Change My Mind

Oh and no using personal experiences as evidence or god gap arguments

Yeah

Of course God (the Judeo-Christian god) and all other gods throughout history is real to those that believe.

What you need to prove is what is "real". Some of us think that we're all just living inside a nice simulation, a la "The Matrix".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shyI-aQaXD0

Watch that video and all the ones after it and i hope to see you doing some serious car cleaning.

Watched the video. Doesnt provide sufficient evidence

Ok if you watched it then tell me some of his points.

The goal isnt for me to summarize it for you. The goal is for you to provide sufficient evidence that there is a god

Tell it or you didn't watch the video.

How lazy of you

I did. Im not about to waste my time summarizing something for you.

But if you dont think i watched the video then why dont you just ask God if I did.

God can't tell us if someone else did something or not. Even just say ONE major point of the video and i will be satisfied.

Yeah, maybe he cant say if someone did something or not because

Hes. Not. Real

Fine. 1 point is that the video was TWO HOURS LONG

Imagine not watching it. You don't even want to hear evidence. What a liar! You won't even cut through parts of the video too!

well i know its a shocker, but i am not 2 people. Learn to count one day, maybe?

Um... No-one said that you were 2 people lol

Learn how to read one day, maybe?

You can't just ask God a question and expect him to answer it. It has to be something important, of asking him to give you knowledge and wisdom. And apparently you have not asked him to give you wisdom.

You can't prove that God exists, but there is strong evidence. The Strongest evidence is that the Bible can make sense of the laws of logic and morality, while naturalism can't.

Morality and logic are abstract. the Big Bang only accounts for the physical world. Where do you think the laws of logic and morality came from?

"The Bible says literally nothing about the laws of logic, and the rules in the Bible are one particular set of rules. Does that mean they are rules that everybody should follow?"

It doesn't say anything that I know of, but my point is a naturalistic worldview can't explain abstracts like logic and morals. And the rules in the Bible are for morals so yes everyone should follow them.

"Criticizing the Big Bang for not explaining morality and logic is like criticizing oceanography for not explaining the formation of stars and planets. It's a completely different field of study."

I just used the Big Bang as an example, but the point still stands that naturalism can't explain logic and morality. Where do you think the laws of logic and morality came from?

"If the Bible explains morality so well, do you think all the rules in the Bible are rules we should follow today?"

They are the rules for morality so yes.

Plus, the Big Bang breaks scientific laws. The first law of thermodynamics says matter and energy can't be created or destroyed. They can only be converted.

"The Big Bang doesn't break any scientific laws. The Big Bang theory doesn't say that matter or energy were created. It says they were condensed into a singularity which rapidly expanded. They already existed."

But where did the singularity come from? If matter and energy can't be created, where did it come from? Also, what about my question for where the laws of logic and morality come from?

They’re using the god of the gaps = if I don’t understand something or if someone cannot explained to MY personal satisfaction, it must be evidence of god. Sad little argument really, but they ALL are sad little arguments from sad little minds focused on the sky daddy.

"Since matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed, and they exist right now, the logical conclusion is that they have always existed. Do we know for a fact that they have always existed? No, but that's the best explanation we have right now."

Matter and energy can't always exist. The law of entropy says usable energy decreases over time. So if matter and energy always existed, the universe would be in heat death by now.

"I haven't forgotten about your other question. I haven't replied to it yet because that reply will take longer and work is keeping me busy."

Ah. Understandable.

It was built up over time by humans who said "Hey, maybe we shouldn't murder each other, rape, steal, etc."

The explanation for morality is that it is a socially evolved construct.

Creation needs a Creator