Stay home for the remainder of the year, if you think it'll help. But don't participate in summer activities.

Because in a "pandemic" that's ravaging the entire world (supposedly) with disease...That's just how serious we all are about life and death GD'it...gotta have the bass no matter what!...meanwhile, hospital services around the country are being cut back due to lack of business. (P.S. Yes, Drive In Audio Sound IS still open for business and touting how they are doing part to keep use all safe. LOL!)

jobs equal food on the table and food is essential.

that's the point, all the phony outrage to close down some businesses, while letting others continue under the falseness of "essential", clearly consumer electronics are not essential, this lockdown has been GROSSLY unfair across the economy, small businesses are getting crushed because they lack the lobbying power like big business who are (mostly) allowed to continue...sarcasm much?...just read my other responses below, get the point now?

You need a nap, and maybe a brownie

good call, it is tiring...

It can be. I think I misunderstood your comment from before. I need a nap too

lol

Lol

The repercussions of this downturn are still to come. I'm watching the civil engineering industry crumble right now, numbers that will drastically affect the economy moving forward. People who thought their jobs were relatively secure, due to State government funds, are realizing that the funds are no longer guaranteed, as states' incomes are going down. Millions of people work in this industry that aren't even a part of the unemployment numbers. They will be seen starting next month and counting. Right now I'm working...until I'm not.

Here's a fun thing every morning, over coffee and your unemployment application, type this in to Google..."2020 permanently closes"...I can't wait for Elon Musk's case to hit the courts, it'll be great for cases from across the country to start making their way to the Supreme Court.

2 views and 3 upvotes?

224sns.jpg (click to show) Upvote! I agree. But I am a Senior Citizen with health issues. So please... Until the dust settles a bit more, hold off on visiting me after you have been out and about making a much deserved living.

The whole idea is to isolate the elderly and the health deprived from those who can go work and go back to "normal" life until everything subsides. I have no idea why we have issues with doing it this way, but the government (in many states) have problems with this.

Bravo, good Sir, and or Ma'am! Just as my elderly parents have been doing since this all started. They have no desire to see the world crumble on their behalf.

Usually the warning shot discourages them from ringing the doorbell.

good thing amazon has touchless delivery LOL

I got a hair cut last week. It was by appointment only. Four workers in the four corners of the shop, 15+ feet apart. Everyone wearing masks, single use aprons for the clients. The chairs were wiped down afterwards, and only nine people were allowed inside. You had to wait outside to be called when they were ready for you. I felt pretty safe, as my county has less than 30 cases, last I checked. It can be done. How soon we get things going is going to depend on how much of a risk you take. I won't be having lunch at the old folks home but I can get a haircut.

:)

Like in that old Remy song: "YOU WANT PEOPLE TO DIE!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXWhbUUE4ko
lol. haven't seen that before. thanks

LOL funniest meme in the thread. i upvote you

even as a republican myself, I think it is important to stay home if you are not essential. if not for yourself, for the babies and old folks who need to go to the store for groceries too.

I respect your opinion. I see things a little differently. For those that need to go to work for their own financial survival or survival of their business, the government should no longer interfere. Since this all began, we have learned a few things: 1. Social distancing 2. Don’t touch your face with unwashed hands 3. Wash your hands 4. Stay away from people that are vulnerable. 5. There are risks to going on with your life and there are risks to not going on with your life. You get to choose which.
For those that are vulnerable, stay inside for as long as you feel you need to. For those that aren’t vulnerable but are scared, do what you have to do, but you don’t get to dictate your fears on everybody else. There is no ‘One size fits all’ solution.

while there are risks to staying home, in my opinion, staying inside has fewer risks then going outside into crowded supermarkets. while I myself am not that scared of coronavirus, I AM scared of catching it then passing it onto a baby or senior, then they die. If you are, say, a farmer, restocker, or are in any other position there for food, water, or safety, then I understand needing to go outside for extended periods of time.

so in the end, I don't think we see anything that differently, The only difference being on what we consider to be "too risky"

On the one hand, I do see a real pandemic. People are dying. The difference between this and the flu is that we have a vaccine for the flu. Without taking some measures, this could decimate the country and the world (not that thinning the herd would be such a bad idea -- as long as it is the other guy, not me).

That said, we cannot hide in our homes forever. It isn't sustainable. The government cannot and should not support everyone. The debt is already massive. We have to consider acceptable risk & appropriate precautions, and reopen at least enough to keep currency flowing. This is the other hand I should have mentioned.

It is not 'do or not do,' it is a question of how much. We can't starve while sheltering in place, but I'm also not going to kill my loved ones because I was wrong about the seriousness of this. Sometimes, the internet needs to STFU.

I am not concerned about a loss of liberty or government overreach. I am concerned about what changes will remain when the pandemic is gone, and what they will prompt. I think we can expect to see video conferencing such as Teams and Zoom become a daily part of everyone's lives, and possibly more automation in the food supply. I think jobs will be lost, but more importantly capability will be lost. We already have college kids who can solve crazy equations but can't tie their damn shoes or wear pants correctly. The changes coming to industry and the work force are a bigger concern to me.

My opinion is this is predominantly politics, the "do's" and "do not's" are pretty predictable across party lines, the best solution as always is personal liberty, people taking care of themselves and loved ones on their own terms will inherently propagate as a good solution across the population. The 800lb gorilla in the room is that we can't get herd immunity unless we get herd exposure. Vaccines are an inactive form of the virus that can give many a lesser form of the illness, but for the infirm and very old, even the lesser form can be dangerous. What's that outcome expected to be compared to the actual native virus? How many asymptomatic individuals with natural antibodies will be at risk taking an engineered vaccine?

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/06/28/534403083/mutant-strains-of-polio-vaccine-now-cause-more-paralysis-than-wild-polio

Man's hubris is most dangerous when we think we're going to best Mother Nature.

I'm sure there's plenty of people afraid, hoping its the "other guy and not me". The reality for many people who accept the risk going out into the world is knowing "it could just as well be be me over anyone else". The odds are 99.5% anyones favor. I don't care what others are doing to protect themselves (or not), because I know I and my loved ones are covered by personal responsibility.

The influenza vaccine is only 40% to 60% effective at best, made LESS EFFECTIVE by the fact that less than 40% of the population usually even get vaccinated! And look how long we've been combatting IT! This is our first crack at COVID19, the surest defense will be the natural course of herd immunity, the first few seasons of COVID19 will be crap shoots ultimately taking its place in the ranks of same-old-same-old yearly influenza strains. We've had flu season in recent time where MANY tens of thousands have died in a single season. Yes, COVID is worse, but until this year 2017 was THE WORSE season on record, there will always be a worse season to come regardless the type of virus.

This is from a guy who's parents are in their 90's, sheltering in place for most 80-90 YO's is simply regular life. My parents are sensible enough to know this response is unnecessary for their protection, they know if it's not COVID19 today that takes them out it'll be a slip on the bottom stair step tomorrow.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/fluvaxview/coverage-1718estimates.htm

Just gotta correct you. The flu vaccines is between 9% and14% effective depending on year, and makes you more vulnerable to flu the following year.
Covid-19 has a death rate if infected of less than 0.1% in areas that have comprehensive testing and that's including all the doctors that admit they put covid-19 on all death certificates.
I agree though, if you feel threatened by it, stay home and shelter in place. The rest of us are going to live our lives.

Well you need to take that with the CDC. Anyone who bothered to refer to the links I clearly cited, can see that all I did was quote the CDC. But I’m sure know better. You want their phone number?

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/2018-2019.html
Scroll to the bottom. Last table.
64% of everyone was infected. 48% of people with the vaccine was infected. That's a difference of about 16%. Like I said if fluctuates.
So I was off by 2% from memory.

meme singlehandedly tells u.s. residents to destroy economy again

How is going back to work destroying the economy?

"those of you worried about covid, stay home"

this can mean a lot of people. it could mean people who are scared of getting the virus, or people who are worried about the curve not being flattened. in that case, that could mean the majority of america's working class. if they stay home, they don't get back to work, thus destroying the economy.

yes, it could. that's the chance we take as free society. what is most probable, and actually unfolding right now as we speak (at least my city), is a majority of working citizens are returning that still have jobs, many won't because the jobs are GONE due to the shut down, most continuing to shelter from the threat will be mostly be the elderly, followed by the infirm, sick, etc. most of whom are not part of the regular work force anyway. this pandemic will fade into the background while we continue to struggle many months or even years to come from the economic devastation.

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=2020%20permanently%20closed

https://gothamist.com/news/coronavirus-statistics-tracking-epidemic-new-york

I disagree. People say we have a service economy. I say we have a confidence economy. We saw how fast Trump turned the economy around. That was pure confidence in a businessman. Nothing else.

Dude. What’s your beef? You’re not disagreeing with me, I’m just quoting the facts. Factories and production plants are closing. 20+ million unemployed is not my opinion, it’s reality. Truth doesn’t care about your opinion

I'm disagreeing with the part about taking months or years to recover. The moment the shutdown is over the stock market is going to soar, then the economy will follow. We have a confidence economy.

I have tried explaining this very thing to my mom soo many times.

Survival of the fittest

No, nothing like that.

Just dont go to a dr when you are sick and infect them- deal?

And you don't beg for or complain you have no money and how the government is screwing you over cause you lost your job. Deal?

And if you don't give a shit because you're retired or get disability, just remember, not everyone has that luxury.

i love the people that are strong capitalist, unless they are losing money- then want a hand out so they can pay their exe's millions of dollars. How about save some of those profits for a rainy day

I didn't say anything against that. It's typically the left that begs for handouts. Not all, but most. Also, when the government pretty much forces you to take handouts, which is the case with these "stimulus checks," no reason to not take them. After all, they come out of my pay check.

You sound like you are all ready for Socialism! Good for you.
You can send yours back or donate to a local charity. Ha! A repugnant donating money- hee hee