Change My Mind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-P9lJQspq8&ab_channel=TomMcGovern

plot twist: your child has cancer. oops

And it should be completely optional.

that's how it fails lol :)

I was thinking wtf kind of "option" is "self-quarantining" for 70+ year olds....??

Call me ageist but either way might be a death sentence.
:o

Sick 70+ year olds represent about 90%+ of the deaths. THEY should be the ones not wanting to go out and mingle for their own protection. If they limit their exposure to others, they save themselves. You don't catch COVID out of thin air. People need to be responsible for their own security, and stop worrying so much about what someone else is doing.

so much for loving your country and being willing to defend it.

I do love my country. But I also love freedom and liberty.

is it too much for the government to ask you to stay home or wear a mask? It's hard for everyone, no point in making it harder. care about your neighbors.

Forcing people to do something against their will is not exactly caring about your neighbours.

Obligated to post this for the brainlets in the comment section.

hey libtard, did you know that cancer is a myth invented by pro free-healthcars? it's true. look it up. just another liberal myth, like "poor people", and "global warming", and "japan".

did you also know that george floyd had a trillion causes of death such as drugs, heart problems, and coronavirus that had nothing to do with the cop directly sitting on him? it's true. look it up instead of doubting my asshat conspiracy theories that only exist as a force of contrarianism against libtards

It's actually all a plot from big bad socialist globalist evil George Soros. He's coming for you all!

oh yeah that too

Ironically, when someone dies in a car crash or actually is shot and dies, and is tested with postive COVID results, the hospital does label it a COVID death! This of course erroneously pumps the COVID death figures. So while the cartoon is mocking this, that's actually what is happening in real life by declaration from the hospitals.

Except car accidents make up a miniscule, negligible impact on covid death counts. If you actually read the CDC report, car accidents are under the category of "Intentional and unintentional injury, poisoning and other adverse events" of which there are hundreds of subcategories. And under the ENTIRE category, there is only 5692 deaths out of 174,470 deaths (3.2% of all deaths). Keep in mind, that's the entire category. Car accidents probably make up a tiny portion of that category, so it most likely constitutes far below 1% of all covid deaths. And there are probably instances where the car accident injured the person, but the covid killed the person. Even if we were to assume that every single covid death alongside a car accident is illegitimate, it barely contributes to the covid death count.

That may be true, but the fact that they've chosen to report in this fashion is the tip of the iceberg as it relates to their intellectual dishonesty. The number of deaths you're quoting is already way overstated because of false positives. Even the NYT reported that some tests were reporting 90% false positives. So as long as you ignore that and sweep it under the rug like it never happened, your numbers won't even be close to being accurate either.

1. You're misinterpreting the NYT report.

2. What about false negatives?

I'm not misinterpreting it. What false negatives? Go ahead and present evidence that has been a problem. Haven't seen one shred of evidence of that claim ANYWHERE. Not in mainstream media, or otherwise. The bias has ALWAYS been to severely over report.

1. Oops. I forgot to link the article. My bad.

https://www.newswise.com/coronavirus/misinterpreted-new-york-times-report-leads-to-false-claim-that-the-number-of-covid-19-cases-in-the-u-s-is-inflated-by-up-to-90

2. https://www.contagionlive.com/news/when-is-a-negative-covid19-test-truly-negative
https://www.clinicaloncology.com/COVID-19/Article/07-20/False-Negatives-Found-If-COVID-19-Testing-Done-Too-Soon/58781
https://www.13wmaz.com/article/news/local/covid-19-false-positives-are-rare-false-negatives-more-common/93-8defda75-4b45-4328-857f-a4a56821aabc
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2015897
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/which-test-is-best-for-covid-19-2020081020734

I could do this all day. It's literally a google search away. I refuse to believe you couldn't find "a shred of evidence."

And if you have the flu don't go to the office.

Sweden did not lock down. Their economy only shrank about 10%, mostly due to lost tourism. The new cases in Sweden are very low; they no longer recommend masks.
Sweden deaths/100,000 is lower than USA.

The cure was worse than the disease

Your plan would still have a six digit death count in the US.

Keep drinking the Kool-Aid. It obviously makes you happy.

You want to save the people over 70 and leave the rest to die and to spread the disease as they do. It's just not a very good plan.

The CDC itself admitted that only 6% of the deaths were from covid alone. All other deaths had 2 to 3 other causes on average. That's 9,000 deaths.

190,000 deaths and counting.

Canada has around 9,000 deaths, but they get to make that claim - they followed protocols and did what they had to do to save lives. We didn't. So we don't.

tbh the death count prolly isn't very accurate. doctors have been labeling coronavirus 4 the death cause of ppl in car accidents & stuff.

tbh I don't believe you know what you're talking about

somebody my father knew had a brother die in a car accident, & the doctors put on his death certificate that his cause of death was "Coronavirus." & that prsn said that wasn't the first time that had happened.

Great. But the more you try to play Covid down, the more you're telling people who HAVE lost loved ones to coronavirus that they should be ignoring what they saw and went through in favor of what you saw and went through.

200,000 people dead have left behind millions of people who just don't see the value of your story. Stop trying to tell people that this isn't happening - it is.

I don't know who told you that STD means that it's ONLY transmitted sexually, but you - yes you, as a person - have a responsibility to reject such nonsense when you hear it.

ok, no STDs r not only transmitted thru intercourse. But STDs would not even exist if ppl didn't misbehave in that arena.

Getting the numbers right isn't about playing Covid down, but having the wrong numbers contributes to those who want to play it up. The true numbers are important and we won't have those for awhile. Health infomatics organizations are actively purging the numbers of false covid deaths now. I have a daughter that manages a team in our state that is doing just that. The real deaths will be much lower than those currently shown, due to the abuse on the hospital level of labeling almost every death as a covid death. Our family is actively trying to remove that designation from my uncle's death certificate right now. He died in June from a heart attack...never was tested for covid, but it is on his death certificate anyway. The hospital got paid 30,000 for that...in addition to his other expenses. At a time when hospitals had to close several floors and turn away routine patients, the need for that money is obvious. So the motive for their actions is clear.

many diseases kill many ppl. does it mean we should live in fear? more than 200,000 ppl die from cancer every yr. Yet few ppl know that there are ways around cancer (mainly b/c companies don't want ppl knowing that). Lung cancer kills 3/4 of the ppl who get it.
diabetes kills many ppl. AIDS kills many ppl (which often is actually their fault tbh).

tbh one way 2 curb the coronavirus is 2 wash ur hands all the time. (i wonder what happened 2 that suggestion, b/c u don't hear it often on the news).
when u get the flu, or any other sickness, u have 2 quarantine.
also yes, young ppl can die from covid, but it's so rare i wouldn't be worried about it. i'd b more worried 4 older ppl.

Their fault????

Not only are you wrong on this, you're also an asshole.

6% OF 190,000, fool. Not paying attention. Not to mention, the 190K figure is also fake since so many tests produce false positives (see NY Times article, Libtard).

The false positives of people who died of Covid's very distinct set of symptoms?

Sure, a lot of people have respiratory illnesses that mimic those symptoms. Not so distinct. Ever heard of a dry cough before COVID? Yeah, me too. You can keep believing the BS, but even the CDC has admitted that 94% of all COVID patients (already an overstated figure by far) have comorbidities that include Stave IV cancer, emphasema, heart disease, diabetes, and more. In fact the average age of the person dying is 83, and the average number of comorbidities is 2.6. That means the AVERAGE PERSON who supposedly dies from this is an 83 year old with severe pre-existing afflictions. Then there's the question on whether or not the COVID test they took provided a false positive anyway, and they may not even have COVID at all! So yeah, overall, this whole thing is bullshit. COVID exists, and some people have died from it, but it's nothing like what is being promoted. Not by a long shot.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities

Just curious.. have you done any research regarding comorbidities among seasonal flu deaths?

No have you?
I'm sure they have been exagerrating flu for years to sell vaccines.

Claiming that however many thousands of people who tested positive for covid and died with the same symptoms of it were actually false positives is ridiculous..especially in context of 200,000 extra deaths for 2020.

Stage 4 cancer ok.. but "diabetes"..??

Millions of Americans live for decades with that sh*t and I've heard at least some evidence that covid-19 can actual CAUSE diabetes...as well as ~half the list of the other conditions listed on the CDC website. So automatically writing off people who had comorbidities listed as "not a covid death" is foolish.

"Claiming that however many thousands of people who tested positive for covid and died with the same symptoms of it were actually false positives is ridiculous..especially in context of 200,000 extra deaths for 2020."

We don't have 200,000 extra deaths for 2020. Unless you have a solid source for that claim somewhere.

"Stage 4 cancer ok.. but "diabetes"..??

Millions of Americans live for decades with that sh*t and I've heard at least some evidence that covid-19 can actual CAUSE diabetes...as well as ~half the list of the other conditions listed on the CDC website. So automatically writing off people who had comorbidities listed as "not a covid death" is foolish."

I've heard the moon is made of cheese. See how that works?
In reality if you have your diabetes in check then you are at no additional risk. Its only if you are taking immune system medication due to diabetes that you are even marginally at risk.
No you can't get diabetes from a cold virus. That's just obsurd.

Many of the 'comorbidities' they could have died from the other thing and just tested positive for covid as many doctors have attested to, despite the risk to their jobs.

To be fair they could end up being wrong.

This isn't about the moon nor who has their diabetes in check.. this is about comorbidites listed on the CDC which some are trying to use to discredit deaths attributed to Covid-19. It does not appear to specify who "had it in check" nor even which type of diabetes.

Source for the 200,000 extra deaths is the CDC... It's right in your own link that you posted.. also I could've sworn I already had that conversation with you.

Late March had back to back weeks of 10,000+ extra deaths every week... Claiming that 9,000 people in total died of covid is *absurd.

"could have died from the other thing and just tested positive for covid as many doctors have attested to"

Source?

Care to link that article?

"To be fair they could end up being wrong.

This isn't about the moon nor who has their diabetes in check.. this is about comorbidites listed on the CDC which some are trying to use to discredit deaths attributed to Covid-19. It does not appear to specify who "had it in check" nor even which type of diabetes."

Yes, there is a lot of missing info which could swing this either way. What we do know is that if you have high levels of vitamin C, D, and zinc that you don't get the immune system attacking healthy cells.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/04/joseph-mercola/vitamins-c-and-d-finally-adopted-as-coronavirus-treatment/

"Source for the 200,000 extra deaths is the CDC... It's right in your own link that you posted.. also I could've sworn I already had that conversation with you."

Is this a population study that includes all deaths or is it just the CDCs claim that 200,000 people died of covid?

"Late March had back to back weeks of 10,000+ extra deaths every week... Claiming that 9,000 people in total died of covid is *absurd.

"could have died from the other thing and just tested positive for covid as many doctors have attested to"

Source?"

https://fee.org/articles/physicians-say-hospitals-are-pressuring-er-docs-to-list-covid-19-on-death-certificates-here-s-why/

https://fee.org/articles/new-study-casts-more-doubt-on-effectiveness-of-masks-in-preventing-covid-19-spread/

bring an arguement not an insult.