American greatness, then and now.

Yeah it didn't take the suspension of civil rights to defeat Hitler. True story.

I'm going easy on you here. It's incredibly stupid to compare a respiratory disease outbreak to world war one and two. To read your memes makes me laugh sometimes but most of the time I simply shake in my head in disbelief. I can't believe there isnt a single shred of neurofiber in your brain that doesn't realize what an idiotic comparison your attempting to make. It's baffling.

There are similarities and differences you can draw between now and WWI and WWII, and other periods of our country's history.

Here's another one for you: Covid-19 is our generation's 9/11 and '08 financial crisis rolled into one: only it's much worse than both, and it's hitting all around the world at the same time.

The point is this. Previous generations of Americans came together to meet the challenges of their times, whatever they were, and we are falling down on our asses.

That is all

And the idiocy runs on, unimpeded.

There are similarities one could draw between nearly any number of unrelated issues should one so endeavor. That doesn't make the comparisons are rational or meaningful.

That is all.

You don't want to compare today's America and yesterday's America, because the comparison demonstrates how we've lost sight of what patriotism is and requires, what an entitled bunch of spoiled brats our current generation is, and what a flaming incompetent mess our country has become under Trump.

So much for Making America Great Again.

That is all.

Your definitions of patriotism are defined by actions you politically support, as you have stated "paying higher taxes", but your perverted definition of patriotism is not the definition of patriotism.

We've reached the point as a country that it's become necessary to make the basic point that we live in a society.

We live in a society that is comprised of the individual. And the individuals rights are of paramount importance which is why our governing documents restrain the government from trampling those rights.

KF89: "BE PATRIOTIC"
also KF89: proceeds to shit on America and the prez

"shit on America" lol. Admittedly, I'm not a fan of what America has become in relation to the past. Are you?

Wasn't that the entire concept of MAGA?

Anyway. As for the President: a good opportunity to repost this saying by none other than another American president.

Hope this helps

The country is the individual. Individualism is what defines America. That is what made America great, the belief that a single man can he achieve dreams of his making. That is what making America great again is about. As a country we lost that respect for individualism and grew towards a paradigm focused on collectivism. And that is what you really are scared of.

And no civil liberties forfeited

And their civil liberties?

Not celebrating it -- but we did it, and we did it in an effort to win the war.

https://www.encyclopedia.com/defense/energy-government-and-defense-magazines/civil-liberties-world-war-ii

Disgusting, and here you are minimizing concentration camps of american citizens because you believe civil rights should be paused to fight a respiratory disease. But after this is over you will gladly return to calling Trump a fascist for placing illegal immigrants in detention centers which you falsely and maliciously label concentration camps.

Lol. You said "no civil liberties forfeited," and I posted actual footage showing that is a lie. That is all.

But we don't need to intern anyone at this point. Just abide by social distancing guidelines and wear our damn face-masks. Do you think those are civil liberties violations?

Tracking and tracing would be nice, too, as other countries have successfully done. It's not going to happen here for various reasons, but that's part of the reason we've fallen so far behind.

And just like that we redpill another liberal into revealing their support for totalitarianism

"But we don't need to intern anyone at this point."

So you are okay with interning people, just not yet. Got it. So good to know.

And once again we redpill the same liberal into denouncing the very freedoms that make this country what it is and why it's so great and why so many of the world's population endeavor to live under such freedoms. As we see below, Kylie clearly states that our freedoms are why ,"we have fallen behind".

"Tracking and tracing would be nice, too, as other countries have successfully done. It's not going to happen here for various reasons, but that's part of the reason we've fallen so far behind."

So, that in a nutshell, is what Kyliefan believes and what he really seeks in American society, freedom only so long as said freedom doesn't scare Kyliefan.

I support measures that have been proven to work, and work astoundingly well at that, in other countries.

Now.

How you go from a statement like "we don't need to intern anybody at this point" to "Kyliefan supports totalitarianism"? A leap of logic and heaps and heaps of disingenuousness

I'll explain why I added the phrase "at this point." I'm talking about the present day as opposed to the *past*, which I referenced above in re: Japanese internment camps. Not the present day as opposed to the future. I can't imagine any situations in which we'd either want or need to detain people en masse, and that would be immensely counterproductive in fighting an infectious disease anyway. (Admittedly, the phrase "at this point" can be taken either prospectively or retrospectively so this clarification ensues.)

Hope this helps

The fact you like many other conservatives here on ImgFlip insist on viewing the ridiculously trivial measure of wearing a facemask as "totalitarianism" is evidence you don't really know what you're talking about.

Keep trucking with that scaremongering though, it seems to be working!

And we see Kyliefan's incessant inability to control his lying.

"The fact you like many other conservatives here on ImgFlip insist on viewing the ridiculously trivial measure of wearing a facemask as "totalitarianism" is evidence you don't really know what you're talking about."

Please point where I made any such argument. I have said repeatedly, there is no scientific support for the notion of wearing cloth masks to fight Covid-19. And there isn't.

Further people are not complaining about masks, they are complaining about being arrested for not wearing one then being put in a jail that just released criminals because of the infection. People are protesting what went from "flatten the curve" to "no ending the lockdown until a vaccine is available". People are protesting being put in jail for going to work like responsible adults.

The fact you must twist people's argument to defend your own inclination towards totalitarian measures is telling. It's even more telling that you refer to totalitarian measures of yesteryear which your praise as "measures that have been proven to work" and would endorse said measures if the times called for it.

Thank you very much. You were right. Your last post helped tremendously.

How about a violation of your right to earn livelihood? How about that? How about the countless numbers of Americans being denied that right now?

DO YOU CARE ABOUT THEM?>

What about all the people who aren't getting regular diagnoses of medical conditions? What about all the people suffering from increased alcohol and drug use, marital problems, depression, all of which lead to a greater suicide rate?

What about the 66% of cases reported in New York, of people who observed the shelter in place? How does that fit into your 100% incorrect all of the time, statistical models?

Yes, go ahead and dig up civil rights violations from the past. I agree 100% that what was done to Americans of Japanese heritage in WWII was an abomination. But to try and use that in any way whatsoever to make a point about what's going on today is misleading and disingenuous.

You really need to knock it off. (<<-- I know that will work with you, because that's what Obama said he told Putin when it comes to meddling in our elections...)

"The right to earn a livelihood." Funny phrase there, as this sounds an awful lot like a jobs guarantee. So, I'll take one from the conservative playbook and say in response: No government social distancing mandate is stopping anyone from going out there and inventing the next big start-up company that will safely deliver all the goods and services everyone needs during this crisis, or indeed, coming up with a cure for Covid-19. Plenty of money to be made there. Where's that entrepreneurial drive that made America so great?

You raise some other important issues that would in normal times be dismissed by conservatives with another bootstraps concept: that the government is not primarily responsible for anyone's marital, addiction, or mental health problems. I'd say that could be applied to a greater or lesser extent here and that the government should be *primarily* ensured with ensuring as many people as possible survive this, while the other aspects of human development should be left to individuals.

Restrictions are being eased around the country now, but I predict we'll be returning to these questions again very soon once the second wave hits.

Sorry for my slow reply KF. Seeing that goodbye meme has made me nostalgic for our discussions.

That's no jobs guarantee, in fact, quite the opposite. I didn't say, the right to be given a livelihood. I said the right to "earn" a livelihood. Why would I think a liberal could understand the difference... when will I ever learn???

The rest of what you said in paragraph #1 is what I would put into the pending category. Who's to say people aren't out there doing that? Just look at all the businesses doing whatever they can to hang on. Curbside pickup, sales, promotions, etc. Those are just the easy things. The harder things, as you described, will likely take some time, and will be slowly integrated into our culture.

As for what you claim in paragraph #2, I would agree that normally the govt is not responsible for peoples' mental state. Except in this case, they are directly responsible for an act which is causing a lot of people, a lot of problems. Not being able to take care of your family because the govt shut down your business (for questionable reasons that can be debated) would qualify in this case, imo. The govt's role is to ensure your ability to pursue happiness. Not guarantee it. If a person wants to sit on their butt all day and go broke, then the govt has no further obligation in regards to their happiness.

I wish I had replied earlier, because it's not the govt's responsibility to ensure that as many people survive this as possible. If that were true, we'd be completely shut down; sitting at home in the dark, with no running water. If that were govt's role (as I'm sure you remember I've said before) we'd all be driving down the highway at 15 mph, because that would save tens of thousand of lives every year. So yes, we as a society trade human lives for other things we collectively deem to be important, such as driving fast on the highway. And yes, when I say it that way, it sure makes it sound stupid that we're all not driving down the highway at 15 mph.

btw, even Dr. Fauci has said the second wave is not inevitable...

KF, what a word salad of stupid.

First of all, who are you to be the arbiter of what civil responsibilities I, or anyone one else is responsible for? Get off your high horse with these masks. There's plenty of data to support the notion that they not only do no good, but cause more harm.

Here's my favorite nugget of stupid (which to be fair, you're not normally prone to... lying and misdirection, yes, but stupid... not usually):

"Anti-draft isolationists and pro-Hitler sympathizers existed back then, too — only now, that way of thinking has taken over the Right."

You're conflating anti-draft isolationists from the late 30's and early 40's with people today who want to put America first? Which by way of how your sentence is constructed, also equates them with Hitler sympathizers. Unbelievable that people on your side of the aisle eat up this slop.

You're just as bad, if not worse than the mainstream media; shoving bullshit down the throats of snowflakes here on the flip who are just too ignorant to realize what you're saying. Thank gawd you don't have your own show on MSLSD. Wait, you're not really Lawrence O'Donnell, are you? Naw, no way. He can't hold his temper like you can.