Your mask don't work, and apparently your jab don't work either.

Yeah, it can get tiresome 😔😞😴

A society that rejects God is doomed to eventually reject its very humanity as well.

https://i.imgflip.com/5njiqv.jpg

"Nature", or as evolutionists like to call it, "time & chance" is indeed just that. God, on the other hand, is the Designer Who put this in place.

What I find interesting and sad is that we have the ability to mess with God's Command Lines(RNA) and Software(DNA). . .and look at what's talked about; 'designer babies' and a mRNA Vaccine that's a bigger crap shoot than getting the disease.

I read a brief article written by a practicing nurse, probably based on her observations/anecdotal evidence. Those who chose the mRNA route essentially are finding that when they are exposed to Covid, it is as if they have never been exposed to it before, precisely because they haven't. These mRNA vaccines are supposed to cause your body's cells to manufacture something akin to Covid, but the fact remains, it still ain't Covid.

If we could get an honest assessment of the data, which is not being diligently collected in the first place, I would not be surprised to hear that many of the "breakthrough" cases are from those experimental vaccines vs the traditional ones.

Oh, I definitely believe in a grand designer :)

It's kinda like the whole climate change debaucle... regardless of your worldview, Earth's been through quite a bit of stuff, and can still heal itself. If you're a creationist, you possibly believe Earth's been around for about 6K (more or less) years and has God taking care of it, even through a worldwide flood. If you're an evolutionist, you possibly believe Earth's been around at least millions of years, which is more than enough time for wear and tear.

We can obviously always do better to take good care of the earth, but I'm not about to bend over backwards for what's supposed to happen naturally.

Also, has anyone else either gotten Covid or gotten what was probably Covid and not really gotten sick since?

While I am a Creationist(literal Genesis 6 day creation), I won't guess at the Earth's age. For one thing the numbers Young Earth and Evolutionists give seem more about 'pride' or 'spiting the other side' than actual math and science. Also the planet has been through a lot of abuse. It's like looking at a hardcore drug addict that looks fifty but is only thirty-something. Regardless of what a person believes, God or Evolution, the abuse the planet has went through is extreme.

I had Covid back in February 2020, before we really knew what was going on. Mask mandates didn't show up for another 2 months in most states.

My job as a Route Sales Rep has me in retail stores working among the public, which was something to behold when the "pandemic lockdown panic buying" took off. I have not had it since, and I have had colds that were much worse.

I was tested for antibodies at least a year later, at my request during my annual check-up. Not surprisingly, none were found. T-cell response is what I am counting on.

For the record, I have been taking at least 5000iu of Vitamin D for at least 5 years prior- there seems to be some connection with VitD and fighting this thing off.

Seems to makes sense about the Vitamin D thing. If you'd asked me about 20 years ago, I probably would've been able to tell you everything about it! 😂😂😂

I already knew my immune system could the coronavirus, I just wanted to gjve it better ammo to use in killing it by getting the vaccine anyway. It’s the least I can do when the little guys are fighting without breaks to keep me alive after all.

So long as you chose the traditional vaccine vs the experimental mRNA ones, I suppose there is no harm in doing so. Evidence is allegedly beginning to accumulate that indicates these mRNA vaccines might hamper a person's immune system instead of bolstering it.

Not surprisingly, no one knows for sure because there is *no* long term data available.

You never heard of old Earth creationists? They believe that earth is millions of years old too.

"You never heard of old Earth creationists? They believe that earth is millions of years old too."

I have indeed heard of them, though I am hard pressed to figure out how this topic came up lol.

Obviously, one side is wrong. I take the side of being an "Old Earth Creationist" myself, given that I believe that the Earth is around 6,000 years old. I am obviously being facetious, since that is not how the debate is normally framed, but 6,000 years is very old to creatures that currently have a life span of only around 70-90 years.

I am convinced by all of the things in evidence that simply cannot exist in a universe that is billions of years old, and many secular scientists indirectly confirm this. For instance, with what we currently know about celestial mechanics, were the galaxies billions of years old, they should have 'spun' themselves into general mush by now vs the well defined spirals we still see. Secular scientists know this, so they dreamed up a substance that no one has ever seen, though they say it is more abundant than the matter we can see- dark matter. It is supposed to be everywhere, but the ONLY place you will find it is in their mathematical equations. They tune their equations based on a priori assumptions, and end up with the answer they want to get.

Then there are recent discoveries, like that of Saturn's rings. Before they crashed the Cassini probe, they learned that Saturn's rings are 'raining' down onto Saturn. At the rate they observed, Saturn's rings should be gone in around 250,000 years. The claim that Saturn and its rings have been around for much longer than that begins to look impossible.

The Hubble Telescope was focused on a section of space that looked to be generally empty, but instead they brought into view billions of galaxies. We are allegedly seeing light that took nearly 14 billion years to get to Earth. This is like looking back in time, a sort of time travel, if you will. If the universe only started 14b years ago, we should not see anything, or only see a lot of chaotic matter that had not yet cooled and coalesced into galaxies. Hmmmmm.

And so on and so forth.

That’s true enough, I suppose. I mean even the smartest scientist can’t accurately gauge how old the Earth actually is after all, right?

"I mean even the smartest scientist can’t accurately gauge how old the Earth actually is after all, right?"

But many will either imply they can, or outright lie that they have, and this in spite of the numerous times that they have had to change their "concrete truths" about the age of the universe. Liberals especially buy into this and regurgitate such nonsense as fact- I have run into this on this site many times.
It is always amusing when "scientists" have to change their assumed dating of the universe because of some new discovery, which has left them with contradictions, such as the matter in the universe being older than the universe itself. Then they change the numbers in their equations to make everything line up again, but without any proof as to which side of those equations is correct before changing them.

They do this with radiocarbon dating too, so when you see them tout "proof" of the age of *anything*, view it with a skeptical eye. There are so many assumptions they make before they even *start* to date an object that there is no way they can state with such surety that they know how old anything is. But they do it nonetheless, because at the heart of most of them is someone who is trying to avoid their conscience by denying that God exists.

As Ken Ham has rightly pointed out- why believe scientists about the age of the universe when they were not there at the beginning, when we have an account from the Person Who *was* there? Of course, then the liberal whines about how the Bible is not the Word of God, but was written by men, yada-yada-yada, ad nauseam. SO much can be shown to prove that it is indeed divine in authorship, but hard hearts will not yield to the obvious.

God used men (re: Prophets, and the apostles of Christ) to write the Bible so it is the Word of God.

Your comment deserves more than just an up-vote!

Not enough Christians on imgflip, save for a handful like you or me unfortunately. :(

You science denier you! The immune system is a myth made up by antivaxxer Trumpies!

This better be sarcasm

There we are
yeah, saw your comment, was gonna say, I made it pretty clear.... but then again, it gets harder to tell these days

Yeah I deleted my first comment when I realized you may have been joking. Glad to get confirmation though, so thanks for that.

right... if the immune system could do its job, then was it the vaccines that caused millions to die?

No, it was a disease. The immune system does do its job, which is why only millions are dead. Just about any disease spreading this quickly would have put most of us out of our misery. Millions are big until you realize there are 7.8 billion individuals on this earth, give or take, and there are billions who have had the disease.

Yea is ok! Only millions of people will die... so we will just let them. Vaccines save lives, and we owe the vaccines to Trump (:

The vaccines ain't saving anybody. Nobody said COVID doesn't kill, or at least nobody properly informed. The Black Plague killed 1/3 of Europe, but left alone, it dissipated. Because one of the most deadly diseases in history went away like that due to the strength of the human immune system. That means this one can too.

It can, but after killing 1/3 of f**king Europe? ffs

Your argument is that the immune system isn't able to do its job. mine is that it can.

1. That is a bogus number, inflated by a profession that made/is still making A LOT OF MONEY by calling every sniffle and cough Covid-19.
2. You reference the first year, where the stats were even more dishonest, as they did not even have a test. Most of the Covid cases were decided based on symptoms, 80%+ of which are shared by any number of other diseases, diseases which also often lead to the deaths of those who are compromised by their existing co-morbidities.
3. 99.8% of the population's immune systems did in fact prove to be enough, among which I count myself. Perhaps it was the high amounts of Vitamin D I have been taking for years, and/or it could be that I include L-Lysine in my daily regimen, or that my job is a fairly active one that is keeping me in shape, or any combination of the above.

You act like the vast majority of people have essentially had no major downfall from Covid, even if we were to accept your bogus number.

And shame on you for being so intentionally gullible, wanting so badly for your fear porn to be true, and for Big Daddy Government to be the savior you so desperately need. How ANYONE can trust those numbers when they come from the very organizations that have flipped and flopped on every issue surrounding this, and this in spite of hundreds of years of accumulated science that should have informed them better. Such as flipping on mask wearing, which could never, EVER have done anything to prevent the spread of this virus. 50+ years of science, clinical studies, and simple observational evidence told us this, but YOU are willing to believe that all of that was somehow overturned overnight?

1. Prove it.

2. They had a test. They adjusted the numbers for the most conservative estimate once errors were found. The accuracy of those numbers continue well into the second year where vaccines are relevant and the virus does more than attack just the elderly and those with compromised immune systems.

3. Autopsies resumed as early as May in the United States, leaving little room for speculation on inflated numbers. There were four common co-morbidities for those who died from covid. which were obesity, diabetes, hypertension, and kidney disease.

https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/study-identifies-four-main-comorbidities-associate

However, most of these co-morbidities are also associated with people who die from heart disease as well. Which is still more deadly than cancer and covid. Yet, we don’t talk about these co-morbidities inflating heart disease numbers because no one is trying to her you to vaccinate for heart disease or lock down. Basically because covid is preventable with just two shots while heart disease usually only preventable by an entire lifestyle choice. Not to mention, heart disease isn’t contagious.

Your emotional ranting is nothing more than a rather desperate attempt to render my fact-based argument irrelevant. However, this pandemic has been hard on all of us. Certainly harder for more than others, so I’ll forgive your emotional outburst and attempt to remain constructive in this conversation. I hope you can try to do the same.

“How ANYONE can trust those numbers”

Because the CDC isn’t the only one keeping records. Numerous medical universities are monitoring the data. Not to mention that the CDC is only a US-based medical agency. There are agencies around the world, in several countries studying this disease so I’m skeptical of your claims that every medical agency is inflating these numbers. Not to mention that numerous data backs up an uptick rise of deaths that match the pandemic’s numbers. Inconsistencies are to be expected within an acceptable parameters but nothing has been exposed beyond minor inconsistencies.

The mask issue has been addressed. Numerous times. Anyone who does their own research can conclude that not only are masks effective but so are vaccines. If they’re not just hand waving sources that do not conform to their personal confirmation bias. A common mistake in science that is easily disproven with a plethora of data.

So many words, and yet so very wrong. Why are you so willing to believe the lies that have been told to you?

That’s not really a question. Sorry but I like talking about data and information. Anecdotal info is great but show me some statistics and links will go a longer way to getting a constructive response.

"That’s not really a question. Sorry but I like talking about data and information. Anecdotal info is great but show me some statistics and links will go a longer way to getting a constructive response."

Debating with liberals is an incredible time sink, that never leads to anything useful. You said nothing in reality to undermine my original points, but I will point this out- for you to think that somehow recent events have overturned decades of data and observations concerning mask wearing is amusing. The best part is that such direction and information came from the very sources you think support your current claims. Essentially, we have the same people refuting themselves, yet you are content to continue to place your faith in "the experts".

Surely you have seen the infamous March 2020 interview with "Dr." Fauxci, where he literally mocks the idea of the public wearing masks? And you surely are not stupid enough to believe he did so only to protect the supply of masks for medical personnel? No, he was simply reiterating what the medical and scientific communities had already known for decades. Either your "experts" have been incompetent for decades, or they had enough data to conclude such a thing. Either way, turning to them to refute this long standing maxim using them to do so is absurd.

There really is no debating with someone who is so intentionally blind. You are incapable of providing a "constructive response" as a result. You are impressed with your intellect- I am not because your worldview is evidence of a terrible bias. Attempting to refute that, ironically, will prove to be self-refuting.

See the latest VAERS report

More than 380 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through September 13, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 7,653 reports of death (0.0020%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine.

FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

So, the vaccine kills 1 person for ever 2 we save is out the window. And the actual number of people who died from covid vaccines is at least less than 7,653. So, how many of those are a direct cause from the vaccines?

Well, the link above answers this question.

A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (or TTS) a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.

TTS after Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen (J&J/Janssen) COVID-19 vaccination is rare. CDC and FDA identified 46 confirmed reports of people who got the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and later developed TTS. Women younger than 50 years old especially should be aware of the rare but increased risk of this adverse event. There are other COVID-19 vaccine options available for which this risk has not been seen. Learn more about J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS.

To date, two confirmed cases of TTS following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Moderna) have been reported to VAERS after more than 362 million doses of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines administered in the United States. Based on available data, there is not an increased risk for TTS after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination.

So, 48 people have been exposed to TTS, which can be deadly. How many of the 48 have died?

https://covid-101.org/science/how-many-people-have-died-from-the-vaccine-in-the-u-s/

3.

3 have been confirmed.

Now, I'll admit, July 23 was almost two months ago. Could that number be higher now?

SURE.

Show me an updated count of people who died from TTS who were vaccinated.

I'll wait.

The population of the United States of America is only 330,396,668 as of 2021, so where did you get the other 49,603,332 people from?

Where did I say 380 million people?

I said 380 million doses, not people. There is a distinct difference.

373 million of those doses came from the two-dose vaccines.

As of 6 a.m. EDT Sept. 19, a total of 181,382,976 Americans had been fully vaccinated.

Coincidentally, the percentage of people dying from COVID overall is approximately equivalent to the number of vaccinated individuals dying... Seems a bit like it's changing nothing.

But are they dying from covid?

Yes. It would be pretty strange if both vaxxed and unvaxxed populations were dying in the same amounts from underlying conditions.

Prove it.

Literally just chance. What would be the odds that the same numbers of people, vaxxed and unvaxxed, died of underlying conditions?

https://openvaers.com/covid-data/mortality

VAERS CDC Disclaimer

Source: VAERS.HHS.GOV

VAERS accepts reports of adverse events and reactions that occur following vaccination. Healthcare providers, vaccine manufacturers, and the public can submit reports to the system. While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. In large part, reports to VAERS are voluntary, which means they are subject to biases. This creates specific limitations on how the data can be used scientifically. Data from VAERS reports should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind.

The strengths of VAERS are that it is national in scope and can quickly provide an early warning of a safety problem with a vaccine. As part of CDC and FDA’s multi-system approach to post-licensure vaccine safety monitoring, VAERS is designed to rapidly detect unusual or unexpected patterns of adverse events, also known as “safety signals.” If a safety signal is found in VAERS, further studies can be done in safety systems such as the CDC’s Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) or the Clinical Immunization Safety Assessment (CISA) project. These systems do not have the same scientific limitations as VAERS, and can better assess health risks and possible connections between adverse events and a vaccine.

Vaccine providers are encouraged to report any clinically significant health problem following vaccination to VAERS, whether or not they believe the vaccine was the cause.
Reports may include incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental and unverified information.
The number of reports alone cannot be interpreted or used to reach conclusions about the existence, severity, frequency, or rates of problems associated with vaccines.
VAERS data is limited to vaccine adverse event reports received between 1990 and the most recent date for which data are available.
VAERS data do not represent all known safety information for a vaccine and should be interpreted in the context of other scientific information.

VAERS data available to the public include only the initial report data to VAERS. Updated data which contains data from medical records and corrections reported during follow up are used by the government for analysis. However, for numerous reasons

380 million? But the population is only 332. million according to CD Population Clock. https://www.census.gov/popclock/

Show me where I said 380 million people.

Here you go

I was unaware that doses were people.

My mistake.

You said 380 shots. That means 380 million got it. So again, where did the extra people come from?

From your misunderstanding.

As of 6 a.m. EDT Sept. 19, a total of 181,382,976 Americans had been fully vaccinated, or 54.6 percent of the country's population, according to the CDC's data.

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-percentage-of-population-vaccinated-march-15.html#:~:text=As%20of%206%20a.m.%20EDT,19%2C%20according%20to%20the%20CDC.

I was hoping I wouldn't have to remind you that most of these vaccines require two doses. Like I said, I never said 380 million people. Johnson and Johnson is the only vaccine that requires one dose and they've only administered about 7 million doses in the US.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/13/us/politics/johnson-johnson-vaccine-blood-clots-fda-cdc.html

That means 373 million doses from the two-dose vaccines... or about 193.5 million should be fully vaccinated.

Want to know why it's only 181.4 people? Where did the 12 million doses go?

No, it's not immigrants but good thinking, if you did. Some people may have started on one vaccine variant and switched to another; requiring them to start over on their two shots. Some people got their second shot outside the window of when they were suppose to take it and wound up taking a third shot.

I hope this clears things up.

Any additional questions?

Many people have also taken third shots on purpose

Yes, unfortunately.

The vaccine starts to be less effective after a while so the people who are more sensitive should get a third shot

That hasn’t been verified yet if the vaccine becomes less effective. But preliminary data does seem to be leaning that way.