Change My Mind

Yeah...because that should be the focus, not compassion and a willingness to educate yourselves, or anything. Definitely letters.

If you find that reply offensive, I'm sorry you're offended...so easily. :-)

Offensive? Hah! Not at all.
You have such a weird perspective.

I ain't bothering to learn all 247 letters of the ltbg salad.

*248

Update: *254

Breaking News: *256

Why so much focus on the fringe? The gigantic preponderance of people are heterosexual. Every one of us got here because of it. On the one hand, denying alphabet sexuality the equal treatment we profess to believe in is hypocritical. If someone wants to identify as a fruit basket and go off into the corner to abuse themseves with produce, what's it to you? On the other hand, why are we putting so much time, energy and attention into this issue when there are much larger and more dire issues to address? Why are we dragging this into the spotlight and trying to ram it down everyone's throat?

"Everyone one of us got here because of it"

Yes, heterosexual couples make gay babies, if you have a problem with heterosexuality, maybe talk to them?

?? I don't have a problem with heterosexuality or homosexuality. I don't understand why any of this receives so much attention.

People who are not heterosexual have been vilified, persecuted, imprisoned, abused and murdered for nothing more than their gender and who they're attracted to.

When a group of people in society are discriminated against and hurt by people who have no compassion for them, surely it is right that that is addressed?

Are you suggesting that it's ok for people to be excluded, abused and murdered because of who they happen to be attracted to or how they identify and we should just ignore because other issues exist?

You're right. STOP THE WORLD. Nothing else matters. Forget cancer, COVID, the economy and the ever expanding debt, wars and famine all over the world -- *this the issue we must drop everything else to address.

Oh, you didn't say that?

Neither did I say injustice is okay. The question, Mr Straw Man, is the degree to which this is being elevated. The idea that this issue affecting less than 10% of the population should command more attention than issues affecting the population at large is as indefensible as the injustices suffered by the alt sexed.

If it doesn't directly affect you and you have no compassion for the people it hurts, I can see why you are confused.
As I see it, you have two options:

1) Educate yourself on the issues using neutral or supportive resources, be open to learning, understanding and caring. Ideally, become an ally.

2) Continue with your current level of knowledge, current attitude, feel free to stop paying attention if you can't bring yourself to care. Ideally don't try to stop other people from educating themselves and caring by sharing misinformation.

Back in reality studies show that 60% of homosexuals were sexually abused by the same gender in childhood. 85% of homosexual males had an overbearing mother and distant father. A large majority of homosexuals have a serotonin imbalance.
It's not a natural state. It should not be treated like one.
It is harmful to the individual (highest group for STDs, depression, suicide, poverty, etc...etc), family (having to deal with the fallout from above), and harmful to the community at large (spreading of diseases, insurance premiums)

Sources? (Obviously not Conservapedia)

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/study-homosexuality-linked-with-childhood-trauma
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11501300/
https://fathersforlife.org/dale/childhood_of_homosexual_men_3.htm
https://www.livescience.com/13408-brain-chemical-serotonin-sexual-orientation.html
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/11/031118074946.htm
Brain chemistry does affect sexuality

LiveScience- Interesting article, it does say this though.. "An unavoidable question raised by our findings is whether [serotonin] has a role in sexual preference in other animals," the authors wrote in the paper. But one of the co-authors, neuroscientist Zhou-Feng Chen of Washington University, cautioned against forming hasty conclusions about the potential influence of this neurotransmitter on human sexual orientation.

PubMed- "In research with 942 nonclinical adult participants" Correlation is not causation, this is far too small a number for you to infer what you are claiming from the data.

LifeSite- Biased Christian nonsense.

FatherForLife- anecdotes from angry men about the behavior of their ex-wives.

ScienceDaily-The research team theorized that hypothalamic differences may reflect biological differences between men with strong sexual orientation differences. In order to determine whether such differences might exist, they gave the men doses of Prozac, a drug that selectively inhibits the reuptake of serotonin in the brain. At another time point, the researchers also administered a placebo to the men. Neither the researchers nor the subjects were aware of which substance they were given.

They were tested 90 minutes after having received the drug or the placebo. The subjects were also administered radioactive glucose, which provides a marker for a Positron Emission Tomography (PET) brain scan to det­ermine where in the brain the drug acted to inhibit the reuptake of serotonin. The heterosexual men had a much stronger response in the hypothalamus to the Prozac than did the homosexual men, a finding that suggested that men with strong sexual preferences have differences in the ways in which the neurotransmitter serotonin works in their brains.

So, you've sourced evidence that sexuality is innate, not a mental disorder. That should shut up some proportion of the con crowd.

Stop denying sources and deny the facts. Research the facts provided by the articles instead of throwing them out unread.

The evidence in the last part only shows a difference in brain chemistry, many mental disorders have brain altering effects the longer they are endured.

"Stop denying sources and deny the facts. Research the facts provided by the articles instead of throwing them out unread."

Eh?? I did not deny the sources, you quite intentionally shit-sandwiched some scientific sources with religious and anecdotal nonsense which has no merit. I know this because I wasted x minutes of my life reading it; don't judge me by your own sloppy standards.

Emmm no. Some of the sources are religious sites, but they reference scientific studies done by atheists. Please actually read the articles.

It is not a lack of compassion or education. This issue is not important enough to demand this much attention from the majority.

"This issue is not important enough to demand this much attention from the majority."
Correct, and this is the problem for those who want to make a big deal of it.
Because it affects them they must justify why the majority should pander to them or whatever idea they espouse on the matter. They cant just leave you to leave them be.

It is your lack of both education and compassion that causes you to say that.

What if you have it backwards? What if your education is so narrow that your sense of priority is warped and biased? Have you no compassion for people who are suffering unless they alt sexed? Why is minority suffering more important than majority suffering?

Your libtard condemnation means less than nothing.
You are neither educated or compassionate, you are simply insane, trying to create chaos because you can create nothing else.

Ah, you hate disabled people and think it's fine to bastardize the slur 'retard' and use it in a weak attempt to offend people with a different political view. KKK, are you?

Of course you know all about my education and emotions, internet creep.

Yup, that's it, trying to create chaos. It's just so funny to watch bigots like you wet themselves in fear while running around in circles, you're like a really funny lawn sprinkler.

Oh no! People are being allowed to have consensual relationships with other adults and you don't like it. The world's ending!

See, again, no, it doesn't. Y'all need to learn what words mean.

"Trans" means "on the other side of". Transylvania, on the other side of the Sylvanian woods. Transgender, the idea being you're on the other side of the gender you were previously assumed to be.

Opposite of "trans" is "cis" which means "on the same side of".

I wonder if they even appreciate that they're getting free online tuition?..

Maybe that's our mistake. If we charge them for this, then they'll want their money's worth and value the information we're giving them?

Although in your particular case, the letter T stands for tone deaf, ugh, I would rather just leave it there but I'm honestly not sure it's fair to assume you are smart enough to understand that I mean tone deaf to important societal issues.

How do Kindergarten teachers cope?..

It means that a person is attracted to two genders, not that there only exist two genders. Besides, pansexual is a word that had been in use for some time now for that reason.

Well, to be clear, science affirms there are only two genders. This meme is simply pointing out the inconsistency of LGBTQ propaganda.

Wrong on both counts, but to repeat: what the meme shows is that you don't know what the words mean, not that LGBTQ people have done anything wrong.

Someone who believes in any more than two genders does not have the moral or logical high ground to call me “wrong.” No one can be wrong when truth is relative, according to your worldview.

But I’m not here to debate in the comment section of imgflip. Like the meme or move along. You’re wasting your time.

I wondered how long it would be before you turned up...

He did not 'come up with the idea of gender', he just created the terms 'gender identity' and 'gender role'. The behavior of one person with one patient decades ago does not invalidate the lived experience of countless people.
His patient wouldn't have needed help in the first place if he hadn't, like so many other American infant boys, been genitally mutilated by someone else in the first place. I don't see you making a fuss about that.

Uhhh, I'm completely against male and female genital mutilation. I think it creates trauma in children that is negative with unknown results that may be lifelong. So I'm totally with you on that.

But turning him into a girl that so depressed him he committed suicide, ain't no great result either, hence him joining the 40%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money

So you wouldn't have any son you had circumcised? Well that's something. Yeah, I've seen research saying that it can potentially cause brain damage resulting in lifelong depression.

It's not really surprising, it's utterly overwhelming a newborn's still developing brain with neurotransmitters.

Quack quack quack.
Neurotransmitters hahahahahahaha.
Honk honk.

Hah! Are you trying to prove that circumcision can cause psychological problems?!

I love how a "change my mind" meme turned into "I'm not here to debate" in like two comments.

I can’t really debate self-defeating arguments.

Then why do you keep making them?

Seek the truth, my friend.

I'm not your friend and you should look up words before you even mention truth.

It is honestly sad to me that you do not see the irony and doublespeak of your comments. You’re trying to dogmatically convince me not to be dogmatic. You can’t act like a champion of truth if you don’t have any standard of truth.

he/she ran out of arguments fast xD

"It is honestly sad to me that you do not see the irony and doublespeak of your comments. You’re trying to dogmatically convince me not to be dogmatic. You can’t act like a champion of truth if you don’t have any standard of truth."

Have you read Orwell or are you just bandying around terms you don't understand?

There's no debate: you don't know what the words mean. There's no world view or high ground to discuss, your meme was factually garbage.

Genders aren't something you believe in. I could say I don't believe in heterosexuality, do you think that would have any impact on whether or not it exists?

And I could identify my gender as attack helicopter but I still couldn't fly.

The irony with your comment is that it goes both ways. It doesn’t really matter what YOU believe. It matters what’s true. So seek the truth.

(Side note: I actually don't believe in heterosexuality. With enough alcohol and the right friend with the right mood and suddenly, it's all a house of cards and it always was. That's a whole separate discussion, though.)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Of course YOU don't. probably feel the same thing about pedophilia and bestiality. Derp just depends on how much you had to drink and the right mood!!!!

Jeez just because he’s questioning his own sexuality doesn’t mean straight people don’t exist😂

Oh here we go with the 'I can't tell the difference between consensual sex between adults and the rape of children and animals so I'm gonna conflate them'. Are you clutching your pearls and thinking of the children?

Oh no, adults having consensual sex, the humanity!

You actually just come across like you've been married to someone that lost interest in banging you decades ago and you're mad jealous.

Oh yes, nothing slippery slope about antithesis' everyone is gay with enough alcohol bs.

It seemed to me that Antithesis was implying that people lower their inhibitions after drinking alcohol and would be more likely to engage in consensual sexual activity that they wouldn't usually feel confident enough to engage in.

If you read something else into it maybe that's a reflection of your perspective?

You're still sharing that bigoted, ignorant bs then. Do you think the logical conclusion of you having human rights is raping a kid?

He sleeps with trannies.

And roofies.

Name a third set of reproductive organs.

Any intersex genitals.

Excuse me, I meant genitals that you can have at birth (assuming there’s no genetic malfunction, which is obviously a whole different thing).

I don't think you know what "intersex" means. I am talking about a things that happens at birth.

My bad, I apologize. Anyway, that is a genetic malfunction, which doesn’t define a gender.

Ok, so, their gender should be "undefined"? Shall we get the DMV to add the letter U on their driving license?

I guess I’m not really sure how I feel about that; thanks for making me think. Here’s my point, though: there are not 200+ genders because someone said they exist. In nearly all cases, you have a p**is or a va**na.

You're kind of close to getting it, actually. Even with your mindset, even with your assumptions, your own reasoning has already put your finger on the fact that "male/female" might be an inadequate dichotomy in a certain situation - that there might be some good reasons why male/female might not make sense for an individual.

Now imagine that, with some thought and research, you can think of another situation where a gender binary seems odd, then another, then another, over about a hundred and fifty years of study. Because that's how long it's been, by the way, since this became a field of Western scientific research.

And to someone who hasn't studied it, it seems like "where did all these 'new' genders come from?"

Well, it came from moments exactly like what you just experienced. All across human medicine with all the weird and wonderful things our bodies and minds can do if a hormone is out of balance, or a protein isn't expressed, or a neurochemical is made, or who knows what else - is it really so difficult to believe that weird things happen with sex and gender?

“You’re kind of close to getting it...”

I’ll have to do some more research, but what I really don’t find to be true, is when people who are born with regular genitalia say that they are a gender other than male/female. They’re allowed to do that because of the first amendment, but I don’t understand why someone would want to do that. Also, idk why my comment got censored; they’re just body parts.

You don't have to understand them, to be honest. Truth be told, THEY might not understand: some people NEVER find out why they just can't identify psychologically with what their body presents as physiologically. There could be so many reasons for it - some as simple as, there could have been a bacteria present in the birth canal when they were born that activated a gene expression that is not present for most people. Try to realize - if you want to understand and establish that level of detail for EVERY transgender person on the planet, that is never going to happen. Meanwhile, they need to get on with their lives; whether you understand them or not, they have exams to pass, jobs to work, houses to buy, and families to raise.

What we DO understand, though, is that if you just *ask* a person what gender they are, they stop killing themselves. And I don't know if you can follow this bit, but saving lives is a good thing in medicine.

Hahaha.

"propaganda"

propaganda
[prɒpəˈɡandə]
NOUN
information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view.
"he was charged with distributing enemy propaganda"
synonyms:
information · promotion · advertising · advertisement · publicity · advocacy ·

The lgbtq+ community are not trying to promote a political cause or point of view.

I mean, unless you are arguing that having equality is propaganda...

Oh yes, no political cause or POV whatsoever!

I thought you said you could spot sarcasm?..

Omg, how are we back here again?! It's a person reading kids a story.

The story was about a worm, we thoroughly examined this content and after careful consideration, came to the conclusion that the only injustice was forcing a worm to live in a doghouse!

Honestly, I never scrolled up to see what you responded to.

Like the one admitted, it's about normalizing kids to these freaks. It's literally child abuse to put young innocent minds in front of these demons. I don't care what two consenting adults do in the bedroom. I don't care if an adult chooses to cut off their genitals but leave the f**king kids out of it.

Yes, I agree with "it's about normalizing kids" to drag queens. You're right that there's potentially an issue with putting young innocent minds in front of these demons although I would argue that it's not necessarily fair to put older drag queens in front of them either. Still, if they want to read stories to kids they are perfectly capable of making an informed decision about it. I'm sure they are aware of the risks.

"Science affirms there are only two genders"

Source? (Not Conservapedia. Obviously.)

Nope. It means a person is attracted to BOTH genders. So either there are exactly two genders, or one cannot be "Bi-sexual".

"Bi" has NEVER EVER meant "both". A bicycle does not have both wheels, it has two wheels.

The prefix for "both" is "ambi". Ambidextrous people are both right-handed and left-handed. What you are describing would be termed "ambisexual" and I've never heard any demand for that to be put into common use.

Octavia and I had to explain the difference between circles and spheres a few days ago, it's like these people are somehow yet to discover The Rest Of The Internet.

Unfortunately I believe you.

I didn't say "Bi" meant "Both"."Bi" means "Two". So a Bisexual is attracted to two genders. As in BOTH of them.

Now make up your mind: Are there two and only two genders, or can a person not be bisexual?

Yes you did, and the rest of your comment has been very clearly addressed elsewhere on this page.

Where did I say that?? I said a bisexual person was attracted to both genders, I didn't say "bi" meant "both". Which implies there are two genders, not three, or eighty-seven, or aleph-null.

Are you going to answer my question: Are there two and only two genders, or can a person not be bisexual?

Or do you prefer to keep discussing the whichness of why?

Look, if you want to be good at these kinds of arguments, you have to do your homework first - backpedaling when you've been caught on not knowing is just not the way to go.

And it should be obvious by now that your buddies who told you that this was a clever way to win arguments didn't know either. And at some point, it's really on you if you keep taking ideas from people you already know to be wrong.

"The whichness of why..."

You keep hammering on the same deliberate misinterpretation, instead of answering a simple question. You are the one backpedalling.

You think you're clever? You're not.

Over & out!

So... you've realized you don't have a leg to stand on and you're hopping away? Okay.

I was half expecting him to say "we'll call it a draw!"