You can riot now, or you can riot later against people who had nothing to do with it.

This might sound elitist, but if the national level of intellect is represented by what we heard of the bystanders on the phone video from Minneapolis, we're all pretty much f**ked.

No, I've decided that the extreme cold of Minnesota has frozen the outer layers of their brains. How else do you explain Stuart Smalley?

Can I upvote this 10 times?

“Punch a Nazi” was just to bully opinions, posers and trolls, not real Nazis. For years, they’ve not been heroes, they’ve been monsters.

Senseless violence. What do I know... I'm just a 17 y/o guy some may say.... but something has gotta give in this world. I think I'm old enough to be right about this. God can use this mess for good someday.

Is that you Epic?

Who's Epic?

You mentioned you were 17 yo, thought you might be a memer of faith who had to drop out for a while returned with another user name. All good. Thanks for your comments.

Gotcha. No, sorry...I'm new here and still trying to figure out if this site is a good fit for me. Love making memes and am going to enroll in graphic design classes now that I graduated... just trying to find my passion and see if I'm any good at such things. Hope you find your friend. Blessings 😎

Just a word of caution, there are some vicious people here who will attack your faith with an intensity that even surprises me. Their hatred for all things Christian is unsurpassed. We can be salt and light, but it's best to have the full armor of God and realize exactly what you are up against. I can contact my young friend, but he came on here in defiance of his parents wishes for the same reasons you express and decided to do the right thing instead of continuing.

I see. My parents sadly don't care what I do. They are not believers and rarely around. I am allowed unlimited access to the internet and everything else, but i try to be careful on the web. My grandparents have always been active in my life and when my parents flake out...which is quite often and take one of their extended vacations... my grandparents take over. Poor them (lol). My parents are well off and love to do whatever they want. My grandparents on the other hand are God fearing ppl who keep me in line... and my g-pa will bust my butt if i get in trouble or stray in my faith. They have been amazing in my life. Yeah, I have seen attacks on sites like this on ppl of faith. Sadly, my parents have attacked my faith for so long that I am sorta use to things like that. It stinks but you learn to fight for what you believe in. I try to do it in a nice way....g-pa tells me to watch myself on the web so I don't get in trouble or anything. I'm glad at least they care and I do my best. Thx for the advice. Nice to meet someone friendly on here.

“Punch a Nazi” has seen people kicked and punched for years for what they think and say. Heroes of Zero Tolerance. But when faced with the real deal, we learn that advocates were just bullies who punched posers and trolls when it favoured them and they could get away with it. When George Floyd needed it, “Punch a Nazi” did not occur to stop that man’s slow death. He slowly died. If this was nothing new, where was the punch?

because they were a small group, there was cops with batons and guns and other shit, if they tryed to then the racist scum of those cops would attack them to

And the cops would have had to focus on more than Mr. Floyd. Fear of getting bruised let the cops casually watch Mr. Floyd die for 9 minutes. 4 cops (I think there were more) 6 people do something to get cuffed and Mr. Floyd's situation would have changed, maybe he would have been able to roll over on his side while the cops were diverted. It's obvious doing nothing resulted in his death by cop.

Agreed.

They tried to get the police to stop. You don't physically intervene because then you're "assaulting a police officer" and are as likely to be restrained/killed as the original victim. The best they could do under the circumstances was record it so the police couldn't lie about him being a threat after the fact to get out of the murder charge. It was a sad, no win situation for the witnesses.

If I saw this, and saw the officers not letting up, and heard the man saying he couldn't breathe, I would have thrown my f-ing smart phone at them, I would have caused enough problems that they would have had to deal with me and any one else with courage to join in so that they would have changed what they were doing to Mr. Floyd. Sometimes yelling isn't enough. Watching someone die sin't good enough. It's called altruism- giving of self for the well being of another.

What if Mr. Floyd was being held down by an armed thug instead of a police officer?
It’s easy to say how your would act as an anonymous face on the Internet. But if you were actually there facing someone armed with guns and also had authority to arrest you or worse, I doubt you would be so “courageous”.

Oh for crying out loud, do I have to give you my life story? I have stood up in the face of peril that makes you think about wetting your pants. I have gotten the living shit beat out of me for standing up for someone who was getting beaten. No f-ing smart phones to record the destruction, damn. Guess I should just stand back with all the fear filled gutless cowards and wring my hands while another human being dies and think, oh golly , sure glad it wasn't me that time. Guess I'll go burn an Autozone to show how much I care.

You’re right, I don’t know your life story so I assume you’re an average joe who doesn’t go around interfering in police business. You got beat up for standing up for someone. Good for your but be careful, one of these days you’re gonna get shot.

Fear of standing up for what is right is the fertilizer of tyranny. If people only stand up for what is easy or safe, evil triumphs every time.
No one wakes up in the morning and says, "You know what, today I'm going to be a hero." They don't wake up planning to be a victim either. The bottom line is, what will you do instinctively when faced with doing what is right no matter what the risks? That's not saying that you act blindly, certainly you minimize risk as much as possible. What are you willing to commit to protect what is right?
At minute 1, people would reasonably expect the cops to reduce the pressure on Mr. Floyd. Minute 2- vocal demands for relief. Minute 3- intensify demands, encroach the police space enmasse, try to re-direct who their perceived threat is away from Mr. Floyd and force them to focus on a crowd rather than an individual. Minute 4- time to preserve Mr. Floyd's life is too short, use all means possible to get the cop off his neck. Minute 5- death all means possible to save his life.
Specifics on the ground would determine actions. Disturbance on the opposite side of the cop car? Move closer to cops, no physical threats- use proximity to change their physical positions? Claim to be an EMT and demand to step in to care for Mr. Floyd? I don't know, but I could not stand back and watch him die.
I've come up on car accidents where people were afraid to get blood on themselves to help someone, it washes off. Sometimes just holding a pressure point can keep someone from bleeding out, but you have to be willing to get dirty. I've hopelessly watched seriously injured people take their last breaths when there was nothing I could do. And on a few occasions, I have literally reached out and saved someone from drowning or other perils. I am no hero.
Spectators do not win the game, the players do. The players also lose, but you don't know what is possible if you don't play.
Most people will never encounter anything remotely close to this situation in a lifetime, there is no handbook on what to do, no real training you can do to prepare. But there is education that can give you tools to adapt, such as Basic First Aid (anymore it's just how to put on a bandaid without getting sued) and Advanced First Aid, CPR. Basic self defense. I'm sure you can think of other ideas, so please, by all means share them with us here. The key is only action beside documenting with a phone had any chance of changing the outcome. Who knows what one could have done.

Agreed, most people wouldn’t know what to do or have the stomach for it. The bad thing is, when you’re dealing with a psycho, who’d just as soon shoot you rather than admit he’s doing something wrong, you don’t know what he would do.

Think about it, even his own coworkers on the scene didn’t step in. Maybe they would have physically prevented you from interfering or, more likely, they didn’t see what was happening and if someone like you had brought it to their attention, they would have stopped the psycho from killing Mr Floyd.

Anyway, that’s probably what I would have done — make sure the other cops knew what was happening and let them step in. But, since I wasn’t there, I really can’t tell you what I would have done for sure.

For sure. The news today is that Mr. Floyd had been killed by about 4-5 minutes after he was forced to the ground. From my experiences sometimes 5 minutes can seem like 5 seconds, other times like 5 years. You never know for sure what to do, but sometimes just initiating action inspires others who might have insights to act.
This murder is like so many others, senseless, so unnecessary, so sickening. You can tell it makes me furious, nothing can change what happened, maybe someone will see my complaint and have the courage to step up if they face a similar situation. For decades people ignored murders in NYC, when a few people stepped up to turn in criminals others stepped up and the murder rate dropped incredibly, not to zero but so much better than it was.

I heard from my family he was drunk and resisted a bit. I didn't know that. Not that excess force was necessary but it all makes a bit more sense now. It's not like he didn't do anything. Still he did not deserve to suffer and die.

So? did the cops have to pin him on the ground like that? No, they couldve just dont what normal cops did,

Agree wholeheartedly

he never resisted stupid, did you even see the video?

I'd appreciate no name calling when I fact checked that. On the video he was clearly intoxicated and resisted.

There is additional video that showed him in the patrol car resisting, then they removed him and pinned him on the ground. Nine minutes of watching him die isn't the whole story, and by no means is passing a counterfeit $20 high on meth worthy of a death sentence, but as with most situations like this there is a fairly complex chain of events that led up to his death, including the point I tried to make- the crowd could have all stepped up and encroached the cops space until they ran out of handcuffs and manpower and had to get off Mr. Floyd- no matter what he had done wrong. Could all be peaceful, but it had to be more overwhelming than shooting video on a smart phone.

He did nothing,

He was drunk and resisted bc of claustrophobia.... so they had to apply some force. Obviously too much sadly. And obviously he had counterfeit money... so definitely not completely innocent as many would have us believe.

Wonder if any of this was staged to cause more chaos in our world and make Trump lose most the black vote?? One crazy thing after another lately... almost seems like a lot of it is planned to wreck our economy & hurt Trump's chamces.

Absolutely all planned- I'll try to comment in more detail later. Great insight for a 17 y/o guy.

Great. Looking forward to your point of view. My G-PA seems to think all this is by design. I'm really getting enlightened by all this recently. This will be my first time to vote!

I def think they were way too aggressive with him... he did not deserve that. But i think something is off big time. Just don't really know what yet tho.

Hard to say. I always hope I'd do the right thing but who knows....

That's called courage. Let's also add empathy, compassion, sacrifice, and I'm sure a few more words that apply.

liberals don't even know what those things are.