Democrats Currently Are Not - Nor Were They Ever - The Party Of "Civil Rights"

Hi, KylieFan_89 - I do not approve of what this flag historically represents. However, I don't have to go around setting symbols on fire to demonstrate my disapproval - Nor would I have the time to if I had to line up all of the symbols of things I disapprove of. e.g. Nazi flag, ISIS flag, Antifa, etc.. Not to mention. It's really pointless and immature to set things on fire just to provoke others - which in my opinion - is really what this burning of flags is all about.

Also, There are some conservatives who are unfortunately just as ignorant as Democrats on history. To conservatives who don't know history, this flag is a symbol of Southern pride not racism. Southern pride as in Southern culture e.g. Gravy and biscuits, barbecued chicken, peach cobbler, grits, guns, Dukes of Hazzard, Whisky etc..

Burning flags can be just a provocation, sure — But: in this case it’s a direct response to the fact that you, OP, compared Democrats to the KKK and in order to remove any doubt about where I stand as a Democrat, I felt forced to reacc with a similarly eye-catching symbol of anti-racism. Your meme tossed the first stone in my opinion

And I burned a rebel flag a couple weeks ago after seeing a few of them down in Tennessee on a road trip — similar thing. It’s a reacc. I’m not looking for trouble. But if right-wing folks are going to shove these symbols in my face I’m going to do my best to purge them.

There is a lot going on in this meme — too much to really fully flesh out now — but I just can’t get over the fact that you’d overlay your points atop a KKK rally.

I just really think you need to talk with some Democrats about what they actually believe

“Burning flags can be just a provocation, sure”

It just about always is. It's infantile immaturity and what barbarians do. Hence ISIS destroying the historical monuments and symbols of any culture they invade. A basic history lesson would teach you this.

“But: in this case it’s a direct response to the fact that you, OP, compared Democrats to the KKK”

I didn't compare Democrats to the KKK – they were, in fact, the KKK and founded it. This is a historical fact. The KKK was Democrats response to Republicans freeing the slaves at the beginning of the reconstruction era.

The only reason they didn't continue it is because civil rights acts and laws by Republicans put a stop to it. They also found it more benefiting to their political cause to buy black votes rather than benefit from them as slaves. The industrial revolution also played a part in this. I created a meme with a quote by former president LBJ to demonstrate this yesterday, but imageflip refused to post it.

“and in order to remove any doubt about where I stand as a Democrat, I felt forced to reacc with a similarly eye-catching symbol of anti-racism.”

Which is a absolutely ridiculous & immature means of doing that. It's the kind of thing barbarians and infantile children do – not grown adults. Consequently, that would describe most Democrat policies – facilitating the behavior of adult children who refuse to take responsibility for themselves and the past of the ideological group they identify with.

“Your meme tossed the first stone in my opinion”

My meme documents historical facts. If that's your idea of throwing down a gantlet – you probably have succumbed to the victimhood culture the meme denotes.

“And I burned a rebel flag a couple weeks ago after seeing a few of them down in Tennessee on a road trip”

Considering it's a clear symbol of Democrats racist past – I can see why you'd do that.

“similar thing. It’s a reacc. I’m not looking for trouble.”

You in fact are, but don't appear to hold the capacity to see that. Problem is, you can't see that it indicts your own party, because they've been trying for years now to wipe out evidence of their racist history. This is what they wanting to remove civil rights monuments is all about.

“But if right-wing folks are going to shove these symbols in my face I’m going to do my best to purge them.”

I don't know why you should lament this – it was your party who flew these flags and what they represent. This is a historical fact.

So you are allowed to use KKK imagery to Slime and distort contemporary Democratic attitudes, but it is a “provocation” for me to burn a flag that no one even really believes in anymore to define my own beliefs.

Okay then.

By the way Republicans are almost always the ones flying rebel flags these days.

Yes, he is allowed. As much as you want to police people here, we all are allowed to post anything that we want that doesn't break Tos

Yeah I didn’t flag it. And I don’t flag anything except death threats

I haven’t advocated anywhere here that he doesn’t have the right to post this hot garbage

You are smart enough to know what I meant by “allowed.” I swear half the time you’re just playing pedantic word games

I'm just trying to point out your 'problematic' lefty words. Maybe you don't realize it. Sorry, you threw the gauntlet down, but I'll refrain from going overboard.

A literal KKK rally and burning cross in the OP meme and you are picking on me for “allowed”

You are smart but tremendously biased

You're the one making memes about other memes and pontificating and lecturing. That's fine but you should expect some push back.

I just told you that I'd cool it. How am I biased? Well, I'm biased to the right, as you are to the left. Is that what you meant? And I'm not trying to pick on you, you just post alot. Peace

Memes about memes are called reaccs and conservative ImgFlippers do it all the time

What you call pontificating and lecturing I call debate

I expect and welcome the pushback and you should equally expect pushback on the pushback

That is all. Peace

"So you are allowed to use KKK imagery to Slime and distort contemporary Democratic attitudes, but it is a “provocation” for me to burn a flag that no one even really believes in anymore to define my own beliefs."

The question can not be answered without your false assumption first being unpacked. The facts included in this meme in no way, shape, or form "distort" modern, Democrat, attitudes regarding blacks.

Only now, the Democrats have traded in the KKK, lynching mobs, and slavery for Planned Parenthood, Abortion, and the material benefits of blacks voting for them. Again, I tried to post another meme at the same time I did this one to make that case, but imageflip refused to post it. I suspect because it included a quote by former Democrat President, LBJ. which included the use of the word " N i g g e r "

When LBJ appointed black Judge, Thurogood Johnson to the courts, He was quoted as saying - and even liberal sources will acknowledge this as true

" Son, when I appoint a n.i.g.g.e.r to the court, I want everyone to know he's a n.i.g.g.e.r "

The Democrats realized their days of the KKK and lynching mobs were coming to an end, & started to reshift their focus to locking up the black vote. This quote - among many other evidences - is clear evidence of that.

"Okay then."

Okay then what? Your entire position was based on a strawman. When you understand the history of the ideological-political group you identify with - you'll understand.

You very well may not support what the Klan does - nor many who support the Democrats, but this is in fact their racist past and it continues into the present - only now under a new, more beneficial method to benefit their political cause.

"By the way Republicans are almost always the ones flying rebel flags these days."

I already explained why this is. Did you even consider it? Or did you just gloss right over it in a knee jerk emotional reaction.?

^ You mean this quote?

The KKK was not founded by Democrats, was not an arm of them, was not funded by them, did not operate under orders from them, nor do anything else you have not offered documentation of because you can't.

The KKK was founded by former Confederates. No party affiliation required with their membership, as many a Republican member (their majority nowadays) can testify.

The Voting & Civil Rights acts were PASSED by a Democrat majority. But you know that already, hence you not posting the vote tallies.

The KKK still exists, just has been effectively neutered by law suits lead by the Southern Poverty Law Center. Can't do much without money, turns out.
It was NOT "stopped" by Repub votes, not by buying black votes - whatever that means.

"THEY CONTINUE TO ATTACK OUR CONSTITUTION, KEEP RACISM ALIVE,"

How, or is that referring to Trump?

"KEEP ... BLACKS ON THEIR MODERN, LIBERAL, PLANTATIONS.NOW IN THE FORM OF INNER CITY GHETTOS"

They grow cotton in them ghettos? Awesome.

"WOKE CULTURE VICTIMHOOD"

Oh, no, Emimenema, you did not just say that. Save the cringe for another day, homestyle stuff. Embarrassing.

"GENOCIDE THROUGH ABORTION"

Because abortion is also party AND race exclusive? Cool.

"AFFIRMATIVE ACTION"

Yeah, keep darkie in his place, yo.

"SOCIAL PROGRAM HANDOUTS FOR VOTING FOR THEM."

I keep asking the 'you guys,' but ain't any y'all explained dafuq that means.
Do explain.

“^ You mean this quote?”

No, I mean this one. Your quote actually argues in favor of the case I'm about to make.

“The KKK was not founded by Democrats, was not an arm of them, was not funded by them, did not operate under orders from them, nor do anything else”

It in fact was – and I can argue that unequivocally. As the conversation progresses I'll do exactly that.

“you have not offered documentation of because you can't “

This is what's known in logic as an appeal to motive fallacy. I haven't offered documentation of this yet because this is a meme – not a peer-reviewed paper - and it's not come to that yet. What this meme claims are historical facts.

“The KKK was founded by former Confederates.”

Most of whom were racist Dixiecrats.

“No party affiliation required with their membership,”

Which is a separate issue from the fact that most were Democrats and that these Democrats, in fact, founded the KKK.

“as many a Republican member (their majority nowadays) can testify.”

They can't testify of squat regarding this, because this is nothing but an empty claim rooted in liberal, echo-chambers, alone.

“The Voting & Civil Rights acts were PASSED by a Democrat majority. But you know that already, hence you not posting the vote tallies.”

That's good to know - Problem is, that's not the argument being made - and I didn't post vote tallies because this is a meme, not a doctoral dissertation, nor the point being argued. So you're responding based on a strawman version of my argument – not my actual argument.

While civil rights received majority support by both parties, a greater percentage of the GOP voted in favor of the bills. Throughout the 1950s & ’60s, the GOP was generally more unified than Democrats in support of civil rights, as many Southern Democrats voted in opposition.

The Majority of those in opposition were Democrats. Democrats staged the longest filibuster of the 1964 civil rights act in the history of legislation, up till that point. However, Democrats finally realized they needed to shift their focus from slavery to locking up the black vote. Powerful racist Dixiecrats like former president LBJ were highly influential in causing this shift to occur.

“The KKK still exists, just has been effectively neutered by law suits lead by the Southern Poverty Law Center.Can't do much without money, turns out.“

No one takes the KKK seriously – except intellectually dishonest Democrats trying to align it with the GOP. The Southern Poverty Law Center is itself an ideological hate group that needs their tax-exempt status pulled. It's not an issue of money – it's an issue of the Southern Poverty law center losing support because of their radical, anti Constitution, positions. They need to be investigated.

“It was NOT "stopped" by Repub votes, not by buying black votes - whatever that means.”

It, in fact, was stopped by the GOP. The GOP was started as the Whig party – which was an anti-slavery party. Abraham Lincoln was the first Republican who signed the emancipation proclamation. Only a historical ignoramus would deny this.

“How, or is that referring to Trump?”

Did you even read the meme? They are attacking the 1st, 2nd, and 12th amendments.

“They grow cotton in them ghettos? Awesome.”

Not anymore. Democrats learned they could better benefit from blacks by buying their votes with handouts. Your meme and my meme – among many other historical facts – demonstrates this. I could write pages on this if I had the room.

“Oh, no, Emimenema, you did not just say that. Save the cringe for another day, homestyle stuff. Embarrassing.”

Yes, woke culture. Democrats have brainwashed their constituents into a work culture mentality so that everything is viewed through a racist lens. The most tragic part about this is - they're the racists they've convinced their electorate that everyone else is.

“Because abortion is also party AND race exclusive? Cool.”

It in fact is. Abortion is the number one killer of blacks in the USA. Proportionally, poor blacks have abortions at a much higher rate than whites. Margret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, was openly racist against blacks and supported eugenics. Democrats have established abortion in their party platform as a no-compromise issue.

“Yeah, keep darkie in his place, yo.”

Opposing Democrats giving people points on civil service exams based on sex and race is racist? According to what twisted line of reasoning? Affirmative action is a form of reparations. If we're going to start this - Most of those in the history of the world who were slaves were white. Where are our reparations?

This gets repetitious?

The KKK still exists STILL, thanks to a Right Wing Conservatives GOPers, recently pumped by its Alt Right gang of the stunningly sexy manly man Putin's fanboys.
It has been neutered by SPLC lawsuits which gutted its money holdings STILL, hence your ire towards that org.

"Abraham Lincoln was the first Republican who signed the emancipation proclamation. Only a historical ignoramus would deny this."

Abraham Lincoln was NOT the first Republican who signed the Emancipation Proclamation. Only a lying historical ignoramus would have claimed it was.

The Emancipation Proclamation was never passed, the Emancipation Proclamation was ISSUED by Abraham Lincoln via Executive Order.

The Emancipation Proclamation was in effect ineffective, as there was no way of implementing or enforcing it on a breakaway entity at war against the federal goverment it was at war with.

The Emancipation Proclamation applied only to Confederate States, NOT the four slave holding States that remained in the Union. It was a bogus thumb in the eye of the Confederates. PERIOD.

No one is attacking any Amendments, other than Trump.

What handouts are given to blacks? You can write pages? Cool, gimme one.

"Woke" - yet another term stolen by suburban whites looking for ye good ol' fashioned street cred to hide the sheer dorkiness that comes with the preppy sweaters and gym shorts because being cringey af is a thing.

The only ones given to this racist tinted glasses thingy are the ones exploiting it because, well, you are racist and like doing things like that because you're racist.

Pretty sure the number one killed by abortions is aborted babies.
The number one group in terms of sheer numbers of getting abortions is whites.

Pretty illogical to whine about darkie getting handouts and jobs that should go to whites instead then complain about their reproduction rates getting curtailed.

Pick a line of logic and stick with it. Here's one that fits since abortion shall be legal till the veg heads realize people are people too:
Abortion kills babies.
It kills babies that are unwanted.
Those babies that are unwanted live unwanted lives if they live.
Unwanted rejects often acquire unwanted behaviors.
These unwanted behaviors include drug aduse, various forms of criminality and unsavory behavior including giving birth to more unwanted rejects that increase the unwanted behviors they acquire exponentially. That's why abortion has lowered crime rates significantly ...

3 of 3. “I keep asking the 'you guys,' but ain't any y'all explained dafuq that means.
Do explain. “

My two memes and your meme explain it perfectly. Most of those in poverty are disproportionately, blacks in inner-city ghettos which have been run by Democrats and their policies - which claim to lift blacks out of poverty - for decades.

2/3 of our Federal budget is currently consumed by Social programs going broke that Democrats started – most under LBJ in the 60s. These were referenced as “ Great Society “ programs. If it was the intent of these programs to make societies and minorities “ Great “ Why has that not occurred in metros full of impoverished minorities which have been controlled by Democrats for 60 or 70 yrs?

It has never been the intent of Democrats to lift blacks out of poverty, but rather to lock up their votes by giving them just enough to survive. ( See LBJ meme attached to my prior response )

Did you READ the meme that you keep referring to? What part of "lowest white man" does ya ain't be understandin, muh woke def homieboy? That siht be ill, yo, so stop yo dissin, muh niigga. KKKringe.

Most people recieving Federal assistance are 'whites' from rural Red States, AND YOU KNOW THAT. Y'all even get rent vouchers! Never heard of rent vouchers in NYC cuz there ain't any.

But ok, I'll play. Since according to you Democrats are to this day 'black' slave holding KKK, what HAS the Free-The-Negro Republicans done for their selected constituency in the last century or so?

Ahhh, we failed the test. You proved it with science. You ARE the very best person here. *bows down in admiration and minion*

Because its a symbol of state power and individual rights.

you mean they did that back when democrats were right wing conservatives? Funny how the pattern seems to follow the ideology not the party.

Go ahead. Give me the evidence or argument that Democrats were "right wing conservatives" or of the notorious " Party Switch" progressives often talk about and claim, but can never offer an argument for.

Also, You're right, The pattern does follow the ideology. Democrats were racists then and they're racists today. Past and recent history makes this blatantly clear.

https://www.livescience.com/34241-democratic-republican-parties-switch-platforms.html

I read this the last time a "Progressive" posted this nonsense but just read it again to be sure it was the same article they were making a false deduction from. This article actually argues in favor of my position.

For starters. Eric Rauchway, professor of American history at the University of California, is a notorious liberal professor from a notoriously left-leaning college. He offers zero evidence of the parties having " Switch sides " he just offers an empty, theoretical claim that they did so because of social reforms and expanded government powers by a singular candidate.

There is zero evidence of the parties having "Switched sides " in this article. it just gives an explanation as to why black voters shifted from voting largely for Republicans to Democrats - which is a false claim with zero citations or arguments to back it up.

Blacks having switched voting from Republicans to Democrats had everything to do with "New Deal Benefits " that occurred in the 30s and 40s under FDR, and zero to do with civil rights which occurred 30 yrs later in the 60s. This is not my opinion, but a fact.

I asked for evidence of a party switch and you randomly searched the net for an article that confirms your bias without actually reading the article. This called is intellectual dishonesty.

If you're going to give evidence of a so-called " party switch" You need to answer two questions.

1. If it's true Republicans are racists and blacks switched to Democrats on that basis. Why is it that blacks started voting largely for Democrats in the 30s and 40s as a result of " New Deal benefits " and not during the 60s under civil rights legislation"

2. Second. Where is the direct evidence of large swaths of racist Dixiecrats having switched to the Republican party, and likewise, Republicans to the Democrat party?

I look forward with enthusiasm to your reply.

Dinesh D'Souza Debunks the Myth of the "Switch" between Republicans and Democrat Party

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol7OMGBDMao&t=303s

Yes yes I know everything contradicts what you believe is fake news. Keep hidding in your safe space my friend

This is what's known in logic as an appeal to motive fallacy. It does nothing to diminish my position nor bolster yours. The article gets some things right, but the primary point you were tryng to argue, it gets wrong. Appealing to my motive makes this no less true.