Jim Halpert Explains

The logic behind masks is that everybody wears them to ensure nobody spreads viral droplets to one another.

You do realize that a virus is the size of 1/1000 the width of a human hair. No mask except a mask made of porcelain (which would suffocate you) will stop it. Saying a mask can stop a virus is like saying a mosquito can't get through a chain link fence.

On one hand, we have this fun analogy. In the other, we have actual studies done on whether masks are effective.

Now, I’ll grant they aren’t perfect and you could call the gains negligible, but with an infection that spreads and where every person infected potentially creates more, even a modest reduction in spread can make a difference.

This user is a "Karen" and better than the rest of us . We should wear masks so they don't have to .

I don't want or need you to wear a mask. If you look at the numbers and decide that your freedom outweighs the risk to others, then that is what it is.

Have the courage of your convictions: masks might or might not help and you are willing to put your freedom over the potential loss of life.

People do it every day. They drive over the speed limit, smoke in the car with their kids, get an abortion, etc.

But some people don't like being judged by the same measure they judge other's and need to make it about something else.

Dude, trust me, me not wearing a mask will not result in loss of life. To quote the March 2020 version of the exalted one, Dr. Fauci, "The mask does nothing except make the wearer feel secure."

"Those who would sacrifice their freedom for temporary safety deserve neither freedom nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin

Dude, I don't trust you. I've read publications and weighted that against the anecdotal evidence on the other side. Wearing a mask doesn't cost me anything.

In March Fauci said there was no reason for healthy people to wear a mask and it might give then a false sense of security since they aren't perfect protection. That changed as we learned more.

That was before or was declared a pandemic and before we know how much of the spread was from presymptomatic people.

So he said healthy people shouldn't wear a mask. Then we found out a lot of the people spreading it didn't know they were sick.

If I'm looking at the wrong quote, please direct me to the correct one.

It's pretty funny how Fauci has done a complete 180 on nearly everything he's said every other month. Fauci is (more like WAS) a smart guy. He wouldn't say that masks are useless in a televised interview unless he was sure. It wasn't until it was realized that this virus could be used to control the masses and create fear-mongering, that Fauci had to change his view.

He said that the reason he said not to wear masks was because he didn't want people (the common folk, the sheep) to make a run on masks, because he wanted to make sure that all the doctors and nurses got masks first. Yeah, that's right. According to Fauci, we common folk needed to be prevented from getting them until the "right" people got them. If masks work, why would he say that? That's pretty cruel. But masks don't work and Fauci had to say this so that people would think they did and wear them like frightened sheep.

The point is that the mask does nothing to prevent the spread of the virus. If you want to wear the mask, fine, but people that don't want to shouldn't have to. That's all I'm saying.

You are trying to justify something you want to be true. Taking Faucis statements in context reveals no conspiracy or hypocrisy.

Now lack of evidence isn't evidence itself, so... Believe what you want. But the out of context quotes are lazy

I fail to see how the quotes are out of context. But whatever man. We both know neither of us is going to change the other's opinion or belief, so you believe what you want, and I'll believe what I want. Cool.

I will change my mind if presented with facts. For instance COVID most likey came from the Wuhan lab. Previously I was at "probably not".

Fauci was always wordy and explained his logic. It makes it easier to determine his intent.

They’re out of context because Fauci changed his mind. It would be like insisting the world was flat because philosophers originally said so.

According to Fauci, we common folk needed to be prevented from getting them until the "right" people got them

A doctor who is working around sick patients all day definitely needs the mask more than someone who might not even encounter someone with covid

But if the masks work and people got them, there wouldn't be people in the hospital in the first place, or for sure less people.

That’s true
Fauci and the CDC have been bending facts to try and get people to do this and that. It isn’t working and they need to stop doing it. They are doing it now with the vaccinated people don’t have to wear masks, they are trying to use it to make vaccines more enticing.
People can lie about being vaccinated
Science should be open and displayed as facts, what the CDC has been doing is wrong

You are a liar. All the research shows masks are wholly ineffective against viruses and that they have a host of detrimental effects on wearers.

I may be wrong, but I'm not a liar.

I'll show you mine if you show me yours:
https://www.epa.gov/sciencematters/epa-researchers-test-effectiveness-face-masks-disinfection-methods-against-covid-19

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landig/article/PIIS2589-7500(21)00003-0/fulltext

So, show me...

https://www.globalresearch.ca/are-face-masks-effective-evidence/5720209

https://www.aier.org/article/the-year-of-disguises/

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/megan-fox/2020/05/14/neurosurgeon-says-face-masks-pose-serious-risk-to-healthy-people-n392431

https://www.globalresearch.ca/covid-19-masks-crime-against-humanity-child-abuse/5726059

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/stanford-study-results-facemasks-ineffective-block-transmission-covid-19-actually-can-cause-health-deterioration-premature-death/

5 NIH/National Library of Medicine studies from 2004-2020 all finding verifiable health effects from wearing a face mask, including scientifically verified reduction is blood oxygen level:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29395560/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32590322/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15340662/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26579222/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31159777/

Cloth Mask Study

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4420971/

SOME of the mask studies on efficacy:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.01.20049528v1

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.30.20047217v2

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2749214

https://www.cmaj.ca/content/188/8/567

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5779801/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19216002/

https://aaqr.org/articles/aaqr-13-06-oa-0201.pdf

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4420971/

https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/65/11/1934/4068747

https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/bio/23/2/23_61/_pdf/-char/en

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01658736

https://www.journalofhospitalinfection.com/article/0195-6701(91)90148-2/pdf

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2493952/pdf/annrcse01509-0009.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20200717141836/https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data

https://www.nap.edu/catalog/25776/rapid-expert-consultation-on-the-effectiveness-of-fabric-masks-for-the-covid-19-pandemic-april-8-2020

https://www.nap.edu/read/25776/chapter/1#6

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article

https://academic.oup.com/annweh/article/54/7/789/202744

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6599448/

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00392-020-01704-y

.....

https://clinmedjournals.org/articles/jide/journal-of-infectious-diseases-and-epidemiology-jide-6-130.php?jid=jide

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1130147308702355

https://web.archive.org/web/20200509053953/https:/www.oralhealthgroup.com/features/face-masks-dont-work-revealing-review/

https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/masks-dont-work-covid-a-review-of-science-relevant-to-covide-19-social-policy

https://www.globalresearch.ca/open-letter-robert-redfield-director-center-disease-control-prevention/5725629

https://www.technocracy.news/association-of-american-physicians-and-surgeons-sounds-off-on-face-masks/

https://www.globalresearch.ca/medical-doctor-warns-bacterial-pneumonias-rise-mask-wearing/5725848

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8966883/Masks-DONT-stop-spread-Covid-experts-criticise-troubling-lack-evidence.html

Every country that introduced mandatory masks had their case numbers explode
https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=4WW92BMYO2SX

https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-comprehensive-analysis-of-50-states-shows-greater-spread-with-mask-mandates

Most Recent Mask Studies

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306987720333028

https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/

Others

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/scottmorefield/2021/06/15/a-group-of-parents-sent-their-kids-face-masks-to-a-lab-for-analysis-heres-what-they-found-n2591047

https://www.wired.com/story/the-teeny-tiny-scientific-screwup-that-helped-covid-kill/

http://www.cuzzblue.com/2021/05/large-scale-study-finds-that-masking.html?m=1

https://www.winterwatch.net/2020/10/del-bigtree-tests-air-quality-of-breathing-while-wearing-a-mask-on-a-child-proving-masks-are-toxic/

Wow...These are garbage.

globalresearch.ca - the overview is written by "Swiss Propaganda Research"...I'm just saying...suspicious name. The site itself doesn't look extremely credible ("Turkey’s “Secret Plan” (2014) to Invade Greece and Armenia?"), but we'll ignore that.

This one lists a lot of other sources and seems to misrepresent the findings:
http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/13523664, the doctor who did the study acknowledges that masks can prevent droplets and stop people from touching their mouths . The conclusion of the article says people should check that their masks fit tightly and that there are no gaps to leak...so, they didn't say don't wear masks.

Several of the source articles say that we don't know how effective masks are, not that they don't work.

https://www.aier.org/article/the-year-of-disguises/ - no studies, just a guy sharing his opinion.

https://pjmedia.com/ - this article has a correction at the beginning since the original publication.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/covid-19-masks-crime-against-humanity-child-abuse/5726059 - Again, no study, or research, just opinion. Oxygen deprivation? Really? So which is it? Are the masks not stopping tiny viruses and they are useless or are they depriving people of oxygen?

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com - the magazine that published the study has retracted it for being misleading - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8114149/
The Editorial Committee concluded that the author’s hypothesis is misleading on the following basis:

1. A broader review of existing scientific evidence clearly shows that approved masks with correct certification, and worn in compliance with guidelines, are an effective prevention of COVID-19 transmission.

2. The manuscript misquotes and selectively cites published papers. References #16, 17, 25 and 26 are all misquoted.

3. Table 1. Physiological and Psychological Effects of Wearing Facemask and Their Potential Health Consequences, generated by the author. All data in the table is unverified, and there are several speculative statements.

4. The author submitted that he is currently affiliated to Stanford University, and VA Palo Alto Health Care System. However, both institutions have confirmed that Dr Vainshelboim ended his connection with them in 2016.

But the way this meme is worded means that if we all wear masks so then you , the Chosen one , don't have to .

No, what it means is that anyone can wear a mask if they want to, but since they are "protected" people who don't want to shouldn't have to.

Totally believe in freedom of choice , but if you want to go to a store that requires them are you going to waste time arguing about it or just wear a stupid mask . It's like the old Mom joke "Chicken soup won't help , but it won't hurt" .

Actually, funnily enough, since the pandemic, not once have I gone into a store wearing a mask, whether they require one or not. And each time no one said anything to me. The few times I was asked to wear one, I just said I had a health exemption and they were fine with it.

It's people like you who are the reason some States are talking about vaccine passports. We can't do the honor system with people who have no honor our respect for others.

I survived Covid and am fully vaccinated ,but if a store I want to go to requires masks I wear one rather then wait 20 minutes to speak to the manager . Masks outdoors is dumb and I don't .

Outdoors I agree. Exceptions if I were in a tightly packed crowd, but I don't like those anyway.

I'm also vaccinated, but am continuing to wear a mask when I go places that require it. Wearing a mask doesn't bother me, so seeking an exception doesn't seem worth my time.

Public Transportation = MASK , I live in New York and we should all mask up on the Subway

Having been on a NYC Subway, I would say that was probably always a good idea.

Did you believe masks worked/helped before you got covid?

I caught Covid in an infected Hospital , so it didn't matter

But did you think masks helped before you got covid?

If you’re fully vaccinated then you don’t need a mask.

There are still establishments that require them , I don't want to argue about for 20 minutes .

That is fair.

Amen

Gosh no I didn't realize that little fact we've only heard ninety million times since the pandemic began.

You asked for the reasoning behind wearing masks. I gave it to you without any indication of my personal views on the matter.

That said, nobody with an understanding of the facts thinks masks protect you from airborne viruses. They physically can't. Their sole purpose since the beginning has been to arrest the droplets expelled while we speak, as they are laden with pathogens. In this regard masks are highly effective, with arrest rates near 100% in some types.

Sorry, masks are completely useless. You can try to convince yourself otherwise, but regardless you can't make me wear one and that's enough for me. Interestingly enough a study was done by two doctors in 2008 that found that cases of the Spanish flu were increased by the wearing of masks, because the droplets blocked by the mask remained and created bacteria breathed in by the wearer, resulting in disease, increased susceptibility to the Spanish flu, and contracting of the Spanish flu, resulting in numerous more deaths than would have occurred by not wearing masks.

I'm done wearing one, dude. Everyone around here who wanted the vax got one and therefore there's no reason to wear one. Nor am I trying to make you wear one. Again, you asked for the rationale behind masks and I am presenting it to you.

As far as the study is concerned, you could start by linking it. I'd enjoy reading it!

Cool. No problems, man. I would post the link but Google took the article down. Go figure.

Figures. Can't find it on DuckDuckGo or anything?

No, I can't find it anywhere. Should have screenshotted it when I had the chance.

Oof. Ah well, bound to happen I suppose.

Viruses travel in droplets of saliva.

They are predominantly airborne. Even in those with a flu and cold.

Viral droplets is obsolete 1950s research.

https://www.wired.com/story/the-teeny-tiny-scientific-screwup-that-helped-covid-kill/

Thank you

It's a little confrontational