Huh?

The top image is simply an unfertilized egg. Not relevant here. Were it fertilized it would, in fact be a chicken. (You don’t grasp biology clearly). A human egg and sperm separately are not life. Once conception occurs, it’s human life. Not yet a child per se, but still 100% human life, just an early stage. So abortion clearly is murder of human life, end of discussion.

There is a long waiting list of people wanting to adopt a newborn child.

Nice try though.

Yep, all those living, breathing children who weren't slaughtered in their mother's womb who actually have a chance at life. How horrible.

And none of them are newborns. If you think abortion reduces the number of children in orphanages and foster care, your kidding yourself.

Why would, or should, we be responsible for someone else's child?

It's a woman's right to kill her child?

Oh yeah, it's just a fetus, right? So that makes it okay.

no you are taking her choice to have a child or not away. its not a kid yet. period. thats why you guys use doctored photos and fake nonsense. Freaking dark ages all over again.

You guys? I'm not using any doctored photos. And yes, they are human, not just cells that can be terminated at will. I've never seen so many baby killers fight so hard to kill babies. It's sickening.

Cute meme, nice deflection.

Gee, maybe they should be given the right to kill their living children too. Then nobody has to take care of them if times get tough for the mother.
You’re grasping at straws trying to rationalize killing unborn children.

You are grasping at straws calling them children. Besides what do you God fearing folks care? They are all going to heaven then right?

Why do you godless folk care about people’s rights? What we do while we’re alive won’t matter when we die, right? So why does it matter what side of the va**na a developing human is on when it’s life is terminated?

That’s how ridiculous your argument sounds.

For a person that wasn't born. Adam was created as an adult.

No, He did not. You were already corrected on that error.

Psalms 139:13 (NKJV)
For You formed my inward parts;
You covered me in my mother’s womb.

Yeah watever.

But is human life.

Fungus are genetically more related to Humans than Trees. Is killing them also immoral?

But they aren’t human, so irrelevant

Uh hub

Fungi aren’t human, so your point is irrelevant.

sure

Lol. Thanks for admitting you lost that argument. Since of course you did.

ok

And thus is murder, as you’ve already been shown repeatedly.

See how they use the "legally" argument when it's about abortion, but they use their supposed "morality" argument about anything else?

So make all murder legal and stop worrying about it - unless it’s you, and then you have nothing to worry about.

Abortion ends the life of a human, so by definition it is murder, and since murder is immoral and illegal, abortion should be immoral and illegal.

'Is capital punishment murder? Is killing in wartime murder?'
In my opinion yes. Both of the examples you gave me are acts of murder.

I think it's futile to argue that point. Currently it's not murder if it's permitted but if it changes in a month, would you accept that it's now legally and 'morally' wrong because it's law?

Fact is, it’s legalized murder. By pure definition. Not colloquial. You’ve been disproven on this countless times now.

Capital punishment and war is killing. Not murder, as abortion is murder. Just legalized.

Fact is abortion is legal.
Fact is abortion by true definition is murder.

Fact is abortion is legal murder.

Thems the fact. Indisputable.

"Abortion is legal. Murder is illegal. Therefore, abortion is not murder. You can say it's wrong, you can say it's horrible, you can say you despise it, you can say all of that. But it isn't murder."

Well then, I guess people should stop calling it murder when talking about all the black people who were lynched before the civil war (and after, in some areas), or when talking about the killing of Native Americans during colonization.

Those things were legal, therefore they weren't murder. In fact, I should go to Scotland right now and, on any day except Sunday, shoot a Scotsman with my bow and arrow, because that is completely legal.

You’ve been shown how it is (no debate) murder. By definition. If you insist on showing your ignorance, please close your account.

Except when, of course, this nothumanthingy is killed by someone who isn't the notyetmother, then it it's murder charges.

It’s never a nothumanthingy and she’s no longer notyetamother once conception happens.

Those "words" were meant to be sarcastic.

Sure, but my comment still fully true.

No need. Not relevant

But if it is "not a person" ands thus "not murder" ....

"If I punch someone in the face, I get charged with battery. If I punch myself in the face, I don't get charged with battery. It's a similar principle. You can do things to your own body that someone else can't necessarily do."

We're not talking about a woman punching herself. We're talking about the contradiction within current law. The law that allows a woman to kill the unborn in her womb while punishing a man who tries to do the same. You can't charge one with murder while saying the other one has a right to kill the same victim, simply because she wants to.

Here's a scenario: A woman schedules an abortion for Wednesday morning. On the way to the clinic she is assaulted by a mugger and the unwanted baby dies as a result of injuries inflicted on it and the mother. The mugger is charged with murder, not assault, even though he had no knowledge of the baby.

Now, if the mugging didn't happen, the mother walks into the clinic and hires a doctor to deliberately go in and kill the unborn child. This is condoned, even though the end result is the same and the intent is deliberate, not accidental as mentioned above. That's a conundrum. The baby has value in one instance, and no value in the next. The difference between the mugger's murder and the mothers abortion is found in her choice to keep or kill the baby. Personhood is a designation left to the mother, but in all other circumstances not related to her choice, the baby is considered a person by the courts, hence the charge of murder placed on the mugger. If it wasn't considered a person, then the charge would be ludicrous.

" And the whole thing about women being too intellectually incapable to understand the issue before them is profoundly condescending. "

This comment wasn't directed to all women, but to the majority of those who are faced with this decision. Many, not all, are in no position to make a life and death decision for another being, especially if it is just for the sake of convenience, which is the vast majority of abortions. In essence, the person who has no clue what is living inside them, should not be given the authority to determine if it is a person or not. My niece had two abortions when she was a teenager based on her belief that the only thing inside her was a clump of cells. She later found out that she ended the heartbeat of her two babies, a guilt she can't shake to this day. A better education would've prevented that sadness, but PP didn't care about that.

I almost did but figured I shouldn't overkill that gag lol

I contest that. Can't be charged for punching yourself in the face, haha, nice try! Prove it :)

It also would've developed into a person had the mother not chosen to kill it. Vag is the only person to point this out, albeit indirectly. The mother is in charge of the designation of "person" thrust upon a fetus based on current law.

A man who kills a baby in the mother's womb is charged with murder, where as, the mother can do the same act, or pay someone else to do it and call it abortion. The man who kills the child in the womb should only be charged with assault and battery along with practicing medicine without a license if you want to be logically consistent on this part of the issue.

The majority of abortions are done on undereducated single women. These women have been given god-like authority to determine if their baby is an actual person who has protected rights. So, people who aren't even capable, intellectually, of understanding the issue before them, are told they can just do whatever they want. It's their choice. It's a profound conundrum we have gotten ourselves into.

In accordance to the law, that is.

That was Adam. Not born. His children were and were human at conception. #LogicWinsAgain

If it’s a fairytale, why are you referencing it in your lame comment?

Bro you just posted cringe

Have you seen a man eat his own head?

"You can do things to your own body that someone else can't necessarily do."

Except you aren't doing anything to your body and pro-life advocates aren't telling the woman what she can and cannot do with her own body. The only loser in this is the child.

INSIDE her body, not part of her body. The child is attached. the child isn't part of her body in more than it is part of a man's body. The child has as much DNA from the father as it does the mother's.

There was a child born just recently at 23 weeks and survived. Most of your people think that's just a clump of cells.

So if the same infant was inside the womb as opposed to outside, it would be okay to kill it?

"End a pregnancy" That sounds so nice and clinical!

Technically is not killing a child.
Technically IS killing a human being. Just at a pre child stage of life.

Facts.

You know, I came to the conclusion that arguing with Octavia_melody is pointless. That dude's poisoned brainwashing is so deep that no matter how much you try it just ain't gonna happen. I am trying a different angle now, which is responding with an ignoring comment which will bring down the value to his previous comments. Like a simple "yeah, whatever ". They hate that.

Yes. I play with him as a cat plays with a rat. He never makes valid points.

Ok then, it’s still killing potential targeted consumers of Disney products. That’s the irony here. It’s like a dentist closing his office in a city that stops putting fluoride in the water.

No, because fluoride prevents cavities, thus, less dental work.

Adding fluoride to water reduces the number of potential dental visits. Abortion reduces the number of potential children watching Disney movies.