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Overall deaths remained the same | TURNS OUT COVID DIDN'T INCREASE OVERALL DEATHS; FOR THE YEAR, IT JUST STOLE FROM OTHER DEATHS | image tagged in covid 19 | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
1,974 views 58 upvotes Made by lokiare 4 years ago in politics
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6 ups, 4y,
1 reply
Exactly. You know, my family and I are talking about taking to the streets and protesting all the unconstitutional crap that is going on.
6 ups, 4y,
1 reply
I would too, but I have my work to consider.
I might wear a mask to do it so people don't recognize me. Unfortunately I only have these surgical covid masks...
3 ups, 4y
Hmmm. Well, a silent belief is not a belief at all. It is how the left wins. Your job will fare better if Newsome goes to Hell.
6 ups, 4y,
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https://web.archive.org/web/20201126163323/https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19
2 ups, 4y
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Nice source.
4 ups, 4y
Captain Obvious | COVID 19 CASES
 ON THE RISE AS TESTING HAS INCREASED DRAMATICALLY | image tagged in captain obvious | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
It bears repeating
6 ups, 4y,
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You can’t use facts on the emotionally unstable left.
2 ups, 4y
The OP meme is horse sh*t... Their source publication retracted the article because of inaccuracies specifically regarding what the meme was about. OP managed to find and post an archived version of the original article before it was retracted.
2 ups, 4y,
1 reply
And the Medical-Inustrial-Complex is 'in' on it (how could they NOT know?).
1 up, 4y
You don't need some grand conspiracy to explain things. Just plain ole' greed does it. Hospitals: "Hmmmm if I report this death as flu, I get X dollars. If I report it as covid I get (Y>X) dollars."
Fauci "Hmmm, if I stir up a panic I get a bigger budget for next year."
Trump "If I respond to this correctly my vote totals will go up."
Biden "If I respond to this correctly my vote totals will go up...wait what was I thinking?"
Big Pharma "Oh good, more vaccines to sell."
WHO/CDC "We are relevant again! Bigger budgets."
etc...etc...
1 up, 4y
2 ups, 4y,
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Nope (and that spike you see is just through August)

Try again
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2 ups, 4y,
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That’s because your graph is only going by deaths from disease. So yes the number of virus related deaths has spiked, but that also means the primarily elderly who die from covid didn’t die from a stroke or heart attack for example. When you look at covid deaths in relation to total deaths, it almost hasn’t changed.
https://web.archive.org/web/20201126163323/https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19
1 up, 4y,
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No, the graph tracks all deaths. Which is apparent both from the labeling (read it closely) and the fact it is tracking deaths from long before Covid-19 was a thing.

Some of them would have died of other causes, but not that many and not this quickly.

Furthermore, Covid-19’s disruptions to healthcare mean that others are dying due to the impact of the disease despite not being infected themselves. Nobody knows exactly how many, but it exceeds the 280,000 Covid deaths (current figure) generally reported in the media. Probably by 50,000-100,000.

So yes, looking at excess deaths gives a better sense of Covid-19’s total impact on public health but it also paints an even worse picture.
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2 ups, 4y,
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2 ups, 4y,
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:I
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0 ups, 4y,
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Yes, because you’re seeing things that aren’t there. The graph goes till the current data for 2020, but 2020 isn’t quite over yet. But just to make you happy here’s another graph.
2 ups, 4y,
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That graph is from Macrotrends.net.... correct?
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1 up, 4y,
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Correct
2 ups, 4y
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0 ups, 4y,
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If you’re going to reject it for some garbage reason I got another one from the US national library of medicine. As you can see, by total mortality from any cause 2020 is lower than all the other years listed for 7 weeks. Just briefly later on does it surpass 2018, but after that, goes low again and stays a less than average in death toll.
2 ups, 4y,
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Wasn't able to find that chart, but I did find this.

Which, if true, seems like it points to almost the exact opposite of the narrative I've been hearing here......... covid deaths have actually been undercounted, not overcounted.
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0 ups, 4y,
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122,300 more deaths than expected. Re-check my graph. That period of more deaths was chosen measuring between 2019’s numbers and this year at the range where 2020 deaths is at it’s highest, and 2019 deaths were at a low. So it’s true, but deceptive in choosing that specific spot to measure by knowing it would be the sharpest contrast. Most other points on the graph 2020 deaths are average.
2 ups, 4y
Well...to be clear, I didn't choose that specific spot/time period/article in any effort to be deceptive (and I'm not sure that "expected deaths" are simply based on the prior year).. I just posted the only thing I could find from the National Library of Medicine that seemed relevant to this conversation. I would've much rather looked at the specific source page of your graph (especially considering deaths now seem to be ramping up to levels beyond what was seen during the "first wave" of covid) ...but alas... I failed to find it.
:/
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2 ups, 4y
The pink line in that graph may be referring to projections, because total deaths counting any cause worldwide doesn’t appear to have changed very much at all.
1 up, 4y,
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Still waiting for a source so I can verify your assertions. I too can use photoshop to make a fancy graph.
1 up, 4y,
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“Photoshop” lol.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/covid-19-is-now-the-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-the-u-s1/

Ight man

Since you asked me for the second time, I can only assume you must really care.

Can’t wait to hear your thoughts on “verifying” this information or, more likely, spinning it into oblivion or simply ignoring it.

I will spare you the trouble of pointing out that Scientific American endorsed Biden breaking with its 175-year tradition of not endorsing a president.

But they can explain in their own words.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/scientific-american-endorses-joe-biden1/
0 ups, 4y
That's pretty easy: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities
Oh look all the people that died of covid also died from cancer, heart disease, and many other causes, only 6% of them died of covid alone, and more than 152,000 died from causes that were not relatable to covid at all.
1 up, 4y
No source again? Wow. After being asked 100's of times for source you provide none.
1 up, 4y
Care to provide a source for this?
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