Philosoraptor on masks

Your mask is your sign of obedience.

I don’t wear mine anymore save for when I’m working. Don’t see a point in wearing it on my own time and not work hours when I’ve already been vaccinated twice.

I can see why one would need a mask when working at a hosiptal or lab or cleaning a filthy public washroom but I think it's rather pointless to wear one in general public spaces. On December 1, 2020, the World Health Organization published an article titled "Mask use in the context of COVID-19" and it says that there is only limited and inconsistent data on the effectiveness of masks in community settings and the trials show that there is virtually no difference between non-mask wearing people and mask wearing people when it comes to the spread of the virus.

That is one study. Here is a bunch of summaries of studies that say differently.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html

It's not just one study, there are multiple studies that dispute the notion that masks that masks work in public spaces, I am willing to look at the studies that suggest that masks do work but I think the studies that suggest otherwise. Maybe the studies that suggest that masks don't work show certain evidence that other studies don't, go into areas that other studies don't. This is not anything to do with denying science, quite the opposite, it's about having an honest approach to masks and looking at the evidence that disputes what we currently know about masks and the virus and reveal what we don't about masks and the virus. The World Health Organization's publication "Mask use in the context of COVID-19" doesn't refer to just one study, it refers to multiple studies, that those multiple studies show very limited and inconsistent data therefore it's rather evident the science on masks isn't settled and even the WHO admits this. Here is the PDF of "Mask use in the context of COVID-19" published by the World Health Organization on December 1, 2020: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://apps.who.int/iris/rest/bitstreams/1319378/retrieve%23:~:text%3DThe%2520World%2520Health%2520Organization%2520(WHO,adequate%2520protection%2520or%2520source%2520control.&ved=2ahUKEwih09nwrorvAhVBEawKHc0LAncQFjABegQIAhAG&usg=AOvVaw2_mr0zkuyeOzqiLge-dhLz

Yes, masks alone don’t prevent the spread but they do significantly cut down the on the risk by 70% with proper care and other precautions in place.

I know many would rather argue about what is and isn’t effective but I would categorize this under better safe than sorry. And the fact is that countries with strict guidelines and restrictions are seeing dramatic improvement to those who haven’t.

I’d say, in that regard, the argument is over.

I’d say you are wrong. In Cali we are highly mask compliant, with roaming leftist mask Nazis everywhere. Yet we didn’t do any better than Florida or the other free states. The argument is only over for the compliant obedience signal let’s. Why are children wearing masks? It’s about control not health.

There may be other variables why it isn’t working in California.

Again, masks alone are not going to get it done. The type of mask may be an issue, the protocols people are using while wearing them can jeopardize their use.

You can say masks are an unreliable tool in effective prevention but it’s not the fault of masks or faulty legislation. The cities and states hit hardest by the viruses were places where dense population was common. This is why some European countries faired well in the initial outbreak but not so much the more it ravaged surrounding countries.

Young children, for the most part, are actually exempt from wearing masks in the United States as set by WHO guidelines. Children under 5 shouldn’t have to wear masks unless advised by their independent care specialist which may or may not be covid related.

https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-children-and-masks-related-to-covid-19

And yet people are removed from airlines and school because the children don’t wear masks.

First, the parents were accused of improper mask wear of their masks not because their two-year old wasn’t wearing a mask.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/spirit-airlines-disputes-viral-story-family-asked-leave-plane-over-maskless-2-year-old-1581111%3Famp%3D1

Second, which story are you referring to about people being removed from school because the children don’t wear masks?

This one where the student acted as a whistleblower and posted evidence of a school not enforcing the state mandate with crowded hallways of maskless students and therefor was suspended?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/3319100001

This one where a nine year old (so older than five) simply forgot his mask and was kicked off the bus for four days? Yes, I agree the punishment is harsh. And if they couldn’t supply the kid with a replacement mask, then I can agree it is even unreasonable.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/ktul.com/amp/news/local/student-suspended-from-school-bus-in-catoosa-for-not-wearing-mask

Or are you referring to any other stories?

Plenty of local stories of mask naziism on children. Ridiculous. Take the masks off the kids. Let them breathe and develop you control freak nutjobs.

Sorry but children need to also follow the basic guidelines to keep covid contained until enough people have been vaccinated. Telling them to take the masks off now is akin to congratulating one self on the second lap in a three lap race. An awful idea. Still my sympathies. Kids are more capable of coping with this then most grown adults. Try not to project your personal frustrations onto them.

Also, I see what you're doing. First downvote my sensible comment chain where you obviously lost the debate.

Then when I reposted my final comment, you chose to flood it with inane babble to burry the good information. Very clever.

I've gone ahead and posted my final say elsewhere.

You gotta ask yourself, just what is your agenda here, bruh?

You are surprisingly ignorant for someone claiming to be educating people. The threads don’t always allow reply to the direct thread so you go back up to a thread to respond. No one is trying to hide your inane leftist ramblings. They speak for themselves and I want everyone to see them but I do downvote stupidity and mask naziism.

“If I'm parroting Fauci then you're parroting Antivaxx horseshit.”

Only if you Change the subject as we are talking about mask usage not vaccines.

You brought up Fauci, so it's fair game to call you an antivaxxer if you don't trust the country's leading specialist on vaccines in regards to his opinions on masks.

Which yes, many of this anti-Fauci bullshit is sourced from antivaxxers.

Own it, bruh.

I’d say you are a yahoo who parrots fauci and his mask mania.

If I'm parroting Fauci then you're parroting Antivaxx horseshit.

I won’t own words you put in my mouth. I said nothing against vaccines. So your accusation is false and a sad attempt to redirect the simple fact that mask do not cover your eyes. Please explain the scientific theory that virus do not enter through mucous membranes.

But I'm not claiming viruses do not enter through mucous membranes.

I'm claiming masks help cut down on infection rates. Ask a surgeon sometime.

The exit point of the virus is through the mouth. There are several masks that actually account for eye protection. But while the eyes certainly are a contact point, they're not the only contact point. If water droplets, which typically expel quite a distance from the mouth (Somewhere between one to four feet.. more if there is a strong wind). If these droplets land on hands, or anything that can make contact with the eyes, nose, or mouth, then infection can be spread successfully. Stopping the major exit points (the eyes and nose) are the reason why masks are prioritize in addition to washing hands and keeping distance.

I hope this helps you understand my point. And I'm willing to try to educate you on how and why things are the way they are. Maybe if you tried understanding things you'd be less frustrated.

Sorry I reject your indoctrination of mask mania. It’s about control, not health. Every box of surgical masks clearly states they are not effective virus protection. This has been known for decades from previous viral
Outbreaks. Your god Fauci stated as much early on when, if true, wearing one would have made a difference. Yet he said they wouldn’t help.

As to surgeons the reason they wear a surgical mask are varied, but the primary ones being to protect their mucous membranes from bodily fluid spurts or sprays when cutting into pressurized veins and to protect the patient whose defensive layer of epidermis is cut open allowing direct infectious access. The only efficacy for masks is if you are sneezing and coughing and sick. Now you will go down the totally unverified asymptomatic spread rabbit hole to justify everyone wearing masks always. I’m sorry you are afraid to breathe air but no one should have to live based on your germophobes OCD based fears. People like you would walk straight into the gas chambers without a fight. So shut up and keep walking.

If you believe a simple surgical
Mask and no eye covering is the savoir of the planet you are a special Kind of stupid. Now move along and parrot the next leftist narrative while obedience signaling with your triple mask without eye covering.

Sorry, I'm a Republican.

I'm just not a yahoo like you.

I still say we should’ve followed Florida’s example months ago tbh

Do you mean by banning vaccinated people from working?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56905752.amp

I didn’t know about that :(

Sounds good to me since vaccinated people are shedding the mRNA virus and causing the people around them to get sick.

So when do antivaxxers start murdering normal and healthy vaccinated people and try to claim self-defense before their lawyers make them say... “oh, we were lied to.”

Summertime sounds good?

I bet it will be summer.

The science always comes out. Do some research. Stop watching CNN.
https://drleemerritt.com/ (Is There shot putting you at risk).

I don't just watch CNN. And I don't believe every blowhard who owns a website full of clickbait bullshit.

Yes, if you believe fiction. That’s not how vaccines work nor even these bogus claims of gene therapy.

When the supreme court reverses these, maybe you yahoos will get violent and labeled terrorists.

Personally, I hope you don’t and the lot of you come to your senses. But since you’re hyped up paranoid on baseless propaganda, you probably won’t!

The real truth:
Vaccines are supposed to cause an immune reaction to the adjuvant and then identify the weakened viral load in the vaccine and learn immunity from it.
How it actually works is that you get a weakened immunity (flu is 16% more than those without shots) if you don't die from an allergic reaction and require constant booster shots (each time putting you at risk).

The covid shot is not a vaccine. It sends messenger RNA into your cells and takes over the cells machinery to produce the covid virus spikes (keys that let the virus into your cells).
There are two immediate problems with this. One, the cells are no longer serving their original purpose and two better hope nothing goes wrong.
In reality, the spikes break down in your blood stream and your body learns that the proteins they are made up of are bad, so they attack it like its a virus. This protein is in a lot of places in your body and is in the placenta in women and the reproductive system. So in many women their reproductive systems are completely destroyed and they have miscarriages and infertility and they have heavy dark bleeding during their periods and death.

Now these covid spikes do something known as 'shedding' from people that have taken the vaccine they get in your blood stream and come out of you in your sweat, breath, and moisture from your eyes. They are then carried to other people who take them into their pores, nose, eyes, ears, and mouth then their bodies have the same reactions listed above.

Please do some research. Don't stop at a CNN article that says shedding isn't real. Dig into the medical literature and do some reading. For your own sake.

I'll elaborate later.

You told me to go to the source... here is a good source.

The CDC.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/mrna.html

I take it back, you did have one thing right. Ironically after you said the truth.

"Vaccines are supposed to cause an immune reaction to the adjuvant and then identify the weakened viral load in the vaccine and learn immunity from it."

Then you say that the covid shot (as if there was only one vaccine or that you only need the one shot, which you don't) is not a vaccine. But it is. The mRNA does not take over the cell, but rather causes it to produce the spike protein. Our immune systems recognize that the protein doesn’t belong there and begin building an immune response and making antibodies, like what happens in natural infection against COVID-19. These proteins stop replicating after 24-48 hours, and has hopefully taught our immune system how to handle COVID-19. Like a vaccine does. (Because it is one.)

The only reason why this is different is because in the past, vaccines used weakened versions of the virus to learn immunity. This is actually safer as you're not injected with the virus at all but something that replicates the shape and form of the virus to prepare for it.

That doesn't make it gene therapy and it doesn't mean it's not a vaccine.

There is currently no evidence that COVID-19 vaccination causes any problems with pregnancy, including the development of the placenta. In addition, there is no evidence that fertility problems are a side effect of any vaccine, including COVID-19 vaccines.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/facts.html

Vaccines do not shed. Viruses, on the other hand do. And as this vaccine contains no viruses you cannot infect someone with the proteins produced in it. And again, these proteins break down naturally over a 24-48 hour period. So even if someone were to entertain the possibility that mRNA was dangerous to other people besides people who have been vaccinated, it would not last longer than a day. And again, since these proteins cannot travel (because they'll be attacked instantly by our immune systems) out of your sweat, breath, and moisture from your eyes.

Please do some research. Don't stop at some clickbait articles on facebook, instagram, and whatever non-credible source you follow that says that vaccines can shed. Dig into the real medical literature and do some reading. For your own sake.

Replying to below:
Nope wrong again. The body does not react to it like it does covid-19. mRNA is not a vaccine its a gene therapy (look up what gene therapy is).
All of the covid shots are mRNA and work the same way.
Except you are not safer from covid vaccines because they take over the cell which has a function that helps you stay alive and instead it is producing spike proteins that break down in the bloodstream into proteins your body uses (but not in the blood), and then the immune system flags those proteins as bad and you start having all kinds of immunological issues related to it.
Again, please do some research.

People from both parties have supported mask mandates.

Sweden has no mask mandates and next to no restrictions and their Prime Minister is a member of the leftist Social Democrat Party, the UK is very strict on covid restrictions and their Prime Minister is a member of the Conservative Party.

Sweden reminds me of a European Florida. XD

yes, they have a rather low amount of covid cases despite being very lenient on covid restrictions

Should also mention Sweden has seen a severe rise in Covid cases since Winter of 2020 while the UK’s efforts have actually flattened the curve.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

UK spikes occurring when they relaxed their mandate. Tsk.

So in Europe it's the complete opposite of what your meme says.

What is your point?

Move there

I don’t wanna be that guy to ruin your meme, but this isn’t a Donald Trump tweet. I know most folks hate the man but c’mon now you can do better than a fake Twitter comment can’t you?

I don't wanna be that guy to ruin your fact checking, but this IS a Donald Trump tweet.

https://www.thetrumparchive.com/?searchbox=%22face+mask+patriotic%22

https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/07/20/president-trump-declares-masks-patriotic-against-coronavirus/

https://www.fox6now.com/news/many-people-say-that-it-is-patriotic-to-wear-a-face-mask-trump-tweets-photo-of-himself-in-face-covering

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-gives-masks-his-strongest-endorsement-yet-after-downplaying-them-n1234388

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/donald-trump-tweets-image-of-himself-wearing-mask-calls-it-patriotic/story-sZLmYdTWWeV

I wasn’t fact-checking but ok bro.

You called a real twitter comment fake, bruh.

I didn’t know it was real, my bad

You can not reason with Trumplicans. I use to think Democrats could be blind. Now? Well they have outpaced the Dems by leaps and bounds regarding how full of shit they are

Fake news again. Try reasoning with facts and sources not CNN talking points.

Sorry, but "right-wing echoing chamber" doesn't count.

Yep, which is why I encourage you to go to the source of the info and then verify it independently and do your own research. Stay away from CNN. It is a plague of lies.

CNN is a new source.

So is Fox and USAToday, and actually a lot of sources you'd claim to be fake news.

People who produce the crap like Plandemic and OANN are disreputable sources to say the least.

Go back to school, ya yahoo.

lol no. CNN admitted they lie themselves. They've been caught in numerous lies. Stop watching CNN and do your own research. I don't do Fox (except for an occasional clip), Don't know what USAToday is. I don't do OANN. I watched the Plandemic video but turned it off when they went into the new age psychic garbage (totally poisoned any real info they may have provided).
Go to the source of info and verify it. Stop just believing anything you are told.

Just stop believing everything. Got it.