crooks

exactly

yes

They can pay taxes without a SS number, by getting a TIN from the IRS. https://www.irs.gov/individuals/individual-taxpayer-identification-number

It's not like he made up the headline:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2016/04/13/irs-admits-it-encourages-illegals-to-steal-social-security-numbers-for-taxes/#4ab18ccc4c04

I didn't say that it was made up, I said there is a legal option that should be pushed instead,

Fake News!
Here's the actual transcript: https://www.finance.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/24730.pdf

Then senator from Indiana Dan Coats asked then commissioner koskinen if the IRS was encouraging "illegals" to steal SSN's. Koskinen never said that was happening. Here are his exact words:

Commissioner Koskinen: The question is whether the Social Security number they are using to get the job has been stolen, though it is not the normal identity theft situation. We did run a pilot, and we are looking at — and I appreciated your discussions about this — whether there is a way we could simply advise people.

A lot of times, those Social Security numbers are, in fact, borrowed from friends or acquaintances and people know they have been used.

So...no. The IRS was not encouraging people to steal ssn's. They were aware that some undocumented workers were using borrowed SSN's to pay taxes. rather than an ITN.

That's not the part that the story is about, it is the lack of a method to notify someone when their SSN is used when it comes up and being passed off as another departments job.

A lack of a means to notify someone their SSN is being used to pay taxes for income they have not earned is still not encouraging undocumented immigrants to steal identities.

Except covering for a crime by keeping their mouths shut.

Thank you, beat me to it.

Yep. To the tune of $7 billion a year.

I don't get it. Their kids don't get schooling?

https://www.fairus.org/issue/publications-resources/fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-united-states-taxpayers

Estimated to cost 116 billion in 2017.

If they really wanted to help slow or stop illegals they would arrest the ones giving them jobs. Once the incentive to come here is gone, it will slow down dramatically.

Do you think this encourages them? Not that I don't agree with what you said.

https://www.dailynews.com/2019/06/16/healthcare-tax-for-citizens-free-healthcare-for-noncitizens/

If that happened, our food production system would grind to a halt and we would all starve to death within a week. Who do you think harvests the food?

When I was in college, I worked overnights at a Target.

Target hires a lot of undocumented people for the overnight stock teams.

it was really obvious who they were. They didn't speak a word of english and they busted their asses at the job. These men and women worked really hard.

I asked the HR rep why they hired them and she said that the fines they faced from the Government- if they were caught at all- were so minuscule that it was just factored into the stores annual budget because the work actually got done and they could under pay them.

Without them, the stores would have to hire twice as many part timer college kids like me and it would be too expensive and the work might not get completed every night (turn over is very high at overnight stocking jobs).

So that's why business hire people they know are undocumented. It's cheaper and the work actually gets done.

Our whole system grinds to a halt without them.

And here's the kicker- the US Government knows that. That's why the consequences are practically nill for hiring the undocumented.

It wouldn’t grind to a halt, but the price for food would increase since businesses wouldn’t be able to get away with exploiting these people. And Americans who don’t want to do those jobs would suddenly find motivation to do them so they can afford to put food on the table.

Fun story. Georgia in 2011 enacted this harsh immigration law. They reduced the number of undocumented workers by massive numbers.

And it turns out somewhere very close to 50% of the people who did the farm work- specifically, harvesting the food.

That year despite high unemployment in the state, there was a massive worker shortage for the harvest.

A lot of the food was left rotting in the fields because there weren't enough people to go pick them.

The Georgia agriculture industry suffered a $140 million dollar loss that year.

They got rid of the law asap. 2012 rolled around...and the problem went away.

I get it but that's the REAL solution. THEY HAVE TO PAY AMERICANS MORE.

They won't because of the persistent "common sense" myth that wages and inflation are connected. As in "If I have to pay my workers more, I'll have to charge more so that means YOU will be paying more..."

That's actually not true, it's actually inverse. According to the Labor Dept. wages in the US flatlined in 1978. You make about 4% more than you would have made doing the same job in 1978.

That's not including inflation. You literally get paid about 4% more than what you would have been paid in 1978.

So, your 1978 wage with modern inflation your buying power is drastically reduced, which means you purchase less.

In turn, that means to maintain their profits and income, businesses have to charge MORE because their goods or services are being purchased less often. Instead of selling 1,000 tv's at $100 they can only sell 100 TV so they have to charge $1000.

So, if you want American workers to be paid more- either elect representatives that will mandate it from the top down or join a union to force the business to pay more from the ground up.

Your choice.

You sound like Nick Hanauer. I like it!