socialism sucks

If you don't like Imgflip, then leave. Nobody wants you here anyway.

"it"? is a bit of a pain, isn't it

you'll never get rid of me lol

eyyyy i once discussed deleting my account and peeps protested.

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Why wasn't I informed??

it was a while back; in early 2019 i wanted to move on to other things. i went on hiatus instead after i got the responses

Glad you stuck around!

thanks mate :D

Keep on truckin

I did plan ahead but the gov't stole my savings, ruined my health with sucky healthcare, there is nothing on the shelves to buy. So don't tell me your b.s. about planning ahead

i'm sorry to hear it. but what does that have to do with socialism?

you really are special aren't you. there is no wealth under socialism, all but the Elite are equally poor. Resistance is futile. In the words of Lenin, "The goal of Socialism is Communism"

Both socialism & communism require a commitment to the use of force. You cannot decide what to do with the other guy’s money unless you are committed to use force to take that money from him. All socialist programs are mandatory. My friends and I get together, decide what we think is “good” then force you to participate. If you are a 25 year old with a terminal disease you are forced to contribute 12% of your wage to social security even though you will never retire. It does not matter that the difference in salary may have allowed you to do that one last thing on your bucket list. Force is a necessary pre-requisite for socialism to exist.

I believe it is because socialism, as a system, is based upon using force against your fellow citizen that it also so happens the worst atrocities visited upon citizens by their own governments have been inflicted by socialist governments. It is a matter of, as Friedman said, being true to the values socialism encourages in those living under that system. Here is a list of the largest killings in the 20th century of citizens by their own governments:

40-70 million killed. China under Chairman Mao. Single Party Socialism. 1958-61 “The Great Leap Forward”.
20 million killed. USSR under Joseph “socialism in one country” Stalin. 1936-52 “The Great Purge”.
40 million killed. USSR under all other leaders.
4 million killed. Cambodia under Pol Pot. Communist. 1975-79.
1.6 million murdered; 4 million killed in hard labor. North Korea under Kim Il Sung. Independent socialist State.
1.15 million killed. Yugoslavia under Josip ” socialist federation President” Tito. 1945-65.
1 million total killed. Ethiopia under Menghistu. Communist. 1975-1978 “The Red Terror.”
1 million killed. Indonesia under Suharto. Communist. 1966.
1 million killed from genocide; this does not include war casualties. Afghanistan under Brezhnev. Communist. 1979 – 1981.
800,000 killed. Rwanda under Jean Kambanda. 1994. Socialist.
The old expression was that “Socialism Breeds Mediocrity, Capitalism Breeds Exceptionalism.” As the numbers above show you socialism breeds a lot more than mediocrity.

i know what socialism is (you rude little twerp). but there are laws enforced in any system of gov't. people are killers no matter what the game is called.

by my question, i meant how can you blame your life on socialism? you get to make your choices. you can remake most of them if you want. why use gov't as a scapegoat? take responsibility for your choices. if you don't like your gov't, change it or choose a different one.

hey butt wipe, my life is NOT like that, because we are NOT a socialist country. I was alluding to "if:" I lived in a socialist country.

you mean your fantasy view of life in a socialist country (twerp). not that i'm a socialist. i just happen to live in a pseudo-socialist country (the US of A).

you live is a alternate universe of your own making

true. and it's real ( :

The Danes apparently have grown weary of Sen. Bernie Sanders insulting their country. Denmark is not a socialist nation, says its prime minister. It has a "market economy."

https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/denmark-tells-bernie-sanders-to-stop-calling-it-socialist/

he talks about denmark a fair bit

You do realize that these countries are not socialist, right?

If you have a legitimate plan to scale-up the Nordic model to a country the size of the US, then I'd be interested. Norway, for example, doesn't even have 6 million population. That's fewer people than live right here in the SF Bay area. And we all know how well our high tax rates and socialist policies have worked, right Nervous Nancy? (people are dying and OD'ing on the human filth covered streets in her district.)

Otherwise, I'd say that based on my visits, it seems that most of their happiness comes from living in a beautiful part of the world, and of course, getting a lot from their govt, including an incredible number of days off work each year, plus very generous parental leave. Of course there's the nearly free (to the patient) health care system, which means health care workers' incomes are controlled by their govt. That may not work in the US (said with sarcastic tone.)

So, how do they pay for all that? Let's say you earn about the equivalent of $100K US dollars in Norway. The govt effectively taxes you about 50% using a progressive tax scale, since you're a high earner. They also tax your employer at a rate of 60%. So, based on your $100K income, their govt receives $110K in taxes ($50K from you, and $60K from your employer.) Of course they have a high VAT as well. Also, it doesn't hurt that they primarily utilize hydro power for the majority of their electrical needs. As they should, when they have that much water.

But why do they need to tax their citizens so severely, when they're sitting on about $1 trillion in cash reserves, based on their sale of oil? Yes, the country that is outlawing the sale of cars that run on fossil fuel by the year 2025 is banking (as Carl Sagan never actually said) 'billions and billions' of dollars from the sale of climate changing oil. Hypocrisy isn't just the domain of the US govt and US politics.

The most obvious difference I see between Norway using the Nordic model, and the US potentially using the Nordic model, is that Norway isn't run by crazy lunatics, like we have here. Their govt actually spends money RESPONSIBLY. That is something that absolutely cannot be said about the US govt.

So, there are plenty of reasons why the Nordic model probably wouldn't work in the US, but like I said, if you have a good plan to scale up their system to work here, I'd be interested.

Great note Fat Elvis don't forget actual Border control

the reason the us can't run healthcare properly is because it's spending too much money on war

actually military spending has grow at about one third the rate Social spending has and for about two years actually decreased year over year.

that doesn't mean we're not spending too much. we shouldn't be in as many wars as we are.

Trump's hopefully ending the Afghanistan war very shortly.

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/483676-donald-trump-is-ending-endless-war

that is good news. i'll be sincerely glad if he does. it'll be good news for solving domestic issues in the united states.

eyyy somehow more guns is going to stop horrendous crimes in the middle east. both sides are being supplied with weapons, ya know

Well duh they are not using rocks anymore....so what's your pitch for peace with ISS...."please don't disembowel everyone and make snuff films. For years democrats said we were fighting the wrong war in the wrong place in Iraq and that we should be fighting in Afghanistan against the Taliban. Then when were fighting in Afghanistan and the going got tuff Democrats lost their nerve and turned on the effort they were cheerleading for. What do you people believe in?..."If we ignore ISS they will let us live"

not peace. leaving the middle east entirely

Basically leave ISS to run amock until another 3.0 k Americans are killed in a terrorist attack, the old stick your head in the sand worked great for France.

"the old stick your head in the sand worked great for France"

france is giving israel money, which is why ISS attacked.

we've spent two decades trying to decimate an abstract noun (war on terror). what is the point of it all?

Top Corporate Tax Rates In Your List of Countries

Finland Corporate Tax Rate: 20%
Norway Corporate Tax Rate: 22%
Denmark Corporate Tax Rate: 22%
Iceland Corporate Tax Rate: 20%

US Corporate Tax Before Trump: 35%
US Corporate Tax Rate After Trump: 21%

I guess these countries have the same kinda socialist ideas that Trump has

These countries have free healthcare and post secondary education and gun control. The US doesnt even have healthcare, and people are going to jail for university bribes.

These countries have extremely small and homogeneous populations in comparison the USA which makes things universal healthcare more affordable. Also, Norway, in particular has the world's largest sovereign wealth fund which generates tens of billions of dollars from OIL REVENUE which funds these social programs.

Excuses excuses.

Come on eyes shut, that's a ridiculous reply, and you know it. Norway has less than 7 million in population. Being the genius that you are, please explain to me exactly how you would scale up the Nordic model to effectively govern a country the size of the US?

You guys are ignoring that the whole system in Norway is financed with Massive Massive per capita oil sales without which the system does not exist. They also control system demand by controlling their borders.

How will you know if you don't try.

Sew your eyes shut, will ya

Canada has the same shit except for the education part. You've got yer mind sewn shut.

And Canada's wealthy come the to US for healthcare they can't get.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2016-08-03/canadians-increasingly-come-to-us-for-health-care

.01% got to US for healthcare. Quite the numbers. How about those that come to Canada for cheap insulin and who was that republican last year who came to Canada for hernia surgery? Nobody goes broke here being sick. Nice try.

"Nobody goes broker here for being sick"..

Fact: Interestingly, it turns out that research commissioned by the Canadian government shows that 15% of people over the age of 55 who declare bankruptcy cite a medical problem as the primary reason. Medical bankruptcies can, as I've been saying for a while, be driven by something other than the lack of free government provided medical care.

Canada has a great healthcare system except for orthopedic surgery for the elderly...the waiting list is forever and most come to the US for surgery...check out the orthopedic Rehab parking lots in Florida. They also have closed borders no saying "Oh the cartels are after me senor" and getting instant admission. In order to fund their healthcare system they have no military whatsoever and rely on the US to pull its citizens out of third world shitholes for them when the locals start chopping heads or a tidal wave floods half the country.

Closed borders? What you smokin' Cheech? To Europe, South African farmers, sure, but the police carry the bags of people illegally crossing the border and not many get deported.

Comparing a small homogeneous country to 350 million people which about half are obese. Yes, just excuses.

we also spend money on wars that we shouldn't be in

They also all have closed borders , and don't collect poor people from the third world to overturn the native electorates for political power.

Since when doesn't the US have health care? Free health care, no.

Power hungry socialists like Bernie can claim all they want how bad our system is, but our health care system is the usual destination for the rest of the world, when it comes to serious health issues that their socialist systems either refuses to address, or are incapable of addressing.

Just for the record Finland has the highest suicide rate in the modern world, Denmark has the highest individual consumer debit, Iceland has a massive problem with alcoholism, and Norway exports more oil than Venezuela and is smaller than Houston. Thanks to oil exports and closed borders Norway is fairly well off.

Does any of those countries have to deal with illegal immigration at the same level US does?

Not even close for all their talk of having welcoming arms they are 98% named Holthgar and Sven still. To immigrate to Canada and become a citizen you have to show your value to the country be a scientist, doctor, or have money to invest. There is a reason people from central America don't bother to go to go there and game their system its a losing proposition.

Don't you even current year?

Also Bernie praised Cuba and Venezuela, where are they on your list?

Not even those countries consider themselves socialist do they?

Both Venezuela and Cuba celebrate the great socialist revolution.