kamala

Sorry but I don't accept responsibility for something that happened before I was born, and I don't owe you reparations for something that didn't happen to you. I don't believe in an original sin and I don't accept an unearned debt.

Ridiculous. I live in the northern US where slavery ended far before much of the rest of the world. No one cares about Muslim, Asian or African slavery which STILL exists. No one holds the Immigrating Indiands accountable for the untouchables when they make more on averagethan whites. So why focus on the US? Because all you care about is destroying the country that enabled a culture of freedom of all races and genders. Liberty mean you have to be accountable to yourself. And you don't want that.

Exactly!

Complex points you raise.

We do care about modern-day slavery. Problem is we don't have jurisdiction over Mauritania and all these other countries. If we can't do anything about it other than maybe pressure other countries diplomatically, it's a separate discussion.

Modern-day slavery takes place in the shadows right here in the U.S. -- often under the guise of exploiting illegal immigrant labor. It's not legal, but it's not going away, either, since many industries are dependent on it. Only one party cares about legalizing those people and giving them better wages, labor rights, etc. (if not eventually the possibility of actual citizenship).

Similarly, only one party cares about putting our money where our mouths are and atoning for our racist, slaver past by compensating the unpaid back wages of slavery.

Regardless of when it ended, it's an injustice that happened and Northern politicians (even if the soil where they lived on was "free") were complicit, too, in bartering "compromises" with Southern politicians that allowed slavery to continue anywhere in America.

But wages won't make a difference. Free money doesn't create respect for property and people have been living on welfare for 50 years and the places where welfare is most concentrated are miserable. Public housing was and is a failure. I'm all for a reasonable way to raise the black race from disparity but the solution must aim to make good citizens.

Excuse me, I'd like to go sue anyone with roman ancestry for killing and enslaving my Ancient Celtic and Frank ancestors.

There are three obvious points to make about what you posted.

Your assertion that people are coming here voluntarily, although illegally, and entering into slavery is preposterous. You cannot make the comparison about people living in freedom being slaves any more than Bill Barr could, right? (although he actually didn't, but that's not up for debate here...)

And there you go again with the assertion that putting OUR money where YOUR mouth is will solve this. If you could prove it, I would listen and be interested in jumping on the team for the big win. Since you can't, I won't hold my breath.

Lastly, for you to sit on your ass in the year 2020 and condemn people who were doing everything they could at the time to end slavery is, imo, arrogance on a scale that I find difficult to comprehend. No magic wand could have been waved. So what people did when confronted with an enormous problem is what we've always done when it comes to problem solving; we chip away. Yes, that meant through compromises and anything else that would move the cause of freedom forward, and that's exactly what they did. I will not hold them accountable for not being able to solve a problem that resulted in a Civil War. The fact that it did result in a war should be more than enough proof to even the most pie in the sky liberal SJW that there were some bad people who didn't want it to end. Those people do not, and did not go quietly.

Creating a government that allows people individual freedoms and a healthy, prosperous life is a pretty good outcome. That, and 600,000 Americans died in a war to end slavery, so I going to call us all caught up. You can look at your democrat policies over the last 100 years to see why the is any kind of struggles for Americans. When you see a black ( or brown) person and feel the need to help them because you feel they are disadvantaged because of their color, you are ignorant and racist. But keep those feel good social welfare programs coming.

Please explain where he commits himself to Nazism.

That kind of implicit namecalling is a sorry replacement for factual arguments.

What dim thinkers like you BlueBunny, fail to realize is that these sick bastards have a right to feel the way they do, no matter how wrong it is. It's the same with you. No matter how wrong you are, you have every right to be wrong.

What you also fail to comprehend is that the best way to put an end to "this" is to ignore it. All the left-controlled media accomplishes by putting these idiots on the news every chance they get, aside from your insane liberal fetish about putting everyone into your little liberal identity boxes, is glamorizing them.

Let's be real, without these skinheads, you guys believe you'd have one less tool to attack Trump, and that's why YOU need them, and that's why the media give them the publicity that they do.

Here here, good point Elvis. Freedom of speech even if you don’t like it.

Mind blown by the stultifying idiocy of your argument. This is the SJW woke storyline and it is a load of psychobabble bullcrap. You drank this punch and proffer it like a Jehovah’s Witness on the weekend. I will never drink this kool aid because it is ridiculous on its face. You allude to the issues itself in your narrative. What if my people immigrated to America after the civil war? So are you going to do ancestry checks and apportion guilt? What about blacks who entered this country after the civil war? Are they less oppressed? This is a cockamamie theory pushed by the Left to feed white guilt. Obviously it worked in your case and I expect to see your apology posted for the world to see.

You cannot roll they history to assign guilt because we can roll through and find that everyone of all races is guilty at some point. The past is for remembering and learning. You want to act on a specific period that you look back on in disgust. Where is your outrage for the Roman Empire? Yours is a game of hate and guilt it’s what you believe and what you preach. You will receive what you give.

Good points, and I've yet to see a Democrat mention that African slaves that were brought to America hundreds of years ago were harvested and sold to Dutch traders by more powerful black African tribes. In other words, powerful black tribes harvested and sold the black brothers, sisters, and children of weaker tribes into bondage and into slavery for PROFIT.

But, why would we, the descendants of the guilty people, need to be held accountable for their actions? What could WE at this time have possibly done to stop that from happening!? We should just move on. Current White Americans are not responsible for slavery. It is pointless for the great-grandchildren of slave owners to be forced to pay reparations to the great-grandchildren of slaves.

You make an excellent point. As I mentioned to Bluessol, I've yet to see a anyone mention that African slaves were harvested and sold to Dutch traders by more POWERFUL black African tribes. In other words, powerful BLACK African tribes captured and sold their black brothers, sisters, and children of weaker tribes into bondage. BLACKS sold blacks into slavery for PROFIT.

Thanks for spreading the word..

I really want to see their response to what I responded on another comment.

"Excuse me, I'd like to go sue anyone with roman ancestry for killing and enslaving my Ancient Celtic and Frank ancestors"

Then give your f**king house to an American Indian. Does the corner etched out already alleviate your white guilt? People were here before slavery, as they were everywhere. It's not where you start. This government you want to blame for centuries ago has also created opportunity for everyone. What can one person do that another can't?

Have you watched plain old TV commercials lately? 95% of the actors are BLACK.

Your comments are totally nuts.

African slaves were harvested and sold to Dutch traders by more POWERFUL black African tribes. In other words, powerful BLACK African tribes captured and sold their black brothers, sisters, and children of weaker tribes into bondage. BLACKS sold blacks into slavery for PROFIT.

I'm looking forward to seeing how you explain how black African tribes will pay REPARATIONS to black slaves from decades past.. Go ahead. Please. Seriously. REALLY?? Yes, really. Make my day.

"If we don't pay reparations, then we're ticking the last box regarding all that human life and labor and ratifying Confederate logic after-the-fact."

Wow, you state as fact so much that is bullshit, that it's hard to know where to start. Not paying reparations absolutely does not mean any of that.

If you can prove that paying reparations will have any positive impact on the situation, then please go ahead and do so. So far, all I've read from you on this subject is nothing but attempts to lay guilt trips on people for things their ancestors may have done, and in many cases did not do, and the vague unsupported claim that throwing money at the situation will solve it.

You can call it back wages, or whatever other flowery liberal term you want, but until you prove two things, it's just not going to happen. 1. Prove that it will solve the problem, because at this point, your claim is that it must be made right. So whatever you hope will work, better work. Don't throw OUR money at this problem unless you know it will work. But you don't know, so don't do it. 2. You simply cannot logically make the claim that everyone is responsible. It just doesn't fly. So making these payments out of the general fund, which many who would receive the reparations have paid into, makes zero sense. Why should someone whose family came to this country during the civil rights era, have to pay for mistakes made a hundred years and more before they arrived?

And where does it stop? Once you and your comrade SJWs feel this issue is resolved, are you going to go through American history and attempt to pay off (i.e. formally label as victims) every group of people you feel has been wronged? The answer is it doesn't stop, and all you're doing is codifying the identity of victim, permanently, for those you're earnestly trying to help. The left just can't stop believing that putting people into identity boxes is a good thing, no matter how often it results in the worst happening. This is no different.

You first, what have you paid back? Give us the example you wish us to follow. This is what it is all about isn’t it reparations. Free money to people who are descendants of people who were wronged. Where do I put my claim in with the English, the Romans the Franks, the mongols. When my claims are honored I will consider other people’s claims against my ancestors. Otherwise GTFO

That's some high level specious liberal logic there, KF.

At least you wrapped it up with some liberal consistency... the crazy non-starter notion that reparations be paid from the general fund. You do realize what that means, right? Many who would receive reparations will have also contributed to the general fund by way of paying taxes, so they're paying themselves reparations. Liberal logic indeed.

I would imagine that those of my ancestors who suffered a fair amount of institutional racism for being Irish, yet still found it within themselves to fight and die for the North during the Civil War, might feel the entire notion of reparations ridiculous. Or, they might not. Since they're dead and probably don't care any more, it's hard for me to say. Or perhaps due to their suffering and fighting to free slaves, maybe they'd feel that their descendants should get a discount when it comes to reparations... hmmm, what would be fair discount? 5%, 20%, 45% off the going rate?

I think what we've got is a situation where a broad solution like throwing money at this situation, just won't work. People simply won't stand for it because they do not responsible, because they are not.

Here's a crazy idea; maybe you specifically, along with your other SJW comrades in arms, need to determine precisely whose ancestors were actually responsible, and to what degree, and make them pay on a sliding scale. This would include all the KKK members, racists / bigots, etc., post-reconstruction. It's certainly not fair for everyone to pay, no matter how much liberal logic you try to apply. What if you're mixed?

Let me ask you about these reparations. If they are paid, will you and your comrade SJWs, and others finally stfu? Will money do it? Or are we still going to have to put up with our cities burning and businesses destroyed because of slavery, white privilege, and institutional racism? What will it take?

I can say that the Black people in my family would most likely turn down any reparations, since accepting them would mean they formally accept the label of victim, which they absolutely do not.

Why not take a more sensible approach? One that even liberals might agree will work, whatever that may be. I say yes, because the typical liberal approach to problem solving, i.e. throwing money at a problem, surely won't get the job done in this case, any more than it did all the other times we felt the urge to flush money down the toilet.

See my comments to others above..

Under your logic, slaves are also complicit for slavery. When are you going to send your money to the American Indian?