they put themselves in.

Free speech is a threat to the narrative...and people thinking the narrative is correct makes voters 'informed'...and 'informed voters' voting for the narrative is democracy..
Therefore anything against the narrative is misinformation that creates uninformed voters which is a threat to democracy.

Thats basically the warped logic of a liberal.
I used to be one; this is generally how they think.

I think what started pushing me over the edge was when my region increased welfare for single parent mothers/ poor families that have children...then a whole bunch of said families went and had extra children to get additional money, so we ended up with more children in poverty and bad home lives than before.

That was when I finally understood the phrase 'welfare creates poverty'

Although I think the final nail in the coffin was in regards to voter i.d laws. When the liberal excuse as to why somebody can't get 1 piece of i.d in 4 years amounts to
'black people can't afford it'
'asians can't read the forms'
'hispanics don't have time to stand in line at the post office'

I figured it was time to see what the conservatives position was... That's when I started noticing the conservatives had better arguments for pretty much everything

What Orwell is true, the liberal term used in the United States is a newspeak, it is not the true meaning of the word liberal, of those who created that ideology.

Was he a lib?

One of the most succinct summations of a complex situation I think I’ve ever seen. Kudos.

Agreed, I was once a long time liberal also. I was just in the dark back then.

The meme poses the question: “How can free speech be a threat to democracy?”

Well, here is a short list of more or less democratically-threatening problems that every social media platform of a certain size inevitably encounters, and certainly a platform of Twitter’s size. Heck, Imgflip encounters many of these problems on a regular basis, and Imgflip has easily less than 0.1% the userbase of Twitter.

I’m not saying every single thing on this list needs to be censored on every single occasion — context matters — but a lot of it does, and every platform needs actionable terms of service or they will quickly find themselves inundated in a tidal flood of dark web bullshit.

Even “free speech” platforms have to whack this stuff, or else ISPs will do it for them by pulling the plug on internet service.

yea can't have people committing thought crimes...

There’s no such thing as a thought crime. Lol. No one is going to bust down your door for sitting at home and thinking Nazi thoughts. But, if you’re trying to openly praise Adolf Hitler on the social media platform of your choice, they might not let you.

And they have the right not to let you do that. Why? The answer might surprise you.

Free speech!

It’s the platform’s free speech right to determine that it’s not going to let itself become a place for Adolf Hitler worship.

The only things are should not be allowed on your little list is Child pornography, Bots, scams, and threats of violence. Everything else on that list is up to interpretation , and since leftists think everything they disagree with is hate speech, that right there is problematic. Leftists hate people that disagree with them because it forces them to defend their positions, which are usually based in fantasy land, making them indefensible. Saying that twitter is going to turn into a platform of "hitler worship" due to free speech is asinine.

Some of the items on the list are outright illegal, which means Elon Musk would still censor it.

Other items are up to interpretation. Elon Musk says he won’t censor anything that isn’t illegal, but I don’t believe him.

Example: Bots aren’t illegal. It isn’t illegal to script a program that spams hashtags or simply puffs up someone’s follower count. Elon Musk has already said he wants to crush the bots, though, so he’s already violated his own rule.

When it comes to Nazis, it’s not *illegal* to say “Heil Hitler,” or “1488,” or “6MWE” or use racial slurs or misspelled racial slurs or all these other code-phrases that Neo-Nazis signal to each other. However, I can’t imagine that Musk is actually going to let the Neo-Nazis run wild on Twitter, for the simple reason that such activity will erode the value of his $44 billion investment. Nevermind the fact that at least some of these guys are serious and would actually use Twitter to plan, commit, and publicize hate crimes if they could get away with it — which has actually happened on platforms like 8Chan.

So, we’ll see. Musk might break Donald Trump and some others out of Twitter jail, making a different judgment call on their violations, but in a larger sense Twitter might not change that much since content moderation simply has to happen, or the trolls and bots take over.

"Nevermind the fact that at least some of these guys are serious and would actually use Twitter to plan, commit, and publicize hate crimes if they could get away with it — which has actually happened on platforms like 8Chan."

Yeah, it happens on Twitter all the time too. On most social media.

Again, it sounds like your personal hang ups are the issue .. not Elon Musk allowing equity on the twitter feeds.

The idea that routine conservative content is censored is a fallacy. It’s just the opposite, actually — conservative content gets a boost. There are tons of conservatives on Twitter. I looked up one yesterday who has 4+ million followers.

When Musk gets under the hood of Twitter and sees what he finds, I think he’s going to be surprised

guess you have not been on facebook lately huh? Conservative content is censored routinely and aggressively.

No you are thinking of far right and alt-right people like Trump and Alex Jones. Real conservatives like Romney don't get censored.

Yeah, some think that there is no middle man between the content prodicer, and the internet. They have no idea about POP. They have an INTERNET BILL, and it isnt just TAXES.

That's funny. I didn't see conservative ideology on your list. Because THAT IS WHAT IS GETTING CENSORED.

Many things that you called free speech on your list are NOT free speech. Not even close. Child porn is a violation of several laws that have nothing to do with speech. It is all about child endangerment, something the left is adamant about promoting.

I see your general allegations of conservative censorship and raise you one Ben Shapiro.

4.2M followers!

“Facts don’t care about your feelings.” Classic line! Pinned tweet!

Saying it over and over again doesn’t make it true. Conservative ideology isn’t censored; in fact, just the opposite. They studied it. Conservative content gets a boost.

I’m sorry Trump was booted from Twitter, but the timeline of that action suggests a strong correlation to that Jan. 6 thingy.

And if Biden lost the election, refused to accept it, and whipped up a mob and sent them marching in the general direction of the Capitol? He’d have been banned from those platforms too. And I would support it.

And so would you!

Have you lost your mind. Twitter never limited the number of followers you can have, they just limited your speech. I'm sure Shapiro has had lots of tweets removed or "fact" checked and he's probably been threatened. I like Shapiro but I don't keep up with him. Like I said I am not on Twitter, I don't like that format. I looked at Parler (before Amazon dumped them because one guy tweeted something about the Jan 6th protest/riot) to see what it was about. It was formatted similar to Twitter so I dumped it. Parler is NOT a conservative social media site. It never was. That made it seem conservative is because conservatives left the big 3 social media (YouTube, Twitter and Facebook) sites in droves. They were sick and tired of being treated like children who must be given timeouts for bad behavior. So places like Parler, MeWe, Gab, Rumble and so on filled up with conservatives. Then the left accused those sites of being geared towards conservatives. That's crap. MeWe's founder and president is a Democrat. He just isn't part of the private/public partnership with the government. So they don't censor conservative speech. They will censor violence speech but that is about all they censor. I have a MeWe account and that is why I know about them.

I have no idea what kind of actions have been taken against Shapiro but I will guarantee that if you ask him, he will tell you about his problems with Twitter.

I don't know if you are on Twitter or not but you being a leftist you could say whatever you want on Twitter and no one will bat an eye.

Yeah they banned Trump alright. Twitter was doing their part to make Trump look bad. They wanted to help perpetuate the myth that Trump instigated an insurrection.

What I find funny is how the left was yelling, "insurrection" for months until the right schooled them on the definition of the word insurrection. I haven't heard anyone on the left saying anything about an insurrection ever since. Oh, I am sure there are a few die hards who don't care about the definitions of words and are so driven Trump hatred that they just can't let it go.

A groomer is someone that is mentally preparing children for sexual intercourse. Pretty sure most 'groomer' accusations are accurate.

When they show them graphic sexual acts, They are preparing them.

Except that its true. You endanger a child every time you try to tell them homosexual sex before becoming an adult is ok. It would be different if you taught them all about the dangers first, then taught them about that stuff, but that would get in the way of the depopulation agenda.

Those groups are known as "useful idiots" by the globalists. They implement the agenda without realizing it.

Actually I wouldn't teach children about sex in general, that's why I'm against teaching toddlers about the LGBT agenda. They can't handle it. I was actually up close to a sexual manipulation that happened once when I was really little because someone thought it necessary to teach a six-year-old that was in my life about sex. It's not a "homophobic drive" that makes conservatives disgusted by people teaching young people who have no business handling information about sexual conduct about it. It's that kids can't handle it and are too immature to.

And I'm sorry, but communists are all about the depopulation agenda. This is likely why in just 10 years they went from being revolted by gays to pushing every single LGBT thing out there. Several communist dictators have mentioned aspiring to have controlled populations. Some (like Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Chavez, Che Guevara, and the Kims, have actually succeeded.

What would you define as age-appropriate?

I would reconsider the age now because of the internet, where kids can learn anything, and just go wild with it. I actually know of some people who learned about sex from the internet and idk if their parents know they even know of it or how far they've gotten into it.

In reality, I believe it's being pushed because a devil wants everyone to oppose God, but many communist dictators have sought out depopulating their own countries so they can control the population. They also pushed it so they could create another majority of an oppressed minority, so they could pull the next "racism" card but apply it to some whites too (even though they could care less about whites, or blacks tbh). The people pushing the LGBT agenda don't care about the community as much as they care about getting votes. That's the entirety of why the community has been pushed to be culturally accepted now, because as Hitler said, "rage is a successful unifier," something the left has taken to heart in many ways.

Whether non-communist leaders kill people is irrelevant. Most dictators are going to kill people for not supporting them. What I'm saying is that communists have been shown to aim to control the population count. I never said anything about global depopulation, they need someone to torment. They just can't have too many people, or eventually people won't put up with their BS leadership.

Then what's this nonsense about people trying to sign laws about being able to kill children 28 days after birth? We conservatives knew this was coming when they started legalizing abortion in the first place, but the left chanted, "it's not a baby till it's born" and now here we are with this BS

They haven't yet, but there's a case on it going on right now.

Which isn't happening? It's only been barely around 10 years. That's coming at some point. Just watch social media and the hatred toward anyone who doesn't support LGBT people.

It isn't a threat to democracy, only a threat to the leftist style of democracy also called marxism.

Democracy is a code word for Marxism. They do not intend on a system when the people vote for what they want. They want blind obedience.

Again a false analogy. We are discussing the left's version of "Democracy" which more closely resembles Marxism.

The left never says the quiet part out loud, but anyone who looks at what they are doing knows it is marxism.

Octavia really doesn't have that much going for her, does she.

I do, which is why I commented that.

:l

I believe Octavia is a middle-aged guy, though he is a moderator of the children's My Little Pony stream.

🤣🤣🤣😂😂

This meant that the left's idea of democracy is a code word for Marxism. This is why if Trump wins, Putin is threatening democracy, and if Biden wins, anyone who doesn't believe it is threatening democracy. No matter what, conservatives are always on the flip side of democracy. But to be honest, I'm actually offended that the word "democracy" is similar to "Democrat" because the two have nothing to do with each other, and haven't for at least 70 years.

It's all about the feelz,,,

I didn't ask you to care. I just said the two words have nothing to do with each other, which is a statement of fact, not an emotion. I said I specifically had an emotional reaction to it, but that doesn't change that I made a straight assertion that had no emotion attached to it. And the difference between me and a leftist is that my self worth doesn't come from everyone in the world cheering me on in every single thing I think or do. If I did operate like that, I'd be long dead by now, or look like these zombie rage faces you see all over social media whenever some young activist feels "oppressed"

For someone not having an emotional reaction to it, you sure are highlighting your emotional reaction to it quite a bit, much as your proclamation that your self worth doesn''t come from everyone in the world cheering you yet you bringing that up framed by party team pom poms waving furiously in the wind despite its complete irrelevance to anything anyone is addressing
- other than you, that is.

When you make these trivial partisan posturings about ego - your ego - you are, in doing so, attaching your ego to said posturing, despite it having no bearing on basic facts.
Words mean what they mean, regardless how desperately you try to twist their meanings to service an agenda, an agenda pumped out of a Russian disinformation farm that pretends to portray its own self as a foil as if that's going to hoodwink anyone who hasn't spent the last decade in a coma.

We barely escaped a wannabe Fascist dictator's attempt at hijacking America in 2020. He'll probably get to do it in 2024 and end the USA then, much to the glee of the Alt Right Wingers' need for rigid authoritian rule.
Just remember when the Brownshirts start demanding the piece of the pie they ain't getting they will be extirpated like the embarrassing noisy rabble whose purpose they've outlived that they are...

You’re laughable if you think I or many right-wingers want anything to do with a dictatorship. Was America run by a dictatorship in 2017-2020? When Hitler took power, he made his authoritarianism unquestionable by the instant. It was actually obvious before then, but people aren’t smart enough to figure out when a dictator is actually coming. Mao and Lenin did the same thing, except they took over their countries by force before they became the dictators they were. So it’s odd that Trump would NOT be a dictator for four years, and suddenly reveal his plan to be one at the NEXT election, instead of just enforcing his dictator authority while he’s still in office. And let me tell you something about dictators. When they try to cheat elections, they don’t fail, because it was in the plan far before the other side can realize it. The left was not only “ready” for it, but they had stories in plan for it. And if you saw some of my arguments from back then, I told people this was going to happen months before it did.

Hugo Chavez didn’t fail when he fixed the voter system so only he could win. And some people, like the Kims in North Korea, abandoned the voter system and returned to the dynasty method, something America tried to get the heck away from.

I don’t think we’ll have a Republican ever again because of what the left got away with in 2020 (and some BS I’ve heard Kamala Harris say recently), but if Trump does manage to win in 2024, you’ll see that America isn’t going to end, and the world isn’t going to end as we know it.

You’re also laughable if you think the majority of the right is Nazis and KKK members. Nazis weren’t even on the right when they started, and the left just blamed all of their actions on the right once they started being evil. Just like they’ve done with Putin. The KKK was started by democrats who were against Republicans and hated blacks because all blacks were Republican at the time. Then they just got caught up in racism that when the New Deal happened, they just hated blacks anyway.

Well, maybe I shouldn’t have said “I get offended when…” since you seem to not be able to hear past that. What I meant is that it is utter BS for Democrats to be BSing about democracy when both they and the communists that back them up undermine democracy and then use the word to guilt trip all their gullible sheep into blindly supporting everything they do.

I don’t like bringing up personal matters in debates, but I don’t have a huge ego. Egos annoy me, especially when people try to use logical terms to sound smarter than others or “win” arguments, since I know a huge percentage of logical terms and how they can be misused. I’m not prideful about these things, I’ve just been educated about them and know enough to not be rattled by things. (For example, someone once told me I was committing a fallacy and when I asked what it was, they said it was “argumentum ex culo”, the fallacy of falsified information. In order to even accuse someone of that “fallacy” you would have to 1) have a ridiculous ego, 2) commit another fallacy in doing that, because claiming you are right by using fake terms is a fallacy, and attacking sources is another fallacy, and there are many more that argument commits, and 3) have no idea how logic even works.)

It’s funny you talk about Russian disinformation, since it’s been revealed not too long ago that Russia has been the ones funding the push of green movements in America (which is a straight-up communist agenda, if you look at it historically). No matter what anyone says, though, the left is always going to blame anything Russia does on the right. However, there’s actually more evidence that Russia is left-leaning than right. And it’s not based on the argument “I said so 1 billion times,” something the left surely loves to use. Matter of fact, there’s some evidence now that the USSR’s government system never exactly fell, it’s market just crashed (because communism will always crash at some point unless you’re manipulative and take advantage of richer countries that are being run by stupid bought out idiots, like China has done with Democrats and the Biden administration).

But if Russia really was in a conspiracy with Trump, then why was Trump’s tenure the only tenure out of the last four US presidents in which Putin didn’t try to invade another country? It happened with Obama, Biden, and even Bush. But not Trump.

Also, who’s the one supporting rigid authoritarian rule? Many leftists are self-proclaimed communists now. So many college kids, professors, and social media users are Marxists. BLM’s founders are Marxist. And what idea has led to countless rigid authoritarian utopias? The USSR, post-WWII East Germany (though you could argue WWII also, since Nazis were socialists), China, North Korea, Vietnam, Venezuela, Cuba, Cambodia, and many more, all utter hell to live in, and all whose first dictators employed far worse first four years in power than your self-proclaimed devil Trump’s first four years in office.

And before you say the same thing about Biden, I never accused Biden of being a dictator. I think he’s bought out by more than one dictator of another country, and I do believe some of the growing names on the left are aspiring dictators, but I don’t think Biden is one. My problem with Biden is that he’s incompetent and is possibly the dumbest person I’ve ever seen on TV. And his actions often look like that of someone who’s actively trying to sabotage his own country and the world, and when there are simple solutions to problems like gas prices, he ignores them and goes on to do more stupid things. He took the troops out of Afghanistan and the dictators took over that country instantly. North Korea just launched their biggest nuclear bomb test since Obama’s tenure (because as much as the left claims Trump kissed Kim Jong Un’s butt, Trump shut their bomb making down, and Biden has it up and running again). And the Iran situation is even worse. Russia (yes, Russia) and Iran discuss the terms of the Iran Nuclear Deal (with Americans unallowed in the room), and Biden just signs it without knowing a darn thing about the conditions or anything involved. Oh, and China became richer than America in less than a year after his tenure after donating a billion dollars to his son (to which social media would ban any “misinformation” [bet that’s gonna be on the Department of Misinformation even after it’s been proven true] on the subject.)

My problem with Biden isn’t that he’s a dictator. He’s either extremely stupid or he’s crumbling America on purpose. And sometimes I think both. And Kamala Harris isn’t much better, but even she sometimes looks like a genius when compared with Biden. But I can’t stand her for other reasons, one of which is that she doesn’t answer questions she doesn’t want to.

tl;dr

Again, for someone not having an emotional reaction to it, you sure are highlighting your emotional reaction to it quite a bit, much as your proclamation that your self worth doesn''t come from everyone in the world cheering you yet you bringing that up framed by party team pom poms waving furiously in the wind despite its complete irrelevance to anything anyone is addressing
- other than you, that is.

You don't have to provide three walls of rambling partisan hack text to prove me right. Heck, I might have even read some if it was 1.) briefer 2.) not the usual Alt Right clap trap.

Your cult leader loser failed at his bid for dictatorship in 2020. Let's hope he doesn't get a 2nd chance at destroying MY America in 2024 while some ornery trailer park rejects with acute daddy issues cheer on.

1) I already have said I shouldn't have said that because it's distracting you and you can't hear any actual points I'm making (not that you or any leftists ever do)

2) I bet you read little of it and just responded to what caught your eye as offensive.

3) what's really dumb is to make an argument about the person instead of the argument. That's an ad hominem fallacy.

4) you didn't read much of what I wrote bc I addressed pretty much all of that. And aren't communists the ones who want to tear down the government system and "build back better" as Biden says? It's funny, most of what y'all accuse Trump of is all what communists are about, yet they don't get the same hatred.

5) I was blessed to live in a 2 parent home, which is rare among people that are mostly black, but I am lucky in that regard. You know nothing about me, and you're not going to if you try to keep guessing, so just stop trying. It's always so pitiful when people try it. What I'm NOT lucky in is that I am alive in a generation that is dumb enough to say things like "I don't want Trump changing MY America for good" while supporting a party that hates everything America was founded on and wants to tear it down and build back better.

Stop. cramming. my. notifs. HINT. HINT.

- Stalin