How Not to Get Shot & Killed By The Police!

Just sayin...

Just In case there is anyone that doesn't understand your reference, I'm posting a link to it...

https://youtu.be/OEvMc-K8XHY

Had I seen this in my youth it might have saved me a couple of ass woopings and alot of time and money.

I mean, if poc get shot 2.5 times more often than white people who are breaking the law, which they do, you are actually right.

Feel free to pretend otherwise if it fits your fragile white narrative though. :)

Probably because black people break the law more. Cry “racist” as many times as you want.

So breaking the law gives the cops license to kill you now?

Also, ffs read up on the correlation between poverty and crime and also how poc have been prevented from inheriting wealth the way white people have.*

*Obviously this is only one example of the racist reasons poc are more likely to be worse off financially, if you don't like it I have more.

If a gun is pulled on you (most of the police killings) I think you have a right to pull a gun of your own.

Having the right to pull a gun on the police obviously only helps if you actually have one:

Antwon Rose, 17, unarmed
Marquis Weems, 17, unarmed
Isaiah Lewis, 17, unarmed
Michael Jerome Taylor, 17, unarmed
Jalon Johnson, 17, unarmed
Joseph Edward Haynes, 16, unarmed
Kameron Prescott, 6, unarmed
Armand Garcia-Muro, 17, unarmed
Jordan Edwards, 15, unarmed
Saraih Marie Lane, 17, unarmed
Isaiah Murrietta-Golding, 16, unarmed
Elena "Ebbie" Mondragon, 16, unarmed
Christian Andrew Redwine, 17, unarmed
Jose Raul Cruse, 16, unarmed
David Joseph, 17, unarmed
Ciara Meyer, 12, unarmed
Jeremy Mardis, 6 unarmed
Devon Guildford, 17, unarmed

66 of the 98 children killed by police since 2015 have been poc, the majority of deaths despite being a minority of the population.

I didn't include the kids 'armed' with toys or the kids armed with knives and other weapons, despite the fact that they could have been subdued without being shot. Did you know that the British police actually gave American police a lesson on how to do that?

"A few bad apples"? "All lives matter"?

I've seen the numbers that a larger % of white criminals are shot compared to black criminals, so I don't think those examplatory points are valid. Also you don't know the exact situation of all those cases.

Provide more excuses, Dobbsy.

Has anyone else noticed that socio-economic class plays as big a role as race?

Breonna Taylor was sleeping (she was a woman but still)

her boyfriend shot at the cops, because of a no knock warrant, she was shot on accident and her boyfriend injured a cop before they started shooting.

she still got shot without breaking the law though

also they had the wrong house

they had the right house dumbass they were investigating a package being delivered from a well known druggie who gave he package to them

source?

But that's not relevant because it doesn't fit the fragile conservative narrative.

most people already obey the law but he cops are racist

>law involves not being poor
>law involves not using medicinal marijuana
>law involves making sure the prison industry can stabilize the u.s. economy

hmm...

they already do that, but the cops don't give a f

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) if you do what the cops say 99.9999% of the time you won't get shot also have common sense don't carry any mockups of guns around, don't let your kids get hyper realistic ones either be a responsible person all around and you wont cause protests and riots lol.

So it was 12 year old Tamir Rice's fault for getting shot by the cops because he was playing with a toy gun?

Playing with a toy gun = pointing an airsoft gun at people in a public area. The gun was missing its orange barrel, making it look like a real gun. Had the barrel been in place, the police might not have shown up.

And then a mentally unstable police man shows up to check out the situation. He was unfit for duty, but sadly, he was sent. He was the one who shot Tamir Rice.

So we have a kid going around a public area pointing what looks like a real gun at civilians and a mentally unstable cop being sent over, but it was racism that killed him? Sure, dude.

No, the caller that reported it said he thought it was fake.

I'm not remotely surprised that you are demonising the black kid and sympathizing with the white cop. What's your attitude when a black guy shoots someone? Are you sympathetic? Do you consider his mental health and circumstances?

yeah. if it was the other way around, if the cop was black and the child was white, then these people would have wanted him to go to prison for life.

EXACTLY!!!

Nice fantasy.

That moment when stating the facts is demonizing black people. Oh wait. It already was.

Yes. I consider mental health. But you guys are blaming racism for the crime that was committed against Tamir Rice even though there’s plenty of reasons for it to be otherwise.

The police have killed 98 children since 2015, 66 of those were poc;
the majority of deaths despite being a majority of the population.
Were none of those racism either?

These are just the kids who were unarmed.*

Antwon Rose, 17, unarmed
Marquis Weems, 17, unarmed
Isaiah Lewis, 17, unarmed
Michael Jerome Taylor, 17, unarmed
Jalon Johnson, 17, unarmed
Joseph Edward Haynes, 16, unarmed
Kameron Prescott, 6, unarmed
Armand Garcia-Muro, 17, unarmed
Jordan Edwards, 15, unarmed
Saraih Marie Lane, 17, unarmed
Isaiah Murrietta-Golding, 16, unarmed
Elena "Ebbie" Mondragon, 16, unarmed
Christian Andrew Redwine, 17, unarmed
Jose Raul Cruse, 16, unarmed
David Joseph, 17, unarmed
Ciara Meyer, 12, unarmed
Jeremy Mardis, 6 unarmed
Devon Guildford, 17, unarmed

I didn't include the kids 'armed' with toys or the kids armed with knives and other weapons, despite the fact that they could have been subdued without being shot.

*For any conservatives that care enough to research these kids, the kids in the list I shared are not exclusively poc, they are just the kids who were unarmed. I'm not sure these boxes allow enough space to share the names of all the non-white children's names.

you can have as many excuses as you want, but you can't hide the fact that A COP SHOT AND KILLED A CHILD

Yes. Nice job. The cop killed a kid. Still going to blame racism?

Do you have any idea what it feels like to see a child point a weapon at you? It’s a simple yes or no question.

Antwon Rose, 17, unarmed
Marquis Weems, 17, unarmed
Isaiah Lewis, 17, unarmed
Michael Jerome Taylor, 17, unarmed
Jalon Johnson, 17, unarmed
Joseph Edward Haynes, 16, unarmed
Kameron Prescott, 6, unarmed
Armand Garcia-Muro, 17, unarmed
Jordan Edwards, 15, unarmed
Saraih Marie Lane, 17, unarmed
Isaiah Murrietta-Golding, 16, unarmed
Elena "Ebbie" Mondragon, 16, unarmed
Christian Andrew Redwine, 17, unarmed
Jose Raul Cruse, 16, unarmed
David Joseph, 17, unarmed
Ciara Meyer, 12, unarmed
Jeremy Mardis, 6 unarmed
Devon Guildford, 17, unarmed

66 of the 98 children killed by police since 2015 have been poc, the majority of deaths despite being a minority of the population.

I didn't include the kids 'armed' with toys or the kids armed with knives and other weapons, despite the fact that they could have been subdued without being shot. Did you know that the British police actually gave American police a lesson on how to do that?

"A few bad apples"? "All lives matter"?

Yes.

My turn, have you ever shot a child? It's a simple yes or no question.

No, thankfully not. But almost.

Wow.

How great to live somewhere with easy access to weapons even if it means you have to kill a few kids, eh?

Conservatives- "All Lives Matter"
Liberals-"What about these ones?
Conservatives-"No! We weren't talking about those ones."

If you care, here’s how it went...

I heard a noise in my back yard one night. I have two young children so I wake easily and pay attention to things. But since it was late I took one of my pistols with me. We live in an affluent neighborhood but there had been a string of break-ins and I’m not taking chances. I went out into my back yard and found two teenage boys and one of them was holding what turned out to be a replica handgun, pointing it at me. My training taught me to not second guess myself, it was a gun and they were pointing it at me. I nearly fired until they ran away and climbed my gate to get away. In the dark I couldn’t tell the difference between a real gun and a toy. Was I prepared to take chances? Hell no, I have a family to think about and these kids were presenting a threat.

Would I have felt bad for shooting under those circumstances? Not in the least because I in good conscience perceived a threat.

Would you rather live somewhere that kids have easy access to guns making you feel the need to take a gun into your garden or somewhere that they don't?

Trouble is pretty rare Where I live but I don’t take chances. I have seen how evil people can be and want to protect my family from that.

Wow, just wow. Surely you aren’t calling me a racist because I happen to disagree with you on some things...

Of course he is, he's a leftist.

That’s pretty funny. If this person knew anything at all about me they would feel pretty silly for even thinking that.

"Which are you, Dobbsy?"- Syd the Sloth

Not only did you ask a question at the end of a thread so I couldn't reply to it but your question didn't even make any sense, even considering the comment originally above it.

Take a deep breath, work out what you want to ask and then use your words.

No, I'm not.

"That’s pretty funny. If this person knew anything at all about me they would feel pretty silly for even thinking that."

I don't think that, contrary to his apparent beliefs, Syd doesn't actually get to speak for me.

I was referring to you, not addressing you.

LMFAO

Did you bother to ask why I nearly shot a child before you started pointing fingers?

Because sometimes it's ok to kill kids? Out of curiosity are you pro-life or pro-choice?

It’s never okay to kill someone but sometimes bad people do bad things and force us to defend ourselves. I honestly don’t care what you do with your body. You take care of your business and I’ll take care of mine.

Which are you, Dobbsy?

A toy gun? That looked like an actual weapon. Have you see it? It wasn't some colorful plastic toy. It was a replica.

But if Tamir Rice was white the cop wouldn't have shot him. But since he was black the cop shot him without hesitation.

You don't know that.

It is significantly more likely based on the statistics.

Regardless, no one knows that.

You're right, we can't know everything. The inability to know some things is why we gather data and examine statistics, it enables us to shape our behavior towards things we may not have directly experienced and make decisions about them.

If the data says that the police are killing a disproportionate number of poc, which it does, this enables the problem to be examined and decisions made to improve it.

No they're not. The high rate of black criminality is a factor. And yet still more whites get killed than blacks. Whites have a higher % of the population, yes, but black people cause 53% of all murders while only representing 13% of the population. And up to 3x over represention in nearly all crime stats. Yet they still don't get killed as much as whites. Sorry to disrupt your delusions.

Since 2015 the police have shot and killed 98 children, 66 of them were not white.

He was playing with a pellet gun in a park, the caller that reported him said he thought it was a fake gun, despite this the cops arrived and immediately shot him.

Have you seen it?

Yes. He's a kid messing about in what looks like an empty park, the cops pull up unnecessarily close to him and immediately shoot him.
The call handler repeatedly asked if he was black or white despite the caller giving a detailed description of what he was wearing and there being nobody else nearby. Obviously his skin color is part of his description but the fact that poc are 2.5 times more likely to be shot by cops makes it an issue.

"if you do what the cops say 99.9999% of the time you won't get shot" That's based on what exactly?

nothing, i just meant its extremely unlikely

What were you basing that on? Where's the data?

alright bet

Is that supposed to mean something? Y'know, even if your username wasn't I'm_New_To_Debating, I think people would be able to tell.

? did you not see the percentages i put down below

I wrote that before you shared them.

here's the percentage of people who got killed in the u.s so far in 2020
0.0000013, 429 deaths this year.

over 20 years there have been 28k killings by police and 13,000,000 arrests if you calculate that as a percentage its 0.002

Yeah, if you calculate it as a percentage it almost doesn't make the police look like trigger-happy bullies who suffer from an inflated sense of superiority because they feel that the law is on their side. Isn't math incredible?

Did you know that police departments reporting how many people they've killed to the FBI is voluntary?*

"The federal government has kept no comprehensive record of killings by police officers, even as a series of controversial deaths set off unrest in cities across the country over the past two years. An annual voluntary count by the FBI of fatal shootings by officers has recorded only about half the true number."

*I can't find any information that says this has been updated.

here you go https://fatalencounters.org/

i compared this to population size which wasn't accurate so i did the other one which is further down.

So the police killed almost 100 kids just because they weren't doing what they were told?
Including two 6 year olds?

Antwon Rose, 17, unarmed
Marquis Weems, 17, unarmed
Isaiah Lewis, 17, unarmed
Michael Jerome Taylor, 17, unarmed
Jalon Johnson, 17, unarmed
Joseph Edward Haynes, 16, unarmed
Kameron Prescott, 6, unarmed
Armand Garcia-Muro, 17, unarmed
Jordan Edwards, 15, unarmed
Saraih Marie Lane, 17, unarmed
Isaiah Murrietta-Golding, 16, unarmed
Elena "Ebbie" Mondragon, 16, unarmed
Christian Andrew Redwine, 17, unarmed
Jose Raul Cruse, 16, unarmed
David Joseph, 17, unarmed
Ciara Meyer, 12, unarmed
Jeremy Mardis, 6 unarmed
Devon Guildford, 17, unarmed

66 of the 98 children killed by police since 2015 have been poc, the majority of deaths despite being a minority of the population.

I didn't include the kids 'armed' with toys or the kids armed with knives and other weapons, despite the fact that they could have been subdued without being shot.

its more likely that it was a accident or the kid was grabbing for a gun or taser doesn't change the fact its a unbelievably low chance of getting killed.

Some of the kids including one who was unarmed, were tasered *before* being shot.

i can't imagine why that would happen i condemn that much force but it makes you think why they would use that much force.

Yeah, I suppose if you are the kind of person that wants to be cruel and you want to decrease the likelihood of anyone stopping you, the police force is a pretty ideal job.

i feel like there are some instances where it was warranted but also i couldn't come up with any specific reasons.