Change my mind.

Caught one.

This is so far removed from reality or even fiction logic, it has the be a joke.

Obama was in HIGH SCHOOL when Al Queda was formed by RONALD REAGAN who funneled $1.5 BILLION (or was it $3.5B?) through his agent Osama bin Laden. Cowboy Ron also authorized CIA training for them, which included - get this - USING AIRPLANES AS MISSILES TO CRASH INTO BUILDINGS.

And the only thing Obama had to do with ISIL getting an assist is creating a vacuum by extirpaing Al Queda that ISIL stepped into, taking over that niche.

Even within the parameters of party hackery, this defies logic and humor.
You should be embarrassed.

What about regime change is confusing? Why do you think ISIS folded so quick after Trump took over to fight 'the jv team'?

So America funded Al Qaeda once and it's inconceivable it would happen again? I never said Obama created Al Qaeda. He just used them to fight a proxy war.

Not embarrassed in the slightest.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/world/middleeast/cia-arming-syrian-rebels.html

Here's something Obama WAS responsible for, no time machine required. The ops that were completed in 2017 began in 2014. Do you know who was not in HS then but in the WH then?

Besides, as we all know, ISIL was routed mainly by Iraqi Shitte militias and Kurdish Peshmerga working with Iranian soldiers. As in Syria also working with Kurds, Iran - NOT Russia nor the USA - is the foreign country with the most troops in Iraq and has engaged far more than our token airstrikes at 2 planes in airstrips warned to evacuate prior. The US also backs The Shiite militias and Peshmerga, THAT'S who we are arming. Same in Syria, arming resistance to ISIL (which again, arming, training, and working with fighters against ISIL is something Iran plays a heavy role in, and Iran has a mutual defense pact with Assad)

Used Al Queda for what proxy war? Obama used drones to take them out, not use them to fight anyone. What proxy war? Where? With whom?
You're confusing him with Reagan, whose intent was to use them as proxies against Soviet incursions in Afganistan and wherever they might have tried next. The only country who has since funded and used Al Queda as proxies is Saudi Arabia.

You can look this up you know.

No. Its no use. The guy has it in his head that Obama founded the NSDAP, The Soviet Union and any past present or future Terrorist organisation. Because Obama!Is!Bad! All hail the dear leader!

Piss off with your strawmen and hyperbolic garbage. I'm not a one sided partisan shill.

Under Obama, terrorist groups got their hands on US weapons. Intentional or not, THAT is a fact.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/how-america-armed-terrorists-in-syria/

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/world/middleeast/cia-syria-rebel-arm-train-trump.html

"Under Obama, terrorist groups got their hands on US weapons. Intentional or not, THAT is a fact."

True and Under Trump the same will and has happened. Its not their fault, but the fault of the Military

Well, if there is any truth to the article, they all knew what was happening in that situation. They either attempted to fix it and failed or just paid it lip service. Coming so soon after the debacle in Libya, where basically the most successful and safe and prosperous country in Africa was ruined and where slave markets now thrive, where extremist forces also got armed (through weapon caches), I'd say it's a little different of a situation. Not sure where forces that got a hold of weapons from Trump are waging a large war but I get your point.

Exactly, but in the meantime the operations to route ISIL from Iraq which began in 2014 was really just Trump 1, 2, 3 in 2017, the same guy who hasn't completed getting ISIL out of smaller Syria yet announced he was planning to withdraw months ago.

The same Obama who was planted by Trump's BFF Putin as a Communist operative and is coming to take guns from Americans one day that is not yet today so that um, uh, uhm, redncks can't go shooting empty beer cans off of fenceposts on the 4th of July while waiting for their turn to do cousin Sue May.

Arming rebels to fight ISIL? Coulda sworn he said he was arming ISIL...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RNha3nabZeI

Yeh... all your arguments go directly into the garbage. As the Canadians say: Sorry, not sorry.

I think the only notable time he armed the rebels was when he handed over seven Davy Crockets to them and then sold out their positions to ISIL so they could kill all the rebels and steal the Davy Crockets.

You can swear all you like, your lie is still a lie, much like all the other lies you post.

You've lost any possible claims to credibilty long ago.

One thing we can agree on is that you do know I don't do links, so your Q Anon fantasies for the mentally stunted are safe from mine eyes.

Lol 2 retards upvoted your 'I don't do facts' response.

I'll describe it for you. Obama says "we're training ISIL forces"

Try watching the ENTIRE video, including what he says immediately before and after that entire FOUR smidgen that is so out of sync with his lips, it makes the to-English dubbing on old Kung Fu movies look positively CGI.

In addition to Peshmerga which I had mentioned and other tribal forces (that would be Shiite), Obama also talks about recruiting moderate Sunnis to fight ISIL.

I understand the delightful echo chamber that's your anus wishes differently, but what Obama did say and did do does not match your lame attempt at revisionist fantasy. Shocking, I know.

What the news says Obama did and what Obama said he did does not match what Obama actually did.

8 years and his middle eastern conflicts only ever got worse. 4 years of Trump and we're almost out of the Middle East with 100% destruction of ISIS. It's almost like he was aiding the enemy... I have these vague recollections of military officers complaining about being told to stand down when they had the ability to destroy enemy forces. Perhaps it's just the schizophrenia...

I always thought it was funny that whenever Obama or Bush started occupying a country in the Middle East or Africa they would set up a Rothschilds controlled central bank. I bet that had nothing to do with the real motivation of the war.

THESE BE THE FACTS FOR AMNESIATIC TRUMPIES:

🔘 Obama got Osama in 2.

🔘 Obama gutted Al Queda's top brass with drone strikes, rendering the outfit nearly obsolete.

🔘 Obama did much to wrap up the endless Afgan & Iraq wars and bring troops home.

🔘 The 2017 ops to route ISIL in Iraq were planned and implemented in 2014 by Obama.

🔘 Real functioning countries ALL have central banks.

🔘 Your adorably huggable fantasies don't mean squat to reality.

Lol, if you can't keep your trolling to a paragraph or less then you're just trolling yourself.

Your as-expected stupid rebuttal is duly noted.

You call people "retards" yet you have nothing to say other than referring to 4 words in an over 8 (is it?) minute clip? A clip that contradicts your ridiculous position, of course.

I win

By laughing at it ;-)

No need to

Obama backed people who chopped off heads, nice huh?

So did colonel north with the contras

Obama BLEW THOSE PEOPLE UP with drones, something warhawk conservatives criticized as - get this - violation of their rights to due proccess and also international law, because sending in thousands of our soldiers to wage war against innocent people because of aluminum irrigation pipes is so much better.

No one is arguing that Reagan created them, just like no one is arguing that Obama didn't send out drone strikes, nor warhawk conservative hypocrisy.

Why was Israel treating wounded Al Qaeda?

https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Report-Israel-treating-al-Qaida-fighters-wounded-in-Syria-civil-war-393862

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israel-reportedly-providing-direct-aid-to-syrian-rebels-1.5485794

https://www.timesofisrael.com/ex-defense-minister-says-is-apologized-to-israel-for-november-clash/

Gee, I thought all the Arabs wanted to push Israel into the sea?

Funny how strange bedfellows come together for common goals.

Why would Israel back them? Isn't the right wing narrative that despite increasing assistance to Israel with the Iron Dome defense shield and increased funding, etc, Obama was somehow not their friend because, um, uh, Reverend Wright's Church was a secret mosque or some silly crap?

ALL Arabs live in Saudi Arabia. All the rest of those so-called Arabs were called Turks a century ago, and Romans till 1400 years ago. That's like saying all Americans are English by virtue of the language, or we (and Canada) are all one monolithic entity religiously, politically, and culturally. Arabs hate Shiitte and all Iranic people, even Kurds, who despite being majority Sunni, are not recognized as such because of their ethnicity by Sunnis, hence why ISIL persecuted them also.

That right wing narrative is not one I share. I personally think he acted harshly, in some ways, to placate the left, much of who aren't the biggest fans of Israel, but I think he was their friend. Especially in terms of working together in military strategy. Israel would back them because it's in their best interests to have strong bordering countries destabilized (They have been attacked by strong allies last century) and as Trump has indicated, they have an interest in the Golan heights.

Fair enough. I was just repeating a narrative I've heard. But I think you get my point.

Obama was like Bush Sr and Carter in being modest, counting on facts speaking for themselves.
People are like children, they like stories (to paraphrase Carol on TWD). Flashing neon goes a long way since perception always trumps reality (see what I did there?). No major PDAs with Netanyahu gets translated into a Fourth Reich in the making ops storyline for those with a vested interest.

The Golan Heights is not Israel's to have. That and all the rest of the moves intended to aggravate will unfortunately succeed in doing so, accelarating the ultimate demise of that country.

Your narrative should in the least warrant exploring, since it is an erroneous one.

Hey, trails on png's and translucent fonts are now a thing on imgflip. Go to AndrewFinlayson's to find out how.

My meme said change my mind. I have no problem adjusting my view if I am shown otherwise. I am trying to explore it. It just seems to me a way to arm unsavory people is to arm those you know will pass it on to said unsavory people. I've seen too much to blindly trust a government narrative, like our European friend here.

I'll check it out. Thank you for the civil debate / conversation.

Ron Paul had the solution, stop meddling in the affairs of other countries and stop giving them our money.
We caused all these messes, and think by tweaking them just a wee bit more we'll fianlly get things right one day.

Thank you for the same.

The same idiots who now want to go to war with Iran because they took American hostages 40 whole years ago, no less.

Surgical drone strikes against individual enemies instead of entire countries are not as profitable for the military industrial complex and their corporate subcontracters.

Obama could have discovered the key to immortality, and these knee jerk dimwads would have found a problem with that too.

Prove he didn’t pay his taxes

Here ya go, my ignorant German friend

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/world/middleeast/cia-arming-syrian-rebels.html

They were arming the Syrian 'Demicratic' Army, may I remind you the guys and gals opposing Assad and ISIS, but some weapons managed to make their way to ISIS. Thats not Obama's fault. Thats the CIA's fault for being shit at their job. In no way was supplying weapons to SDA forces funding Terrorist Organisations

Ooooooookay. I suppose that's why the single time ISIS attacked Israel, they apologized. Want to try and deny that too? Try reading the NYT article again. Look for 'plausible deniability'.

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When did this Topic move to ISIS attacking Israel?

Who's the ally of the US?

Can we get back to your accusation of Obama Funding ISIS?

So your claim is that Assad and ISIS were allies?

W-What...? How in the name of God did you get that idea? No. Now stop brining up random shit and can an we get back to this==>

"Here ya go, my ignorant German friend

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/world/middleeast/cia-arming-syrian-rebels.html"

And then my reply

"They were arming the Syrian 'Democratic' Army, may I remind you the guys and gals opposing Assad and ISIS, but some weapons managed to make their way to ISIS. Thats not Obama's fault. Thats the CIA's fault for being shit at their job. In no way was supplying weapons to SDA forces funding Terrorist Organisations"

Uhhh, you stated "the guys and gals opposing Assad and ISIS", i took that as you stating they were allies. Obviously I took that wrong, so my bad.

What's happened to the Syrian 'democratic' party? See, it's strange because Syria is actually a Republic , altho I wouldn't say there isn't some pressure, as I've heard from Syrians that have left, but they may be anti Assad and making it seem worse then it is. Having said that, Assad ran unopposed when he got in. So I don't know how bad it is. I do know Assad is smeared for 'gassing' his own citizens, which is utter garbage.

If they weren't aiding terrorists, why would they need plausible deniability? You never answered that.

"See, it's strange because Syria is actually a Republic"

Syria hasn't been a Republic since Assad's father toppled the previous Democratic government. The whole point of the Syrian Civil War was to bring down Assad, after it came to a boiling point when demonstrations turned violent and then into open revolt. Obviously the Rebels have failed, caused a massive refugee crisis and ruined their own country. Kinda bitter that the tin pot dictator still won after all the bloodshed.

"anti Assad and making it seem worse then it is"

Torture abuse and death of Civilians is common place under the Assad Regime. I think its as bad as they say. If not worse

"If they weren't aiding terrorists, why would they need plausible deniability"

Because your supporting Rebels? Why wouldn't you need Plausible deniability? International politics. Simple as that.

"I do know Assad is smeared for 'gassing' his own citizens"

He didn't do that. Mostly because he long since has run out of gas to gas people with.

They just had elections in 2016. I don't know the validity of those elections but it happened.

Then why is Assad the only secular minded leader (Comparatively speaking) in the ME and the only one to protect Christians?

Not sure if that's how that works. The involvement was no secret.

So coulda, woulda, huh? I seriously doubt that. After the spin and bs I've seen about Syria, I really wonder. Qaddafi was also villainized, and regardless of his past, he was actually really benefiting Libyans before he was killed. Education paid for, no tax, building infrastructure and more I forget.

"They just had elections in 2016. I don't know the validity of those elections but it happened."

North Korea also holds elections every 5 to 6 years. Still a Dictatorship. Just like Best Korea the elections were meaningless as elections were only held in government controlled areas and not in oppositional areas. (Meaning only districts and states who were majorly pro assad got to vote) Also slight correction the last election that I am aware of happened in 2014.

"Then why is Assad the only secular minded leader (Comparatively speaking) in the ME and the only one to protect Christians?"

What the what? Assad could care less about Christians or Jews or Muslims. He'll support and protect anyone who will help him prop up his dictatotorial Regime. Don't make this into a religous thing. Because its not. It was about putting your most vaunted theory to the test. The theory that when the government is tyrannical the people, the people stand up against it. And in this case the people have failed spectacularly

I will not discuss wether or not Syria is a Dictatorship, when the answere is a google search away and plainly obvious!

"Qaddafi was also villainized, and regardless of his past, he was actually really benefiting Libyans "

When did Qaddafi die?! I mean the guy was old, but he stepped down and I thought Lybia was having reelections?

That's why I hedged my bets on Syria having free elections. I'm not going to die on that hill.

Excuse me? Assad protected his Christian population from Muslim attacks. NOBODY disputes that. You've been brainwashed.

lol Qaddafi was KILLED in 2011 thanks to US interference, which started the migrant crisis which flooded your country. You really were unaware of that? Google it, geez.

"Excuse me? Assad protected his Christian population from Muslim attacks. NOBODY disputes that. You've been brainwashed."

Hundreds of innocent Christians seeking freedom have been tortured to death in Assad's jails or shot to death by his brutal thugs - including the activist Bassel Shehadeh, who was killed at a protest, then killed in spirit because Assad forces prevented his friends from going to church to pray for his soul. Human rights lawyer Khalil Maatouk has been detained in Assad's jails in Damascus for over four years for the "crime" of defending detainees in Assad's jails.

These anecdotes are not new and are not isolated incidents. Christians never had true freedom of religion under the Assad regime; for decades, it used a mixture of incentives and threats to tightly control Christian clergy and ensure that they were not free to speak their mind. Christians were much more free before Assad took power, when Protestant Christian Fares al-Khouri was elected prime minister of Syria in democratic elections in 1954. But under Assad, Rohrbacher might be surprised to know, Christians are legally banned from becoming the head of state.

It's a strange protector of Christians who nurtures and shelters their worst enemies against the will of the entire world. Assad did that, too - starting in 2003, his intelligence services worked closely with the terrorist fanatics who would eventually form ISIS because he wanted to prevent America from stabilizing Iraq.

The Syrian revolution began six years ago as a multi-ethnic, multi-sectarian movement, but Assad released dozens of extremists from his jails in an effort to give the revolution a more Islamist character and present the false choice between him and the radical Islamists he nurtured. According to the Treasury Department, Assad continues to buy "a great deal of oil" from ISIS constituting millions of dollars in trade. At one point, oil sales to Assad accounted for 72 percent of ISIS' income from revenues, according to documents uncovered from a U.S. Special Forces raid on ISIS Oil Minister Abu Sayyaf.

[Copy and pasted From:https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/religion/332938-dont-be-fooled-assad-is-no-friend-of-syrias-christian-minorities%3famp]

"which started the migrant crisis which flooded your country"

I'd actually say the Syrian civil war was the catalyst for the crisis. Also lol didn't know that about Gaddafi!

Btw, factless laughter doesn't change anyone's mind.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/07/25/dem_rep_tulsi_gabbard_president_trump_ended_obama_era_program_which_funded_al-qaeda_in_syria.html