Right-wing extremists love to deny the existence of right-wing extremism.

Nazis were far right, “National Socialist German Worker’s Party.” is very misleading

And is was always meant to be misleading. They intentionally mixed conservative buzzwords like "National" and "German" with communist sounding ones like "Socialist" and "Worker's" so they could say "See? We have right and left topics right in our name. We are very moderate and we have something for everybody."

Sadly, enough people fell for it for them to be able to make it illegal to support any other party and self-fulfilling that prophecy. And the AfD is following that exact playbook these days, claiming they are just the party of "concerned citizens" and simply an "alternative" to the establishment.

And just like almost a century ago, everybody knows they aren't actually a party for everyone but far right extremists that would ban any other opinion (and the people supporting them) once they fooled enough people to either vote for them or not at all. And just like almost a century ago they are using a global tragedy and twisting it for their own purposes. It's sad how cyclic history has become..

Very Deceitful They Were.
In Retrospect, I Don't Understand Why People Perceived The Nazis As-If They Were "Honest".

Besides 1) "Work Will Make You Free",
2) "Goebbels Repeatedly Accusing-People Of What-They-Are",
3) An Actual Propaganda Department. (The Propaganda Did Their Usual "Narrative", While Hitler Didn't Do Much Except Give Speeches To Incite The Public.)

Also,
If The Nazis Were "Socialists", Why Did They Fight "The Communists"?
If The Nazis Were "Socialists", Why Did They Fight "The Capitalists"?
...
If The Nazis Were "Socialists", Why Did They "Join Italy(The Fascists. Which Meant Selected Together.)"?
There's A Lot Of Policy That Wasn't Done By "Hitler" Or "The Nazis".
It's As-If Through Deception, The Nazi-Operation Did Their Wars.

As-Usual, A Lot Of People Think That They Are Right About The Nazis, Then Later, They Are Totally Debunked.
...
It Turns-Out That "Nazis Were A Front" And "The Nazi-Front Was
Deceiving-Against The-Germans,
Propaganda-Against The-Germans,
Incitement-Against The-Germans,
Hiding-From The-Germans.

"Nazism" Was An Operation From Start To Finn...
...They Went To South-America.
Even Then, They Were Deceptive Towards The Public, But Kept Recruiting And Talking.

Truly, The Germans Went From "Starving In The-1920s",
To "Having GeoPolicy Taken-Away",
And Suddenly "Germany Built Some Of The Best Civilization In History During The 1930s".
This Is Very Interesting.
How Could Starving, Cold, Isolated People Suddenly Be "Deceived",
But Without GeoPolitics: They Build One Of The Best Civilizations.

Tsk, Tsk.
The Nazi-Operation Deceived Others The Entire Time.
What-Were-People-Doing Treating "Nazism" As-If They Had "Honesty"?
The Nazi-Operation Deceived The-Public.
The Nazi-Operation Deceived Others.

The German-People Were Duped.
The Nazi-Operation Deceived.

Back-To-The-Top:
The Nazis Weren't Really "Socialists".
Yet, The Nazis DID Deceive Everyone.

It's very easy to say the German people were simply deceived. Many knew exactly what was going on. Just look around today. In many countries far right politicians and policies are becoming more and more popular. And we're all here making fun of the people who voted for those fashists. But even though we all know what's going on, they are still getting elected! We aren't deceived - we're a part of the system and we are part of the reason so many radicals are gaining power. Everybody saw what Trump did and somehow there's still even a chance he might run again and there's still a chance he might actually get there again. Everybody saw that Boris Johnson lied about every fact to get people to vote for Brexit and he still became PM after that. Look around. They're not even hiding it and it still works on enough of us to keep shifting further and further right. It's a sad thing to admit but this is apparently what we as a society want.

They liked the Nazis' lies because they made them feel better.

The only reason why the nazi used socialism in their name is to gain more support in the German election, even Hitler ignore the idea of socialism in the party when talking to one of his party members about socialist ideas, he said quote.

"Your socialism is Marxism pure and simple. You see, the great mass of workers only wants bread and circuses. Ideas are not accessible to them and we cannot hope to win them over. We attach ourselves to the fringe, the race of lords, which did not grow through a miserabilist doctrine and knows by the virtue of its own character that it is called to rule, and rule without weakness over the masses of beings."

The more you know.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/05/right-needs-stop-falsely-claiming-that-nazis-were-socialists/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/made-by-history/wp/2018/08/01/there-is-nothing-liberal-about-fascism/

I know that we'd really like them to do that, but I don't think that they will need to until it gets them somewhere.

It already does get them somewhere. By condemning the Nazis and claiming they were somehow socialist they are

- reassuring their own fanbase that they're not Nazis but instead just regular citizens and thus it is completely normal to vote for them,

- making socialist parties and ideas look like they are connected to Nazis to everybody who isn't a socialist and telling everyone to not vote for them without actually needing to say it,

- making all the moderate left struggle to not be associated with socialism and using "democrate" or "moderate" instead, thus

- further marginalizing those brave enough to still call themselves socialists who now also don't want to work with the moderates who betrayed them losing further influence and power.

It's such a profoundly effective move because it makes the opponents tear themselves apart and without needing to actually do anything for the people you still get them to vote for you.

They did the same thing to communism 50 to 60 years ago. The left split up leaving the communists to die out and the rest of the left to crawl ever so slightly further right. Without actually having moved themselves they made the average political orientation move right so the "center" moved towards them. And they'll keep doing it for as long as we let them.

I totally agree. I think the radical right is getting a LOT out of its strategic falsehoods/ misunderstandings, and they're not going to stop until there is a cost for it.

The real question, is how do we make it cost them?

There's only one way.

But we have a batman complex.

The Nazis obviously had far-right cultural and political policies, but didn't they have leftist economic policies?

Hitler put the word socialist in his groups identify because he was trying to draw more people into his orbit. But it was never about socialism. Even the unions had to pay the Nazis dues also known as strong-arming, extortion, corruption...., Kinda like the Republican party since they bowed down to the orange false god.

Hitler JOINED the National Socialist German Workers' Party because it already existed, and thus taking over its machinery and membership would have been easier and quicker than creating a new party, one which he didn't have much funding for either.

Initially he paid the Socialists lip service to appease them, but once he started picking up speed and broadening the base he was able to ditch it and them.

Thank you for putting it more succinctly, but the point being Hilter never was a socialist.

Exactly.

When he first joined it was called the German Worker’s Party.

https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists

The Nazis purged socialists, communists, democrats, and Jews from the Civil Service, and outlawed trade unions. Not very liberal of them.

Nazis claimed vaguely to stand for the German (“true German”) working class, like the Republican Party claims to stand for “real Americans.” Or like the Confederacy claimed to stand for working-class white Southerners. In every case, these reactionary movements punch down at other race/religion/cultural groups to make their supporters feel better, while doing nothing tangible to improve conditions for them.

for the Republican part, you can say that for any political party if they stand for "real (interest country)"

That’s not true of centrist parties. Their pitch is basically, “I will give you the best [XYZ thing],” not “I *am* the most [XYZ identity]”

Centrist or technocratic parties are focused on policies and results, radical or identitarian parties are focused on purity and division.

good point

I consider myself both radical and technocratic.

"First they came for the socialists-"
"And they got along because they agreed on everything, right?"
"No. What? Who are you, even?"