So Much for American Exceptionalism; You Don't Even Need to Read or Write!

Many confederates during the civil war were not fighting for slavery, they were fighting to obtain their own government and to keep their lands. Slavery is wrong, but that’s probably the least popular reason to fight during the war. The few people that still do fly the confederate flag fly it to show they are a conservative. It’s just a statement.

They felt the federal government was getting way too nosy with issues that are supposed to be left to a state. The 10th Amendment reads, "Any power(federal government level) not in the Constitution goes to the States.

such as what? taxation of goods produced by slaves?

Because the north wasnt letting them secede. They wanted to form their own government, right? Which is the whole reason the war started.

why did they want to secede?

Because it has absolutely NOTHING to do with racism, now matter how bad your ilk wish that were so!!!! SMH

so why did the south secede?

Because the confederate flag isn't a symbol of racism. It's a symbol of state independence from the federal government.

wasn't the confederacy a separate country?

No, it was a loose group of states that had a treaty to trade and help each other when in need. Think European union.

so they never seceded?

No.

evidence?

This is frikkin hilarious, taking revisionism to heights never plumbed before. "The secessionist Confederate States never seceded."
Darned Civil War was just one big OOPSIE DAISY!

conservative hypocrisy knows no bounds :)

I keep wishing all this Science Fictioning was trolling, because it would be awesomely funny if it was.

conservatards called it the trump vax in 2020. now they call it the biden vax because he lost :)

Credit for success goes to the Donny, any blame for mishaps go to Biden because buttsores linger with the cult.

conservatards are antivaxxers because to them, science IS fiction :)

Except when it comes to potential side effects of the - as they wanted to call it - Trump Vaccine. Then suddenly they're whipping out their Pharmaceutical PhDs.

can't have your cake and eat it too. either trump's vax is dangerous or it's not.

As if that would stop them from slathering on the icing and hiding some extra slices under the bed for a rainy day - which has been everyday since 2016 for Cult45! They've been crying so much, it makes the Ms America winner look positively stoic and somewhat dehydrated a lot in comparison.

No, it was more like tyrannical oppression from an industrialized nation on an agricultural group of states it wanted to bleed more money from.

The Southern states that wanted separation from the Union were no longer being represented by that union's centralized government, so they decided to go it alone, and trade with other nations without the financial penalties the federal US government wanted to impose on them.

Why do you think the federal aggressors blocked the main harbours of export from Southern states, to nations like England and France, who wanted to purchase the raw materials produced in those states, at a price agreed upon by both parties?

The War of Northern Aggression had much more to do with the greed of the industrialized North in obtaining raw materials at the prices they deemed acceptable from the Southern states who produced them, rather then any kind of noble endeavor of freeing any slaves!!!

blah blah blah... Same deal as today, it was a conflict over doling out Federal funding - the majority of which, like now, came from the centers of manufacture and trade. Keep adding states with slavery, and the balance is upset and they get to vote themselves their unfair share of the pot plucked out of the pockets of those who made it.

unfair taxation over materials produced by slaves?

But they were take care of!

Ok, not really funny, considering the ailments they suffered just from malnutrition - half the infants dying in their first year. Then everything that went with it...

3 hots and a cot AND jesus :)

Those ultra profitable bales of cotton and crates of tobacco tho...

grown by slaves, not overpaid whites.

I already answered that for you

taxation of goods made by slaves.

The reason the confederate flag wavers left the Democrat party is because the Democrat party changed. We’ve had this conversation before and you couldn’t even articulate an objection to my comment, so why are you still asking the same question I’ve already answered?

and then the racist conservative dixiecrats returned to the republican party during the 1960s civil rights movement the dems started.

Nope, southerners didn’t really start voting Republican in great numbers until the 80’s when Democrats became pro abortion.
The civil rights movement wasn’t exactly started by Democrats, they were really just piggybacking off the supreme court decision in 1954 (supported and enforced by Dwight Eisenhower, a Republican), the civil rights acts of 1957 (proposed by Herbet Brownell and signed by Dwight Eisenhower, both Republicans), and the civil rights act of 1960 (Proposed and signed by Eisenhower.)
Even in the civil rights act of 1964, more Republicans as a percentage supported it than Democrats.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/12/17/fact-check-more-republicans-voted-for-the-civil-rights-act-as-a-percentage-than-democrats-did/

so you're admitting that trumps promises to do things in his FIRST term were a lie? he never said he needed 2 terms to get it all done.

Not what I’m saying at all. Quick question were you trained by Cathy Newman?

nope, trump university.

the migration started in the 60s. either way, you just admitted the racists moved to the republican party. check mate.

if you're saying we should dump the american system and be like sweden, i agree with you! :)

Prepare the no go zones for the grenade attacks!

You’re clearly barely reading anything I say.

both parties are full of shit, everybody's a little conservative and liberal, but most people never think of themselves this way and don't study issues deeper than a few single issues.

welfare benefited many whites too, it wasn't just to keep them voting democrat, there needed to be better safety nets, like sweden offers.

sweden, the country conservatards love to point to for reasons america should antivax, antimask, not lock down, etc. a capitalist country with SOCIALIST programs like time off, medical, child care, etc.

So you do admit that LBJ’s welfare programs were destructive to black Americans and simply bought their vote. Checkmate.

platinum plan? is that part of trump-care?

Ooh you’d like the platinum plan. Get this: it’s a social program Trump wanted to put in place to boost black employment and business creation. Since it’s a social program it must be good thus Trump must be good so you can’t talk any shit about it. Check and mate

you said about trump "He wasn’t reelected" are you calling the stolen election a lie?

Yes

because party politics, history and ideology aside, people vote for people, not JUST parties.

That’s true, but once again you still cannot muster up a reply to my questions. I hope you’ve learned something today and don’t just keep recycling the same talking points.

1. carter was an answer to nixon.
2. voters also migrated around the country, changing demographics.
3. by then the migration north had settled
4. because they THOUGHT they had nothing to lose

2&3 Yes there were carpetbaggers and scalawags. But they were both of a minority. Carpetbaggers were only among wealthy businessmen from the north, and scalawags were political minorities being supporters of the north’s cause. That’s why both were given derogatory names, because they were minorities. It’s highly unrealistic to think they switched location on nearly a large enough scale to totally flip the red and blue areas, especially since the red and blue didn’t really flip in POTUS elections for another 100+ years.

4 Can you elaborate on what exactly they thought they were going to lose in an election which is exactly the time to get the big bad racist orange man OUT of office?
The fact of the matter is that after slashing welfare plans made by LBJ to keep black people down, under Trump black and hispanic unemployment reached its lowest on record, and black income reached its highest ever. As it turns out, hard work is far more effective at raising your standard of living than relying on a government teat. Democrats are positively furious that Trump’s economic policies have been so beneficial, which is why they kicked the disinformation campaign into overdrive with one after the other of hoax racist quotes from Trump. As it turns out, mainstream conservatism is NOT full of racists, certainly not any more than the racism in the Democrat party. More minority voters have caught on that leftists are full of sh*t on this, THAT is why there’s more voting conservative again.

1. But if by then the south had become Republican as you claim, it’s very strange that they would be so offended by Nixon illegally looking for dirt on Democrats. After all, they stopped being Democrats over a decade prior according to you

i did answer your question. parties change, people switch, etc. you proved it. doesn't make republicans less racist today.

No you didn’t, you just made a statement so vague it can’t be wrong but also doesn’t get specific enough to actually respond. And there were multiple questions.

blacks gave trump a shot, all he gave them in return was "lowest black unemployment since slavery" riding obamas economic wave from bush's recession. tides go in, tides go out - trump only gave market signals we wouldn't regulate. that's the only reason wall street went up. now it's down.

I see you conveniently ignored highest income and his platinum plan

social programs make sweden work very well. check mate.

Sweden started working well when they stopped being socialist and deregulated themselves. They do still have a lot more social programs than the US which is something economists can debate but the debate with Sanders and AOC who claim full on socialism is best is totally over.

Btw Sweden as a far less regulated education system than the US and thus has a top 10 education system worldwide. Checkmate

mainstream republicans lost control of the party of qanon/trump. look at the base. no wonder conservatives turned on him and voted for biden.

Conservatives turned on him for Biden? Got any data?

so what stopped him?

He wasn’t reelected

ah yes, poor trump couldn't accomplish any of his promises because he was busy fighting off impeachment. poor victim.

On the contrary, Trump was very un politician like being one of very few to consistently follow through with his promises, which is another one of the things that attracted more POC to vote for him in 2020. They saw he means what he plans, so when they saw the platinum plan set for his 2nd term he gained support.

people (black and white) were migrating from north to south a lot in the 60s-90s to either run away from empowered blacks, racist whites, for jobs, warmer weather, cooler weather, etc. you keep trying to prove republicans aren't the party of racists, but the demographic shifts and political switching prove otherwise.

Racists exist in both parties. I can refer you to Biden himself, Sheldon Whitehouse, radical BLM supprters, or the hundreds of thousands of antisemite Democrats. But the fact of the matter is judging an entire party based of the few extremists does nothing. Mainstream Republicans are not dedicated to advancing racism as you claim.

i'm reading what you're saying, i'm just disagreeing with it because the facts prove you wrong.

Because not everyone is perfect

Except for the ones that have ancestors who fought for the Confederacy. Those folks have a fighting spirit that cannot be denied!!!

Yup, a fighting spirit of which it cannot be denied that it lost them the war!!!

Fighting spirit only counts for so much when you are heavily outnumbered and out resourced. No doubt the rebels were excellent fighters and marksmen.

Perhaps we can set up a GoFundMe so we can buy them some consolation prizes...

Doesn't change the fact they were proficient fighters, even if you don't like their ideology.

I'm only busting chops.

Not in support of slavery, obviously, but self determination is what the States are supposed to be about. The Federal Goverment is supposed to protect that, not impose its will on them.

SIGH...haters gonna hate!!! SMHID

Traitors gonna lose..... hahaha, SUCKERS!!!

ROLF SMHID IS IN DA HOUSE, Y'ALL!

I reckon he's proud of his 'Demokkkrat' heritage, as our esteemed colleagues would put it.
SAVE MUH STATUES REMINDING MEH OF DEMONCRAT EVIL!!!

Yet you're the one committing the Faulty Generalization fallacy.

then why are red state high school dropout rates, welfare and prison rates so high? majority white.

Why does 13% of the population commit over 50% of the murders every year?

ask the drug war that let limaugh off with a slap on the wrist.

How very racist of you. Give me one good reason I shouldn't mute you now.

why? were you trying to blame blacks?

Again with the focus on race. I never once even brought up the issue of what is to blame for the disparity. It is incredibly complex because it spans multiple sectors of society, and I admit, given your general inability to properly stick to facts around here, I don't think trying to explain it to you is worth my time.

But sure, keep on blaming the whites. Or accuse others of blaming the blacks. If you make everything about race then everyone looks like a racist.

education system needs a reboot, eliminating standardized tests is all this does. there are other ways to evaluate proficiency.

Given your utter failure to properly debate me within the rules of facts and logic in a different comment thread I'm not sure you're qualified to talk about what education needs.

is there a reason to over rely on standardized tests?

If you can't pass a standardized test on a subject after studying that subject then the fault lies either with the teacher or the student's work ethic. It's that simple.

i thought you would agree that party unity is important. and defending capitalism and it's impacts on medical care is of the essence too.

I don't care about political parties. I vote for whomever aligns more closely with my beliefs.

are standardlized tests the ONLY or BEST way to determine proficiency?

If they were the only way we'd not be having this mind-numbing conversation. If they were the best way we'd not be having this mind-numbing conversation.

health care IS cheap in the REST of the world, unlike the pure profit system in america.

Our system sucks because we protect businesses from competition. If they actually had to compete for customers then we'd have the cheapest and most effective system in the world.

Right now it's a corporate wet dream. That's not capitalism. It's oligopoly.

your comments about ologopoly are heresy against the GOP.

Irrelevant. I'm talking about what's wrong with American healthcare. If you want to whine about the GOP to your PoliticsTOO chums they'll be happy to oblige. I'm not.

drug war IS racist. ask mister limbaugh who served no time.

Drug war? When did we reframe our conversation to just the drug war or the ruling of a judge over one man? You were supposed to explain why all three problems you initially cited were caused by the states being majority white.

Or rather, you're supposed to explain why racism isn't the answer, because I know for a fact it is not.

the highly incarcerated are largely related to drug crimes of use, selling or crimes to get money to buy (addiction). instead of treating drugs as a health issue, not a crime, we fill prisons, not hospitals. would be cheaper to legalize and spend the prison savings on rehab.

Sure, because healthcare is so cheap right now. Sounds like a great plan. You're a genius. My gosh. Why didn't I think of that??????????

AIDS Alley, with higher divorce rates, unemployment, and drug addiction, not to mention Roofied bar drinks because fellas with nothing but meth to offer need luvin too?

limbaugh country :)

Home of the depraved.

Who was the first slave owner?

"You can do want you want but eat that fruit"

A true tyrant

And then there was one.

OUCH! You know when Max drives through a bunch on that bridge, see that one who falls to the street but then the bike clobbers him upside his whole back and head, like THUNK!?
Damn.

A few stuntmen got hurt pretty bad. That one included, I believe.

Bubba Zanetti rules

HE KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING!

Famous last words.

One of the best

Yaya for God swinging those Godballs.

Which meme?

You make the shots, you call the shots. V's meme.

Why am I searching for a meme on this stream that's mine that I can't find?

It hurts just looking at it. A lot. And it's totally real.
Poor dude is probably in a neck to back brace now.

Ruling the world, nay, creation, smoting and killing babies and cities turned to pillars of salt and that flood thingy,,, a jealous and wrathful God - oh, wait, the Hippies said he's love, so, never mind...

Love doesn't mean being a pussy, as the meme illustrates.

I thought "God" didn't exist, so how could he have owned slaves???

ROLF SMH, can't get anything by you Atheists!