Democrats don’t care about human lives

Back when I was in school I did a thesis that dealt with abortion. The numbers are way higher than just 354,000. They don’t provide us all info. You have to find it and add it up yourself.

https://www.abortioncounter.com/

https://www.mdch.state.mi.us/osr/abortion/Tab_US.asp

Guess the numbers went down a bit.

I'm sure online gaming has helped reduce the numbers since less boys are leaving their rooms to even fool around with girls.

Thanks video games!

video games prevent you from stupid mistakes

Did you learn that the vast majority of abortions happen in the first few weeks?

The image used in the op's meme is intentionally misleading.

Don’t even go there. If you are of the belief that it is just a ball of cells, you are brainwashed. Within just a few days, there is a head, face, arms, hands, eyes, and fingers. The first sonogram of my first son was taken around 15 days after conception. It is a completely recognizable human baby. I have relatives who love abortions. They were so offended when they saw the sonogram they wouldn’t even go into the kitchen where it was hanging on the refrigerator. They were so deeply offended, they were saying it had to be coincidence like a picture in coffee grinds because according to them it took 6 months to become a fetus. That is how woefully wrong Roe v Wade was. That people literally wanted to believe a court case as science.

Democrats also like to ignore the fact that civilian owned guns prevent between 60K to 2.5 million crimes every year according to the CDC . from the CDC web site - What is defensive gun use? How often does it occur?
Although definitions of defensive gun use vary, it is generally defined as the use of a firearm to protect and defend one’s self, family, others, and/or property against crime or victimization.

Estimates of defensive gun use vary depending on the questions asked, populations studied, timeframe, and other factors related to the design of studies. The report Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violenceexternal icon indicates a range of 60,000 to 2.5 million defensive gun uses each year.

The definition of murder is the unlawful killing of another human being. While I am a pro life, anti killing of the unborn, it technically isn't murder. Unless of course they do it in Texas.

Okay so I guess it's technically not murder. But it should be.

Yes, and Texas is doing something about it.

Yeah, making it unsafe.

Making killing children in the womb unsafe? For whom? The mother?

GTFO... If you can't decide if you want to kill your child after the heartbeat, you shouldn't even be having a child.

All you crying leftists are so dedicated to killing children you can't even help yourselves...

Its not really killing babies, and correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that the mother takes a pill that prevents the baby from growing- and at the time the mother can still take the pill the baby isn't conscious, so the baby feels no pain and the mother doesn't have to raise a baby.

"Its not really killing babies, "

Yes, it is. It's killing an actual life. Last I checked, a heartbeat indicates life.

"If you can't decide if you want to kill your child after the heartbeat, you shouldn't even be having a child"

That's exactly what's happening dude, they are choosing not to have it.

if that were true abortion wouldnt be a thing now would it
gtfo

"Making killing children in the womb unsafe? For whom? The mother?"

You worked that out all by yourself?

If you're going to quote me, you should quote the entire comment, instead of quoting part of it and using it to try and make me look stupid.

Like I said, in cases of rape and health, we can have the argument that abortion is necessary. But like I also said, those cases only make up a very small percentage of abortions.

Depending on the state, it technically is murder, as in when someone attacks a pregnant woman and kills the baby, murder. Several states would count both deaths as "double homicide", technically speaking.

Yes, but the act of abortion isn't technically defined by law as murder. I believe it should be, but it isn't unfortunately.

Well, as long as it is called "abortion" I guess we're all ok. sigh. Should I accidentally cause the death of an unborn to someone, I'll use the "practicing medicine without a license" defense, and say it was just an accidental abortion. The way the mind has to flip around to understand this logic baffles me.

So what should women with disorders that could kill them if they got pregnant do?

Are we talking about [email protected]? Or are we talking about having consentual s3x? If getting pregnant could literally kill them, why are they having unprotected s3x? Also, does "could kill them" mean they're at a higher risk of death? Or are they literally going to die if they get pregnant?

Are you aware that women can get pregnant while having protected sex?

There are a bunch of disorders that can lead to the death of the woman, the death of the fetus, the death of a fetal twin, and cause the woman to be at a higher risk of death.

That isn't even taking into account the usual detrimental effects of pregnancy and childbirth, why do you think they should be forced on someone?

"Are you aware that women can get pregnant while having protected sex?"

Of course. I wasn't born yesterday.

"There are a bunch of disorders that can lead to the death of the woman, the death of the fetus, the death of a fetal twin, and cause the woman to be at a higher risk of death."

Of course there is. In that case, we can have a discussion about abortion and its usefulness.

"That isn't even taking into account the usual detrimental effects of pregnancy and childbirth, why do you think they should be forced on someone?"

Forced on someone? Forcing a living human child to be killed against their will is okay cause mommy's body might not look good afterward? The child is alive. Just because you can't hear the screams doesn't mean they aren't human beings.

About 1-3% of all abortions are done due to health risks of the mother or child and [email protected] That's 97% of abortions performed because the mother decided she doesn't want the child.

Name one

Not get pregnant - use birth control and/or plan b morning after pill or try abstinence. You know, take responsibility for your life, plan ahead.

What kind of disorders are there that will kill a woman if she gets pregnant?

No it’s definitely murder

No it's not, otherwise abortion would be illegal

There’s lots of things illegal that should be legal and there’s things that are legal that shouldnt be. I think abortion should be illegal for murder.

"There’s lots of things illegal that should be legal and there’s things that are legal that shouldnt be"

I agree

"I think abortion should be illegal for murder"

I disagree

Why do you disagree

I don't think terminating a pregnancy at its earliest stages is comparable to killing someone who has been fully developed and born. At the early stages of pregnancy the embryo cannot feel any pain, it has no thoughts or emotions or feelings, has no heartbeat, no brain, no nervous system, etc.

It is alive though. Just because there’s no heartbeat or anything doesn’t mean that the babies aren’t alive.

I think everyone but the most hard left individuals know that abortion is ending a life, however murder is a legal term that involves prison time and a felony charge. The question is should abortion be "murder" or is it simply ending a life form , which we do every day. It is a philosophical question that will never be answered, only debated.

This is bot hard to comprehend.

Abortion is a clear form of "MURDER"

It's not a life form that is being ended, it's a human being who's life is being

Abortion isn't murder

As KingToady explained, murder is a LEGAL term.

As such it is used in a disingenous way by those arguing in favor of... - the argument thus relying on semantics rather than the issue of extinguishing a life itself and the moral implications of...

There is a heartbeat after just 10 days. Life begins at conception.

That was proven by science decades ago but sadly we live in a sin filled world where humans want to live their own way.

"There is a heartbeat after just 10 days"

No there isn't

"That was proven by science decades ago but sadly we live in a sin filled world where humans want to live their own way"

What is sin?

It's the abbreviation of sine, right?..

The sine function is the ratio of the length of the opposite side to that of the hypotenuse in a right-angled triangle.

"Credeur05 2 ups, 2m, 1 reply

No it’s definitely murder"

"Octavia_Melody 2 ups, 2m, 1 reply

No it's not, otherwise abortion would be illegal"

No, the reverse.

If abortion was illegal, then it would then be called murder,
Since abortion IS legal, then it couldn't be defined as "murder,' which is a legal term and a cool use of sneaky semantics for circuitous arguments,
AKA ye olde,
"Abortion is not murder because it's legal,
and thus therefore abortion is legal because it's not murder.

And that shell game has the added benefit of pretending it can sidestep the basic fact that abortion kills a life (as intended), which, if it wasn't that, people receiving them should sue their abortionist for malpractice and find one more skilled in killing unborn babies in order to succeed in doing the job correctly.

........... aaaaaaaaand I just realized this discussion was originally from 2 months ago...

Note: Unlawful. Abortion isn't unlawful, so it doesn't count as murder just based on that one technicality.

A fetus isn't an autonomous human being.

Neither is a one-day old. Both are totally dependent on outside help to survive. Let's kill them too.

Is a newborn physically connected to another human being like a fetus is? No

A newborn baby is born connected...biology 101. And there is nothing in the cutting process that make a baby suddenly autonomous. It is still 100 percent dependent on outside help for years to come. So in your mind it's all about killing before the cord is cut? There's something magical that happens when the cord is cut that suddenly says, stop? Does it come with fairy dust?

"There's something magical that happens when the cord is cut"

It stops being attached to another person's body.

Also, you are ignoring that the vast majority of abortions take place in the first few weeks before the fetus has formed. Late abortions are rare and are done because there's a medical issue.

"A newborn baby is born connected"

The next day it's not connected. You referred to a one day old.

"And there is nothing in the cutting process that make a baby suddenly autonomous. It is still 100 percent dependent on outside help for years to come"

It's autonomous in the sense that it's not physically attached to another person in order to stay alive

"So in your mind it's all about killing before the cord is cut?"

I didn't say that