As we established early 2021, Republicans wouldn't know censorship if it hit them in the face.

Yup. State run censorship in Russia.

That's a hero. I hope she's ok.

Journalist who protested Ukraine war on Russian state TV is fined $280.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/15/marina-ovsyannikova-journalist-fined-for-ukraine-war-protest-on-russia-tv.html

From the article:
“...It was my anti-war decision. I made this decision by myself because I don’t like Russia starting this invasion. It was really terrible,” Ovsyannikova told the BBC after the hearing. She told reporters that she had gone two days with no sleep, and had been questioned for over 14 hours...

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... The law, passed on March 4, makes it illegal to discredit Russia’s army and bans the spread of so-called “fake news.” The offence carries a jail term of up to 15 years..

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... Since then, more than two dozen Russian media outlets have ceased operations or been blocked by the country’s media regulator, according to the Guardian. Many international news organizations and social media platforms including the BBC and Meta’s Facebook have also been banned.

Meanwhile, almost 15,000 people have been detained for protesting the war."

Glad there is that brand new site, an envy of every other social media site.... Truth Social... bahh bahhhh
A loser site, for the butt hurt losers

Can you imagine someone on Fox Current Events Entertainment doing that?

That's what conservatives are worried we're headed to. So many Democrats are communists now.

Universal healthcare isn’t communism

Censorship is not an intrinsic part of communism. Jsyk.

Shutting up dissenters is exactly what communists do. They're just a lot more harsh about it.

Conservative Christians often do the same thing

They kill people for disagreeing with them? I missed that part in American history

Conservative Christians existed before American History.

Ever heard of the spanish inquisition? The Crusades? Those were all "Kill for disagreeing."

Those were Catholics (who were persecuting other Christians btw), and conservativism wasn't invented yet. Also that wasn't American history, and I don't support the inquisition.

The Crusades were Muslims and Christians fighting over land. While I think the whole idea of a specific religion owning a land is petty, neither side could really safely back out of that fight, so demonizing one side for it is really stupid. Plus, Islam originally spread by the sword, so it's not a good rap to accuse Christians of murder for disagreement when you're talking about fighting Muslims less than 5 centuries after the religion was invented. And again, conservatism wasn't invented yet. It wasn't invented until just before 1800.

Even though the use of the term "Conservatism" was not invented until 1800, the mindset still existed.. That is, the commitment to traditional values and an aversion to change or innovation i.e; you don't need to have the word to practice what the word defines.

The Crusades were to stop the expansion of Muslim States, and to reclaim the Christian "Holy Land."
In short? "No, that's not your holy land, that's my holy land." Religion being used as the cause for war.

Stop your white-washed Christian Glorified nonsense right now.

Christians in the context of this conversation are Christians. Different sects don't matter as they all read from the same selection of books.

Your whole "five centuries earlier" nonsense is just that. Simply because 200 years BEFORE that time you referenced happened, Christianity didn't really get any momentum until c. 300 CE, when Constantine made it the official religion of the Romans.

Kinda funny though. Islam added books on what the Christians had. Christian added books on what Jews had. Jews received much of their material from the Hammurabi Law Code in Babylon.

But no one told you that.

Have you read what Jesus preached? The guy was definitely a commie.

I think you mean socialist

I meant communist, but I don't expect anyone to agree with me.

How do you figure he's a communist?

No he wasn't. Communism hates any form of God, and Jesus claimed to be God.

That's not necessarily true...

Jesus also preached giving to the poor and paying taxes.

Wrong. That's authoritarianism. Communism has nothing to do with censorship.

More harsh than who?

Why do so many republicans support Putin?

1) I don't know what you're talking about. I never supported Putin, and thought all these claims of him meddling in the 2020 election for Trump were bullcrap, because he'd be better off with Biden in office. And I was right. Biden has done far more to help Russia than America, and it isn't surprising to see them do nothing for Ukraine except talk about how sorry their situation is. If Trump or Reagan were in office, the message to Putin would be clear: "You have 24 hours to get your butts out of Ukraine, or we're dealing with you ourselves." Ever wonder why Putin never dared meddle with other countries during Trump's tenure, despite doing it with Bush, Obama, and now Biden in office?
2) the green movement has been funded by Russia for a long time. Russia has been planning to take the US for almost a century now, and it didn't stop when the USSR fell. (Also I am suspecting now that they quietly rebuilt it or are rebuilding it). But the green agenda is a communist agenda and therefore no conservatives that know what it's about and where it comes from would support it. Communism never left Russia; it just tanked their economy, and that's how the USSR fell.
3) I've seen people say Christians all support Putin because he supports Christian ideals, but when has he ever said anything Christian or even respected a God? That claim has zero merit and is mostly based on similar discriminations the left wants to pin on them both to make them look similar (since Putin is hated rn), but Che Guevara also held these discriminations, so they contradict themselves.

There are some things I've respected about Putin, but I've never supported him and certainly do not support or respect this whole Ukraine mess, or how Incompetent Biden is handling it.

So, You're an expert on foreign affairs now? Shut up.

Support/respect….whatever.

Thanks for proving my point.

Apart from detestably praising Putin for his aggression, Trump has made no statement about what he’d do specifically as President about the Ukraine crisis.

Your assertion that he would play it like a Rambo and send U.S. troops to Ukraine without a declaration of war if Russia failed to withdraw within 24 hours is pure speculation. Just as likely, Trump wouldn’t have done anything against Russia — not even sanctions.

Trump’s history of positive interactions with Putin, of disparaging NATO, and his bullying and blackmailing of Ukraine (see: Trump’s first impeachment) give no reason to suspect he’d be handling this Ukraine crisis well, and plenty of reasons to suspect he wouldn’t.

"He said it never would've happened under him, and tbh, I didn't need him to say that to know it. Actually, I argued that before he even said it."

Say youre in a cult without saying youre in a cult

What did Putin get with Biden?

Here's the thing. As long as innovation exists, new jobs will too.
>> In diminishing returns. The number of jobs will be minimized as more automation becomes available. We won't be able to meet that job market with our exponential population growth.

As you move into the younger generation, you're starting to see more coding jobs, and more online-centered jobs.
>> Even those jobs are being replaced.
Trading is a good strategy for making money, as is social media, if you know how to do it.
>> That's a big if. Especially on being a Social Media Influencer.

And these are things that are perfectly easy to do in a capitalist state, but much harder in a communist one.
>> How? You can do all of these things in communism.

For example, North Korea doesn't allow much technology, so literally all the job ideas I just mentioned are automatically impossible.
>> Bad Example, NK is an extreme Communist Police-State run by an Authoritarian Monarchy.

And do you know that despite it's creation by a Chinese company, TikTok is not legal to use in China? Communists don't want people on the internet, or they might know too much.
>> Again, that's authoritarianism, not communism.

Only the rich are allowed access, and they usually are connected to political power.
>> Describing Oligarchy...

That system would be impossible to do here unless it's done by force, but then again, we've been duped so bad it might not matter.
>> Yeah, it's obvious you've been duped.

Anti-capitalists trend to say the rich are usually evil,
>> Define "evil" before we get into that topic.
but in a communist society, it's impossible to get rich without corrupt manipulation of the government, making every wealthy person alive a crook.
>> Capitalism is exploitation of the labor class. That's exactly what it is. Renting out land to someone is exploiting people for their money (or lack thereof)

Also, isn't that what communists are arguing when they say the idea has never been tried properly? I mean, one could argue capitalism hasn't been perfectly tried. It's still quite comfortable to live in for a majority of people, and even our poor people have it better than many people in other countries, rich or poor, do
>> That's because we have socialist policies that support the poverty-class. But, the right wing wants to get rid of that.

On the campiagn trail in 2016 flexing his impressive little man balls, Trump also said he was going to get Russia out of Crimea, did he not?
As soon as you find out when's the ETA on that military expedition, you let me know, mkay?

Didn't Biden say Putin would pay for meddling in the 2020 election? So why's he been Putin's #1 customer and why has he given Putin everything he wants?
The answer is simple. Biden knew Putin had nothing to do with the 2020 election and was putting on a show for his followers. Since people don't seem to remember things over a span of a few months, he could later work with Putin and Democrats wouldn't suspect a thing, even after they invaded Ukraine. Somehow Republicans are the ones to blame.

Biden is putin's #1 customer?! Biden's giving putin everything he wants!? You're flat-out lying, obviously so, and your credibility is gone.

Yadda yadda we've been buying Russian oil for decades. Trump made up for cutting off the Venezuelan supply by buying even more from his idol. Putin.

Not only that, he brokered a deal between Russia and Saudi Arabia in 2020 to limit supply in order to RAISE prices, as they had been falling due to lack of demand on account of this shut down thingy that everyone forgot...
Well strap yourself in and guess what came next, THEY'RE STILL DOING IT! Taking a big hit cost them in 2020, so they've had to make up for that and now are shooting for more since demand is another word for having someone by the nuts.

Welcome to Capitalism 101.

Who had our gas at low prices? Trump.
>> I wonder at what cost?

Who's got our gas prices nearly doubled in just two years?
>> You mean, the deal where Trump kept the price of gas higher than it actually was when there was no demand for it? Or are you talking about the Republican Supply crisis due to Republican COVIDiots?

And he could easily get them lowered, but since when do Democrats actually care for the poor?
>> Did you get your stimulus checks? The ones that the Republicans fought against? Did you get your rent extended? The thing Republicans fought against? We kept Food Stamps going, and continue to fight for it. Oh hey, did you get ACA Healthcare? Millions of Americans are now covered because now they can afford it.

Just shut up with your right wing Propaganda drivel. The only reason I haven't deleted your garbage is because you come off as a 17 year old who's new to politics, so I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt.

"If you don't like capitalism, move to China or Venezuela. Stop trying to make my home the next USSR. That's been their goal for a century, and I have zero interest in living in that environment, and certainly am not gullible enough to usher it in. Sure capitalism isn't perfect, but it's a million times better than communism."

Apart from your claim without any supporting argument.. riddle me this.

Capitalism relies on the labor force. That's you, me and everyone else here who works under someone who owns a company. Thing is, automation is becoming more and more a thing. That automation is one-time-payment labor foce with minimal upkeep. It doesn't need to sleep, eat, etc.

With the developments going into AI, replacing the work force, (see image on the left) we now have UGVs delivering food and interacting with traffic and following traffic laws. No remotes, no guidance lines in the ground. Purely automated. THere goes a hit to the delivery job market... Remember vehicle manufacturing? A lot of jobs gone there, too. Telemarketing? Replaced with bots.

Before you say "Jobs will be made to maintain those." You need to understand that you need a 2 year degree for maintenence on such machines, maybe even 4. With a shrinking job market, rising costs in tuition and education, what happens when there simply isn't any more jobs? The whole premise of capitalism is to cut costs, raise prices.

Innovation is our modern-day gold rush. Whoever can innovate and sell non-human labor is going to make billions. Why do you think engineering jobs in machinery and AI are paying so much right now?

Technology has evolved beyond capitalism.
What suggestions do you have, beyond mediocre PR statements like "It's not perfect, but it works."

That there? That's an apologist statement.

"The Titanic may not be unsinkable, but it is a good ship and it does get us from point A to point B." (Famous last words.)

tl;dr

Again, no still.
The market is not dictated by a bloated orange cream puff or some pinprick-eyed Perry Como reject. This isn't your Russia.

Listen, I get it. You got rubles to earn, but you already know that I know you're just posting bogus propaganda and not even in a fun way. So save it for the Commie Donny bots and let's stop wasting my time with your silly fanfic, shall we?

Oh, and tell your boss Putin he can kiss my American buttocks.

toodles!

Who said I like Russia? I don't want to live there and don't want America to become like them.

How would I know this exactly? You're accusing me of actively lying now?

And frick Putin. I support Ukraine. Stop telling me what I support. It makes you sound younger.

Reagan? Like what, Grenada? Because you sure ain't talking Lebanon, which bin Laden specifically cited as an example of how we'd rather pull out and run than take action the way Cowboy Ronny did when the barracks got attacked and our soldiers killed. Oh, and Qaddafi's empty residence in retaliation for Lockerbie 103 which everyone suspected was Iran, the same Iran, btw, Ron gave weapons to as per his deal with Khomeini to keep the American hostages till after he was inaugurated paid for by starting the Crack Epidemic? THAT Reagan?

Trump? Pull out of northern Syria Trump because Erdogan told him to in one phone call, consulting no one? Him? The one who on the eve of war with Iran he started by assassinating General Soleimani cut out after Iran bombed our soldiers in the barracks in Iraq, at first denying they were there, then saying the brain injuries sustained were mere headaches? THAT Trump? Let's case military exercises with NK and pull out of the DMZ because Kim wanted him to Trump? Get out of NATO as per Putin's request coming up next? Putin's pet bitch? Twitter Tears Trump? HIM?

The rest is likewise nonsense.

Check out the front page if you wanna see MAGAts galore revealing themselves to be Russian shills or are they just fanbois over the sexy SOB?

Let's cancel*

You are a horrendous interpreter of human thoughts. Please retire.

Cowboy Ron sure showed Grenada! BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Umm, Trump had the prices in the mid $2 range, not low to medium $4 range, or if you're in the leftist run California, an average of $5.75 per gallon
>> Obama had it to $1.86

Stimulus checks would've been okay as long as people weren't trying to use the pandemic to escape work for far longer than necessary.
>> Lol, say that outloud again. "People didn't want to show up to work because they didn't want to get sick with a virus that was outpacing the leading cause of death in the US." (I had to fix it for you with some facts.)

The country still has to run and progress. I would've ... it's far more complicated than you'd realize. It's not something I could write about in this short space, nor would I have the time.
>> You already think you know more than me. Alright. That tells me you probably know less.

I don't always pay attention to politics because left-wingers often depress me, but when I do, I remember things that people actually say. For example, I remember Barney Frank (D) pushing the housing agenda back in the 2000s (the idea to make sure everyone in America had houses), while calling the solution of rentals a heartless conservative idea. When his agenda failed the very next year (aka the housing bust), he claimed conservatives had forced the housing agenda and he'd been pushing for rentals. You can actually find footage of both times. This is the kind of crap politicians pull off, and you never hear of it because the left doesn't want you to.
>>
Wow, what a nice example of a cherry picked argument. Should I go down the list of every single thing a right-wing politician said that you'd deny out of hand? Jesus Christ, get real.

Putin is a staunch conservative

Biden is fixing the Russian economy, which ended?

So how is Biden fixing the Russian economy, and should he be credited or condemned for doing so?

Barely any Democrats are actually communists.

It sounds like everything to you is part of a massive conspiracy to advance communism

I mean, if he actually knew what communism was, he might not think it was such a bad idea.

I've seen Christians be despicably vile to athiests/agnostics/gnostics before.

You're applying a genetic fallacy to communism through confirmation bias.

You've seen it personally? You've seen millions of Christians gassed in chambers and put into labor camps? Nazis were against communism as well..

How exactly? You just cited one example. Is that all you have? Seems like that one example to base your argument is confirmation bias.

I've seen Christians burn crosses, hang people, etc. They didn't care if you believed in God or not. I see Christians TODAY mocking our veterans at their graves saying something to the effect of "Your son died in war because gays are allowed in our country."

I see Christians being prejudiced against the LGBTQ community for cherry picking the bible.

So, you can stop with your literal "holier than thou" shit.

We don’t believe in the convoluted right-wing fiction that the Democratic Party is somehow run by Communists or derives from communism. The Democratic Party is a moderate social-democratic party with an outlook similar to Denmark or Sweden, which are fundamentally capitalist states, far cries from communism. A general desire to help poor people obtain adequate food, water, housing, employment, and healthcare doesn’t equal seizing the means of production or trying to make everyone literally equal.

There is one self-described communist who tries to post on PoliticsTOO from time to time, but he is constantly violating our rules here because he is just plain wrong on the facts or just plain belligerent.

Though you put a lot of effort into it, your comment likely will be deleted for promoting misinformation. I will personally recuse myself from that decision, however, since I’m replying to you and so it would be improper for me to also take a mod action in the same thread. If you wish to copy-paste to preserve your comment and repost it on conservatives stream or elsewhere, now’s your chance.

Note:

—Democratic Presidents JFK and LBJ were both militantly anti-communist: So anti-communist that they invaded Communist-run Cuba and risked nuclear war to stand up to the USSR (JFK), and also doubled-down on the anti-communist war in Vietnam (LBJ).

—These days, you will find the vast majority of Democrats (Joe Biden included) are just as adamantly opposed to both the Chinese Communist Party and Putin’s Russia which is a remnant of the old USSR. Though I personally believe it is more accurate to describe both China and Russia in their modern-day forms as far-right fascist dictatorships, given that they rely so heavily upon notions of racial purity, militant nationalism, dreams of territorial conquest, tearing down international treaties and institutions, etc.

Democrats are not Communists any more than Trump supporters are literal Neo-Nazis.

I support the green movement, and psychology.

It would change my mind about the USSR and Russia, not the green movement.

China surpassed us in wealth....?

That communist country?

Head explosion in 3….2…..1……

1) China is known for lying about things
>> Wake up. So is every country in the world.

2) China has been benefitting off of other countries, and probably have the Biden administration on a payroll (which is how I suspect they got so wealthy).
>>"Because Biden." Right, like none of the Trumps did any business in China? Give it a rest.

I mean, just 20 years ago the US could have legit paid the country's net worth without batting an eye.
>> Gotta love Clinton.

3) Just because the country is richer doesn't mean the people are richer.
>> Ah! So now we're establishing parameters. Let's narrow that down a bit so you can't move goalposts any further. Do you mean "Richer" in quality of life? Or, "Richer" in having more money?

It could also mean the government is richer, which is what conservatives don't want happening here. It's not a paradise over there. I have known several people irl who have lived and/or grown up there.
>> Anecdotal fallacies now? I've known people who've had nothing but good things to say about it. They do, however, acknowledge that their culture is different from ours. So, you want to implement our standard of living to other countries? Isn't that imposing worldview onto others?

You see, every time these suckers sit in office blabbing about "we care about the poor", they raise the gas prices (making travel unaffordable for poor people [Obama wanted to raise it to friggin $10 per gallon]),
>> Citation needed. Democrats, Republicans, Politicians, they don't dictate the price of gasoline. That's not how the free market works.

and they raise taxes,
>> Of the wealthy.

which raises the expense of literally everything, making grocery shopping a fricking headache for anyone with a limited budget.

>> Okay, picking up some animosity there. Probably hits close to home. The taxes that are raised under republicans? Yeah, those benefits don't pass on to you. Notice how the ONLY thing that changed under Trump, were the gas prices going UP. Only in April '20 did they fall due to lack of demand due to pandemic.

By your logic, Trump raised gas prices from Pro-Bama.

"Oh, and also Biden is murdering the American economy, so passing America in wealth isn't as difficult as say, passing it when Trump was in office."

No, MAGAs who wouldn't follow direction over the pandemic that prolonged shut downs, closed businesses, etc... That' destroyed the economy. We called it back then that these actions Anti-Maskers and Anti-Vaxxers were going to cost us the economy because they simply couldn't "comply" because they're afraid of the word for its namesake, instead of seeing the greater logic in doing something that would be submitting compliance to common sense instead of the government.

Let me say that again.

The government (Started in Trump era) gave some common sense advice:

Mask & Social distance. Because the government said it, and there was the big "C" word, MAGA was against it.

Common sense: Take the vaccine.

No one's dying. No one is going sterile.

This economy is because MAGA made it as difficult as possible (this is fact) because they wanted to preserve their fragile ego.

The green movement is taking care of America. The economy is dependent on the environment.

I wonder how much money I could make for every white lie Trump told if each was 5 dollars... Even then, the standard for what is petty and what isn't is relative to the reader/viewer.

You're accusing Biden of some sort of money connection with China. Ivanka sold patents to China WHILE holding a government position. Trump had $15mil in China. Where's the outrage? Oh wait, bias. Right.

Clinton. Right, so even though we were out of debt under clinton, it wasn't because of him. It was because of the guy before him. So, Biden inherited a shit economy from Trump, right? Obama inherited the 2008 recession. Right?

So, you're saying that China as a country *may* have more money. But you're not citing any sources of any kind for the country or its people. So who sets down the policy? The government. You know what the government decides on? What sort of communist/socialist policies they want to follow/not follow. Again, you're blindly making your assumption that "Communism bad." Because you see authoritarian states abusing the system.
When people say "Communism hasn't been tried before." Is because governments in the past have taken all the higher up bonuses for themselves and left out all the good parts for the people. But you wouldn't know that because you haven't read Marx.4

Times are changing. Communism is gaining popularity because people are losing jobs. People want to own the means of production instead of being expendable.

Wrong, Protestant and Catholic religion is permitted in China. Get educated (woke.)

You're also correct. These tax breaks that Republicans are offering for the rich offer no benefits for the poverty class for those who need to buy Groceries. Democrats at least try to fix that to some extent.

in re: gasoline. https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=emm_epm0_pte_nus_dpg&f=m

Also, This "Biden Gas hike" is really overblown out of proportion.
Let the graph speak for itself.

What I find odd is that people ignore the fact that Trump mishandled the pandemic - extremely poorly. If you think he did a good job, you're a f**king idiot.

Gish gallop