If Trump was still the President of the United States

I was going to upvote, and then I saw this

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Absolutely! But apparently those are things that the average liberal, progressive, and leftist . . . despise. So instead they KNOWLINGLY handed the nation over to a dementia patient.

Unemployment continues to drop and the DOW continues to climb.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/UNRATE

Nothing has changed at the border security wise except for the number of attempted crossings - security hasn't been reduced. Didn't Obama/Biden deport more people than Trump?

Energy independent - nothing substantial has changed there, EIA hasn't published 2020 report yet, but I imagine with suppressed demand we remained a net oil exporter. We will have to see for this year.

We are still on the last budget passed, so military spending hasn't changed, except that the money taken from the military for the wall is back to its original purpose.

Support law enforcement - what, condemning Chauvin? Whatever.

Disarming Americans - would only affect new purchases, so I'm going to say technically not disarming.

Trump - peace in the middle east - I personally call BS, but who knows?

Fair assessment. Save for the peace in middle east part.

We are talking about dems defunding police........trump would defend them

Unless you want to make police funding federal, all funding decisions are handled at the local level. Let people make their own decisions in that regard.

If they blindly cut funding, they will get what they get. If they come up with a plan to cut funding in some areas and increase social funding, it will be an interesting social experiment to see if it is effective.

As far as defending the police... They occupy a position of authority and power and as such all accusations against them must be taken seriously. The power they have and potential ability to cover their own tracks exists. Most cops I'm sure aren't using it to get away with things, but there are obviously cops who are.

Turning people at the border back is not deportation.

Agreed. But intercepting them as they cross the border (which is how we estimate the number of people crossing illegally) and deporting them is (if I'm not mistaken).

That argument was used against Trump and ICE, as in deporting people already settled.

Trump happened to take over at a time when Mexico's economy as in good shape. We had fewer immigrants trying to cross. Later there were refugee issues, but for the majority of his time in office, shit wasn't happening.

ICE - Obama had fights with cities over sanctuary laws as well. its worth mentioning that cities with sanctuary laws do it for a reason. Sweat shops, human traffickers, etc. rely on the fact that people here illegally can't go to the authorities. There are others who also prey on immigrant groups due to this vulnerability. Sanctuary laws are in place so that people can call the police to report a crime. Agree or disagree with them, that is why they are in place.

You forget the caravans that started by at least 2018?

Nope. I'm pretty sure I mentioned them. But even so, individuals seeking asylum aren't the same as illegal crossings.

Trump made a peace deal with the Muslims and isreal (wich people thought was impossible by the way) and he pulled our troops out of the Middle East,,,,,,,,,,,how is that not peace............and what does Biden do...........destroy the deal and but our troops back in......

So, simple question: what did Biden do to destroy 'the deal' and put our troops back in?

Are you referring to the deal between Israel and Palestine? Because that was negotiated between the US and Israel without their involvement -> they rejected it as it made them an independent state in name only.

Bahrain and UAE agreed to normalize relations with Israel - it was a big step. The Muslim countries have long refused to recognize Israel as long as Palestine is under occupation. This was seen as a betrayal by other Muslim countries. How did this play into the events in Israel right now?

Trump withdrew troops from the middle east. -> yes, and Biden has set additional deadlines to bring more troops home. Whether that will actually happen depends on truth on the ground. But he hasn't deployed any additional troops that I'm aware of.

No....between isreal and the p.l.o

You lost me - In 2018 Trump shut down the PLO mission in DC after they rejected the aforementioned peace deal. Was there another agreement I'm unaware of?

Whatever deal brokered by the US involving Israel and Palestine involved huge concessions on Palestine's part, including additional loss of territory and giving up claims for property formally stolen from families who would thus have no right to return. That is why Palestine wouldn't sign.

Agreed.

Palestine is not under occupation

In 1967 Israel seized the remaining Palestinian territories (west bank, East Jerusalem, Gaza Strip, Golan Heights, etc.).

https://www.amnestyusa.org/countries/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/

"Israel maintains effective control over The Gaza Strip, controlling all but one of the crossings into the Gaza, the airspace, territorial waters, telecommunications and the population registry which determines who is allowed to leave or enter Gaza. Therefore, Israel is still considered the occupying power and is responsible for the welfare of the inhabitants in the strip under international humanitarian law."

Isreal does not own Gaza Strip......if they did, there would not be 2000 rockets flying into isreal

The international definition of 'occupied' apparently applies based on the amount of control Israel maintained even after they disengaged from Gaza.

"The territory is still considered to be occupied by Israel by the United Nations, International human rights organisations, and the majority of governments and legal commentators, despite the 2005 Israeli disengagement from Gaza. Israel maintains direct external control over Gaza and indirect control over life within Gaza: it controls Gaza's air and maritime space, and six of Gaza's seven land crossings. It reserves the right to enter Gaza at will with its military and maintains a no-go buffer zone within the Gaza territory. Gaza is dependent on Israel for its water, electricity, telecommunications, and other utilities."

Hmm i wonder why they are trying to destroy isreal then

You should read up on how even Palestinians who are Israeli citizens have different rights than the Jewish citizens. The world isn't as simple as some would like and both sides have done bad things to the other.

Did I miss the Answer to the Israel & PLO question?

I got confused for a second when I typed that

No problem. There are a lot of moving parts and I know i don't remember them all

Perhaps you should inform the oppressive apartheid state of Israel of that.

And how is it oppressive????

You're kidding, right?

It has officially been since 1948.

That is three years after the Holocaust where 8 million Jews died under the nazi rule and before that the Islamic rule over them where they literally had to PAY to live and before that...the romans they were taxed to the point to where they couldn’t buy food.......and now isreal has been in 7 wars since 1948 and all of them were started by the Muslims.........THEY HAVE BEEN OPRESSED FOR 3000 YEARS AND ARE STILL OPRESSED so dont tell me they are opressers

The number touted is maxed at 6 million.
The rest you're saying is irrelevant and does not give Israel the right to take revenge out on Palestinians.
Jews have an issue with what Europeans did for them for 2000 years (and still are)? Good, they should. Perhaps they should now aim their ire at those who oppressed and slaughtered them for millenia instead of their Semitic brethren.

Oh yeah, generational guilt is always a wonderful idea. Maybe some Asian should tell the next black about to punch him about a certain ethnic/religious group who was active in the slave trade yet seems to be the only one ignored.

Samoans?
I kid, I kid.

I was going to bring that up in one of these JIDF arguments the other day, but it fizzled before I had the chance.

Plus they gave the Palestinians Gaza so they would stop sending missiles into isreal.......NOW THEY ARE SENDING 2000 MISSILES INTO ISREAL.......no wonder isreal has some restrictions on them

You can't give something you don't own.

Oh, they were just subletting for the 2000 years the Jews were vacationing in Eastern Europe, didn'tcha know?

The Abraham Accords is not a peace treaty, as the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain have never been at war with Israel.

Trump moved our troops from northern Syria (aboandoning our Kurdish allies who had been doing our fighting against ISIL for us) to its eastern oil fields, and sent also sent more to Saudi Arabia.
We still have thousands of soldiers in bases throughout the Middle East.

Do look things up.

Yes but I’m not talking about the U.A.E I’m talking about Syria Lebanon Egypt and all of the Muslim empires in the past

You're making noise about nonsense that is not related to the discussion at hand which you have no clue about.

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I agree with you chedmacq, and I am praying for all those who disagree