So true :(

Fascinating. And where did you see "libtard"?

Think you outed yourself, buddy.

eyy what...? they hate the two countries that settled in their place without permission?

You obviously don't know your history. Israel paid a lot of money for that land and it's rightfully theirs.

Just like you Democrats. Always defending the terrorists who want to wipe Israel off the face of the map.

"Israel paid a lot of money for that land and it's rightfully theirs"

paid who?

"Just like you Democrats. Always defending the terrorists who want to wipe Israel off the face of the map."

lmao, the linear-thinking political assumption. for a start, i'm not a democrat. i registered as unaffiliated. secondly, i'm not defending the terrorists. what i'm against is our taxpayer money going to israel.

In the 1910s, yeah.
After the establishment of the Israeli state, most has been - as still is right now TODAY - confiscated.

Here's a nifty trick: While being attacked by outside forces (and no, I am not justifying those attacks despite their motives), Israel bombed Palestinian towns, causing the people to flee. They then declared the homes abandoned and confiscated them. When the families came back - some to properties going back generations, they were told they had no right to so they can go live in a tent city in Jordan or Lebanon. Awesome idea, huh?
Oh, and just for clarification, not one shekel paid.

Please elaborate.

It’s almost as if destabilizing the Middle East, violating our own nuclear deal, and stationing a bunch of military bases outside their country tends to breed a certain amount of discontent.

Quit making excuses for murderous terrorists.

How about the United States quit MAKING murderous terrorists.

Maybe they should take responsibility instead of shifting blame on someone else like good little terrorists that they are.

How about you quit parroting popular, libertarian and liberal narratives.

"popular, libertarian and liberal narratives"

if it popular libtard narrative it bad

I never said that. However, that case for that could be made. Yes.

it's partially our fault, after all

Expound upon this. How so?

aight, so let's say some people you don't know did an atrocity in another country, and then that country came with its military to kill your children, hoping that killing your family will discourage people you don't know from killing them.

what do you do?

your country doesn't have a good education system, and you've only got your religion to hold onto, so you're incapable of thinking critically. as a consequential result of big ol' mean country with soldiers who kill children, you side with the terrorist ideology that lead to the atrocity in the first place. this happens to loads of other people as well, so your little anti-america club becomes a full on, bear-armed, terrorist group.

oh yeah, you get weapons because the company that makes weapons for the country you hate also makes weapons for the world, including you guys, essentially making itself a double-edge sword.

At slighty under a quarter of the USA's population of 330,00,000 people with 81,000,000, there are more women - yes WOMEN - in Iran studying medicince and law today that there are in America.

Sure, they got their share of not-quite Oxford bound sheepherders in the distant hills, but they - like practically the rest of the Planet save for Somalia, parts of the Serengeti, and the farthest dephs of the Congo - are better educated than the average Amercan, which as witnessed on this site doesn't take much more than a 2nd grade education in most other nations.

Of course it is. It always is to some degree, isn't it? Somehow the entire world's problems come back to the United States being to blame.

we're making enemies by going to pointless wars like the one in iraq bush started, and the one in afghanistan we're still in. it's not our fault al qaeda formed, though their ideology stems from judeo-christianity teaming up in the case of the united states helping israel with military aid.

eyyy you're like liberal twitter. no argument, just depictions of eye-rolling. again, expected better from you.

i'm also quite surprised you argue that a political party supports terrorists. that is an insane notion to aim for. quite like the argument that republicans support shooting children just because they're pro-2nd amendment. it's guilt-tripping people based on ideals. i'm not defending terrorists. i just want the united states back in the west, not in the middle east.

"i'm also quite surprised you argue that a political party supports terrorists."

If they quit giving money to them and quit pandering to and making excuses for them, I wouldn't be so inclined to think that way, but here we are and here they are, making excuses. I could put together a whole montage of mainstream media praising their "glorious General" and speaking about his as some type of god. Oh wait, I don't have to, because someone else already did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn5yON7UuSE Start at 3 min and 25 sec.

the establishment supports terrorists. that's different from saying that the party does. by the party, i meant to say the common people. the common people don't want war, nor do they support terrorists; that's for liberals and conservatives.

"we're making enemies by going to pointless wars like the one in iraq bush started, and the one in afghanistan we're still in" I believe that a majority of Iraqis would argue that they are better off without Saddam depends who you ask. I won't argue that we should not have left Iraq to their own demons after 6 months nation building is always a waste of time in the third world. In regard to Afghanistan democrats were all in until it became obvious that it was going to be tough sledding and you bailed on the troops. Apparently finishing off the Taliban that harbored and supported Bin Laden was distasteful to the left.

" regard to Afghanistan democrats were all in until it became obvious that it was going to be tough sledding and you bailed on the troops."

that is true, for the most part (don't know why you put it in second person). i certainly wouldn't have voted for the war in afghanistan

Sow/Reap

The only reason there's any kind of stability in the middle east is due to the US and our ally Israel. Muslims have hated us since the barbary power conflict with US founders in the 1800s - and have been the aggressors towards Israel since Islam's founding in 600 AD. and Israel's reestablishment as a nation in 1948.

You would never know that listening to the liberal media though, because they don't promote history, they promote lopsided narratives painting Israel as beating up on the poor Palestinians who just want to live in peace, which is itself nonsense claim.

"our" nuclear deal was actually Obama's nuclear deal and it was a joke. I don't care how many liberal Europeans or media sources think it's great. It was crap. Rogue nations like Iran do not abide by or respond to deals drawn upon paper.

Also, we've had military bases and peacekeeping forces in that region since world war two after we and allied forces evicted Hitler. Aggressive nations like Iran are precisely why those bases are there. To suggest Iranians are only aggressive for that reason does not stand to historical or rational scrutiny.

"Aggressive nations like Iran are precisely why those bases are there"

Sure.....

If your empty list on the left and full list on the right accurately reflected acts of aggression or nonaggression by Iran in the USA you would have a point, but since anyone versed in the most basic history knows it's nothing but nonsense claims or the lack thereof. You have nothing but a meme making empty claims. Iran has a 40 yr. history of unprovoked aggression. The fact that you've omitted that is clear evidence of intellectual dishonesty and confirmation bias.

Mind if you showed me a few examples of this 40-year history of unprovoked aggression?

Here is a list too numerous to post of Iranian sponsored terrorism, both direct and indirect through proxies and through Iran's own Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state-sponsored_terrorism

Here is another list of attacks carried out on Israel by Iran sponsored Hamas too numerous to list.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks

Since the Iranian Revolution in 1979, the government of Iran has been engaged in proxy wars and terrorism by training, financing, and providing weapons and safe havens for terrorist organizations such as Hezbollah in Lebanon, Hamas in Gaza, and other Palestinian groups and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command. According to Mahmoud Abbas, President of the Palestinian National Authority, "Hamas is funded by Iran. "

There are very few countries in both East and West which Iran has not had trouble with. Including those in their own Islamic traditions.

His typical reply consists of wall of text "no you're wrong because libtard"

Show me a comment where I've once used the term "libtard" I'll admit to sometimes being a little snarky in exchanges, and that's sometimes I need to work on, but never have I engaged in calling someone a libtard. Go into my comments section and pull something up and post it in a reply here if I have. The very closest I've come to that is maybe saying someone was being ignorant, and that's only because they were.

Israel IS the cause if instability in that region. That's why - SURPRISE! - none of this nonsense occurred prior.
There was no Israel when Islam was founded.

Further, sure, there where ups and downs and shifts of influence leading to the occasional bad wave, but fact is Jews were treated far better in the Middle East and Central & East Asia, etc, than they were in Europe.

Sephardic Jews, commonly referred to as Arab Jews because they live where? are Spanish Jews (Sepharda being Hebrew for Spain) that fled the Spanish Inquisition to safety in - YUP, YOU GUESSED IT! - Muslim countries.

Iranian Jews have been there before the Empire was founded, and it has the 2nd highest population of them outside of Israel.
The mistreatment of some today is on account of Israel and paranoia about it.
Prior to the Iranian Revolution, Iran was Israel's closest ally and supporter in the region.

The Nuclear Deal worked, hence why it was working but no longer is since the deal is off.

I take it basic addition, as in 2 - 2 = 0 is not your forte.

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"Israel IS the cause if instability in that region. That's why - SURPRISE! - none of this nonsense occurred prior. "

Radical Muslims can't be aggressive towards or hate a nation prior to it existing. Did you have to think about that very long? Did you also know the Klan didn't start harassing and lynching blacks until the civil war ended, ensuring their freedom and independence and voting rights? Before blacks existed in America as free - The Klan did not exist. Same Parallel.

As soon as Israel was established in 1948 after gaining independence and sovereignty, it was immediately invaded by neighboring Arab nations and experienced continued hostility from 1948 to the present. Just for that reason alone. For existing as a free and sovereign nation.

"There was no Israel when Islam was founded."

Israel is a people, not just a nation. How do you think the nation of Israel received its name? Israel is the name of Israel's patriarch, Jacob, and Jews who descended from him. I'm glad you raised this though, because Arabs have actually been aggressive towards Israel for much longer than 600 AD, but they weren't called Arabs.

Arabs are descendants of Ismaelites. The descendants of Ismael founded Islam and have been aggressive toward Israel for 3,000 years prior. So it didn't just start with Islam in 600AD.

"Further, sure, there where ups and downs and shifts of influence leading to the occasional bad wave"

This is complete nonsense. There's been consistent aggression towards the state of Israel and it's people, the Israelites, as long as Islam has existed, and 3,000 years prior. Islam definitely exacerbated the problem though. It's no coincidence and a fact that Muslims are most violent during Ramadan

e.g. Israeli war of independence, Reprisal operations, Six-Day War, War of Attrition (1967–1970) Yom Kippur War, October 1973, Palestinian insurgency in South Lebanon(1971–1982), 1982 Lebanon War, South Lebanon conflict (1985–2000), First Intifada (1987–1993), Second Intifada,(2000–2005), 2006 Lebanon War, Gaza War, (December 2008 – January 2009), Operation Pillar of Defense,(November 2012) Operation Protective Edge (July–August 2014), etc..

You call this a bad wave? Every one of these military campaigns and wars was in direct response to aggression committed against Israel. This is but a small silver of the conflicts and omits the regular rocket attacks and stabbings Israel has had to endure.

tl;dr(nth degree)

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOA DOGGY! That's some massive wall of text you got there, THREE replies worth?

Too bad I ain't reading it, tit for tat being a thang n all and knowing how you seem to be a bit dimwitted in the interpretive skillz dept.
But do tell Bibi I left a friendly reminder of his idol and inspiration from Austria to sieg heil.

ciao

Well, I don't really blame you for not responding to all of that. I probably wouldn't either. They really need to rework this comments section. It's not at all set up for these types of exchanges. At the very least, they need to add an edit button.

Um, that's not why.

Everything I stated was factual, and I'm already well versed in your basic reactionary retort of "No becuth wibawal" even when I'm 100% in total complete unabashed agreement with your delightfully contrarian self.
Sure, that was a funny couple of days waiting to see you finally go get the shovel to remove that egg pile from your face, but it also cancelled your ability to get a proper reply from me since.

Your only possible counter here was to state that I was being overly simplistic and myopic when the current cycles of antagonism with the region began with the utilization of some of the ethnicities under Ottoman rule as proxies against it during WWI, then the Nazis trying to do the same against Soviet Central Asian holdings and their neighbors during WWII, and then afterwards by the US & UK as proxies against the spread of Nasserism and again against Communist inroads into the area.

But no, you had to do the "Europe sorta something but the A-Rabs hate the Jewz since like before Rome, yo" dance.

Then you could have added that despite whatever the causes and manipulations they've endures in the past, the bottom line is that they are responsible for their own actions, and if they want to keep acting like abused children saying it's all everyone else's fault, then maybe they shouldn't complain when they are treated as such.

Sorry pal, you cant act like Israel is the center of that world but claim it has nothing to do with what it has sired in its arrogance.

" Everything I stated was factual "

I'm only responding to this part because the bulk of your post is an exercise in sophistry and irrelevant posturing.

You referenced a few independent facts, which I will agree are true e.g. Iran being Israel's ally prior to the 1979 Islamic revolution, Sehperic jews having fled the Spanish inquisition etc.. but you did nothing to assemble those facts into a larger body of apriori knowledge to argue your position in response to my initial post that you find Israel to be the cause of destabilization in the middle east.

Then why did you bother responding with 3 walls of text which I didn't bother reading because the entirety of you post was.... well, you can fill in the rest.

Skipped to the last line and there you are doing it again. Is your reading comprehension that crippled, or is this how you earn your shekels?
I TOLD you additional reasons for the instability in the region, although as you and the rest of the Likudbots have pointed out, Israel IS the center of hate in the region. Yes, there IS a reason for that. Proof/Pudding.

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"Jews were treated far better in the Middle East and Central & East Asia, etc, than they were in Europe."

The Jews have always been hated, even by Europeans. However, the antisemitism they experienced in Europe largely ceased after world war two, but has resurfaced in recent years and is *mostly* expressed through Islamic radical likes those who took over Iran in the Islamic revolution of 1979 and many currently invading Europe.

Most European nations have more than given reparations to jews they snubbed prior to world war two. However, Europe's worship of Multicutualism, allowing Islam to flourish, makes that of little use. Antisemitism has risen in Europe in direct proportion to Islam's growth. This is a fact.

"Sephardic Jews, commonly referred to as Arab Jews because they live where? are Spanish Jews (Sepharda being Hebrew for Spain) that fled the Spanish Inquisition to safety in - YUP, YOU GUESSED IT! - Muslim countries. "

Houston! We have a problem! You have some outright nonsense claims here. No *large* or *major* populations of the over 2 million Sephardi Jews currently reside in Islamic nations. None!

As a matter of fact. The largest populations of Jews who were expelled from or having fled Islamic nations have been Sephardic Jews. And when were those Jews expelled from or fled those countries? When Israel was reestablished as a nation in 1948.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries

"Iranian Jews have been there before the Empire was founded, and it has the 2nd highest population of them outside of Israel. "

This is a nonsense claim. Today, 12,000 to 15,000 Jews remain in Iran. Down from 100k to 150k, Most of which fled after the Islamic revolution in 1979. Most Jews live in the USA & Israel & account for about 80% of the Jewish population.

"The mistreatment of some today is on account of Israel and paranoia about it."

Which is a nonsense claim that doesn't stand to scrutiny. However, *if* your only sources are liberal echo-chambers - which you past history makes that a likely proposition - I can see why you'd think that. I am basing my positons on historical facts. What you are offering are bare assertions.

"Prior to the Iranian Revolution, Iran was Israel's closest ally and supporter in the region."

I completely agree with this. However, that is no longer the case and neither here nor there. Islam has completely transformed that country.

" The Nuclear Deal worked, hence why it was working but no longer is since the deal is off."

Which is nothing but an empty claim. Rogue nations like Iran don't adhere to paper agreements. If they did, they would've never attacked our embassy in Iraq or the numerous other acts of aggression they've engaged in over the past 41 years since Iran was hijacked by Islamic radicals.

Iran is a violent and hostile, theocratic government of Muslim radicals. Not a free Democratic Republic of peaceful inhabitants just looking to exist in the world.

"I take it basic addition, as in 2 - 2 = 0 is not your forte."

It might if your empty claims and assumptions were true, but since that has as of yet to be established, You're just wasting time and energy.